My Thoughts On The Next Four Years

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

. . . I disagree here with you Strand. I definitely don;t think LArg would do that from his lengthy posting history at the Legacy

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And lastly Strand, where was all this Ant-Bush Super Pro Kerry attitude during the whole campaighn. You always seem to really to go either way, and now you seem madder then Dissention/

I tend to base all judgements on facts. Many do not and instead just blast away in a blindly partisan manner. But and in any event, I have never been an ardent Bush supporter and have been very vocal about W's lies and the horrible nature of his administration.

I think I think too much for people - who like a two second pithy soundbyte as opposed to analysis of any kind. For instance, although I voted for him twice and voted for Gore and Kerry, I think Clinton should have been impeached because he clearly and in a calculated manner used Fed. Govt. resources to obstruct justice in the cover up of his affair and I could care a less about his affair. Well, that point of view infuriates D's to no length because they cannot ever allow anything bad to be said about Clinton - ever. Same for the war in Iraq. I think after 9/11 and even though SH had nothing to do with 9/11, W was correct to pursue the threat of SH having WMD - the possibility was too great to risk. Where I object to W is when he lied about the nukes and the links between SH and OBL to sell a war he otherwise could not sell (Powell's speech to the UN was ineffective). People see that as me supporting W, which I am not. I think his lying to go to war, our getting there without a plan to win the peace, and the US having no exit strategy are horrible. Yet, D's see me as giving W credit and that can never happen with this scorched earth policy.

In the end - I just do not tow that or any other party line when the facts do not support it. Thus, I think people percieve me as flip flopping But, I re-read a bunch of my poltical posts earlier and I have not been pro Bush and anti-Kerry. I hope that helps.

And - Adam R. - I apologize if I miscontrued your intent.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by larg

All I can say is, I hope all of the Democrats on here can get over their losing this time faster than they did last time (So basically, any time withing the next four years) because it's really tiring listening to you all complain about how your candidate lost and shouldn't have and how Bush is so terrible. It gets old. Open your eyes and look at some of the things that he's done that AREN'T so bad...

Sorry, but that is a lot to ask. Bush is NOT my president and will NEVER have my support. Period.

Although maybe being a Mainer I'm ignorant, so please fill me in; why do you believe it's less likely to ever see such a law now with Bush? Wasn't Kerry ALSO against same-sex marriages? Forgive me for being confused.

Consitutional Amendment banning gay marriages ring a bell? At least with Kerry we had some hope. With Bush in power, there is NO chance.

Thank you all for taking the time to listen to me, and any rude comments made by people who say I'm dumb or ignorant, expect a letter from me personally trying to prove other wise. If there's one thing I hate, its people who think they are better than someone else simply because they have a different opinion.

I totally agree with you on that. And found your post to be very thoughtful.

God bless you all and the beautiful country we live in that TRULY gives US the choice to make these decisions.
Do you think Sadam or Bin Laden were elected by the people?

Technically, neither was Bush the first time.

In all honesty, I think the problem with this country is religion (and you know the one I'm talking about.) Check this out.

Moony

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

there we will be Diss, Goldie, and Strand marching on Wash. and Strand says "ya know I really agree with the D candidate on principle, but he misused a verb tense in the third paragraph and I think that means . . . " After which the march is temporarily halted as Diss is seen strangling Strand as Goldie hit him on the head with her handbag

Film at 11. Look for the crawl on CNN.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

but I support the USA. I respect the decision that was made. He won, fair and square (for once!)

Not too sure about that. We'll see. I support the United States as well.

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

We DO need unity.
Chris

You do your thing and I'll do mine. Mine is to see that I can help in any way possible from him doing any further damage to this country.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by larg

All I can say is, I hope all of the Democrats on here can get over their losing this time faster than they did last time (So basically, any time withing the next four years) because it's really tiring listening to you all complain about how your candidate lost and shouldn't have and how Bush is so terrible. It gets old. Open your eyes and look at some of the things that he's done that AREN'T so bad... Not that I'm saying the man is a genius or anything, and I agree he hasn't been the best President; but he has a very hard job, one I wouldn't want, and I think that he's done the best that any mortal human being can do. Maybe John Kerry WOULD be a better president... we have no way of knowing now. I'm just asking that all of you, rather than miserably "suffering" through the next four years, try to look at Bush in a more positive light. He's done some pretty good things; he took an evil dictator out of power (even if it was for his own, selfish and bad reasons. Read some things by the philosopher Hallie some day and you'll begin to understand that sometimes we have to look at the product, not the means, to judge a person), he's helped make it more difficult for women to use abortion to EXCESSION (that is, he's prevented women from having more than one or two abortions-- I know at least two people who have had in the abortions DOUBLE DIGIT numbers, and this prevents them from that ability; they now have children, yes, but they also regret their past ways because of having children and the abortions becomming difficult. Not to mention they both have various internal problems that are excrutiatingly painful due to abortions), and he's created programs that make it possible for me, a 3rd class 18 year old white male who was a straight A student through high school go to a good college and NOT be paying out of my ears for the rest of my life. I respect the things he's done. If you democrats can ignore Clinton's oral sex affair AND his lying to the country, why can't you look past the couple of flaws our President has? Besides, don't you think we could get more allies in this war we're in if people in other countries saw that we SUPPORT our president?
Please take time to consider what I've said, because I've tried to be polite and intelligent about this all, and its stuff I've been wanting to say for quite some time. I've dealt with all the democrat stuff here with a pinch of salt, the anti-Bush remarks that are undying, the sometimes crude and offensive images that tag posts, and the sometimes ignorant things people say here. I don't see how you all think you are so great, when you daily call republicans stupid, greedy and any other list of mean names. Seems to me sometimes like you are a bunch of kindergarteners who need depserately to grow up.
Finally, I wish to thank all of you who DO act respectively in all of this pish posh. It's refreshing to see that there are people in the world who can accept my views and my right to my opinions, even if they disagree. I can accept yours. Maybe you should try my method sometime; you'll find yourself surrounded by more friends because of it, as well as in some very interesting conversations that in the past were either one sided or formed as crude attacks.
One final thing, even though I am republican, I admit, I AM pro-same-sex marriage. It IS about love, after all, although I do agree it would be a type of desecration to the Christian religion to have Christian same-sex marriages, although I see no reason why two lovers cannot wed technically and have it acknowledged by our country. So my heart does go out to all of you who feel you have lost hope. Although maybe being a Mainer I'm ignorant, so please fill me in; why do you believe it's less likely to ever see such a law now with Bush? Wasn't Kerry ALSO against same-sex marriages? Forgive me for being confused.
Thank you all for taking the time to listen to me, and any rude comments made by people who say I'm dumb or ignorant, expect a letter from me personally trying to prove other wise. If there's one thing I hate, its people who think they are better than someone else simply because they have a different opinion.
God bless you all and the beautiful country we live in that TRULY gives US the choice to make these decisions.
Do you think Sadam or Bin Laden were elected by the people?
That's what makes this country fantastic.
Please don't forget that.


Adam R.

Meh. Go drink your Kool Aid.
EDITED TO ADD: Saddam Hussein was elected. Go take some of that college money Bush gave you and study it. Don't even think about trying to write or pm me an unsolicited letter.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Are you suggesting we send Monica to the whiote house to stir things up for Bush

Too drunk/high/Valley Of The Dolls to...well, you know.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by blinker12

Right. And more than just fighting *against* Bush, we must continue to fight *for* what we believe.

Amen. I don't care what the giggling murderer said today, I'm not about to forgo my principles and start acting like some flag waving automatron.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

Oh--and one more thing--I'm not going to "get over it". And I know before the next four years end, you'll be the one doing the complaining when you see what this president's right-wing, extremist agenda will do to further tear this country down and further apart.

Preach it!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

The assessment of the ballots in all of Florida clearly indicate W lost Florida last time, no matter how Gore chose to wage the struggle there. So, you are wrong on this point - if you know better - let's see the proof.

I am stunned you just typed that.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Lux

This isn't like losing a football match and being a poor-sport. People shouldn't get over it. It would be worse if at the end everyone just said a big "oh well" and sat around sharing a drink and an anecdote or two. Because of who has been elected people will unnecessarily continue to suffer in relative silence. Grave injustices and violations will be commited against people and for this I don't care if people want to resolve their differences of opinion. It goes much further than simply 'getting over it' when the people have chosen to endorse outrageous violations against their fellow human beings. Why should it be so calmly accepted and resolved in a friendly matter when what we are talking about is the giving of permission for the gravest of crimes against man?


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Thank you for saying so eloquently what I no longer have the patience to today.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Moony

In all honesty, I think the problem with this country is religion
Moony

Bingo! Tell the man what he's won Bob.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Amen. I don't care what the giggling murderer said today, I'm not about to forgo my principles and start acting like some flag waving automatron.

Ouch. I hope that's not what I sounded like in my initial post ("a flag waving automaton").

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Ouch. I hope that's not what I sounded like in my initial post ("a flag waving automaton").

That was not directed at you. It was directed at "Get over it."

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That was not directed at you. It was directed at "Get over it."

I'm being an overly-sensitive dork tonight, so I was worried.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'm being an overly-sensitive dork tonight, so I was worried.

Oh no, no, no. We're all a little bruised here from the last 24 hours. I'm still pissed off, can you tell? I don't even want to think about when dissention shows up.
I also think that there are a core group here who discuss politics and if others don't want to read our posts then they can always make use of the ignore function or hide any threads started by us entirely.