Anyone seen photos of Shotgun Express?

sharksfan2000 · #1 10-17-2004, 10:15 PM

Just wondering, since I've never seen a photo of Shotgun Express, and it seems like they would have been enough of a "name" band that there would be some photos around somewhere. It would be cool to see a photo of Peter Green and Rod Stewart together in the band. (Actually a Google search turned up a few photos, but none with Green in them - either they were taken after he left the band, or he was just not well-known enough at that time to be included in those photos.)

wetcamelfood · #2 10-18-2004, 09:25 PM

Yeah, PG left SE before they recorded those 4 tracks so it's unlikely many if any pics exist w/all of them together. I have the UK 1983 Charley 10" 45 EP with the four songs and there's just a B&W pic of Rod, Peter Bardens & Beryl Marsden on it.

John

Villavic · #3 10-20-2004, 01:05 PM

I have a pic of them from the Rod Stewart Storyteller boxset. I'm sure Mick doesn't appear, but not sure about Peter. It's Rod ith 3 people. Let me check tonight at home.

Villavic · #4 10-21-2004, 10:23 AM

No, PG is not there. Just Peter Bardens and a girl.

sharksfan2000 · #5 10-21-2004, 10:58 AM

That's all I've seen on the web - photos showing Rod Stewart, Peter Bardens, and Beryl Marsden. I suppose that since the band didn't record / release anything before Peter Green left, they may not have done any promo photos until after he was gone.

dansven · #6 07-12-2005, 06:51 AM

Shotgun Express recorded two singles, didn't they?

"I Could Feel The Whole World Turn 'Round Underneath Me" / "Curtains" and "Funny 'Cos Neither Could I" / "Indian Thing"

I have a Rod Stewart limited box called "1964 - 1969" (see the attached photo). It contains 2 CDs of music and a third CD with photos of Rod...

The sleeve notes says that these are all of Rod's recordings from this era (including some demos), with the exception of his work with the Jeff Beck group.
The box was released in 2000 and has lots of info and photos, but the Shotgun Express photos do not feature Peter Green...

The only track from Shotgun Express is "I Could Feel...", so I assume the other songs they recorded featured were instrumentals and/or featured Beryl Marsden as the lead singer..

The sleeve notes say that the "I Could Feel..." single featured Peter Green on guitar, but that he had left to join Mayall before it was RELEASED..?

John Moorshead then took over for Peter, and later Phil Sawyer.

Here is the info for "I Could Feel...":
Single. A-side for Columbia DB 8025
Release Date: 21 October 1966
Vocals: Rod Stewart/Beryl Marsden
Guitar: Peter Green
Bass: Dave Ambrose
Drums: Mick Fleetwood
Keyboards: Peter Bardens
Produced by: Tony Palmer

So maybe Peter did play on that single after all? I don't know. Though I'm pretty sure he did not play on thir second single!!

Furthermore the box includes "Stone Crazy" (with Peter on guitar), which to my knowledge is only officially available on the LP called something like "History Of The British Blues".

Daniel

wetcamelfood · #7 07-12-2005, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansven

Shotgun Express recorded two singles, didn't they?

"I Could Feel The Whole World Turn 'Round Underneath Me" / "Curtains" and "Funny 'Cos Neither Could I" / "Indian Thing"

I have a Rod Stewart limited box called "1964 - 1969" (see the attached photo). It contains 2 CDs of music and a third CD with photos of Rod...

The sleeve notes says that these are all of Rod's recordings from this era (including some demos), with the exception of his work with the Jeff Beck group.
The box was released in 2000 and has lots of info and photos, but the Shotgun Express photos do not feature Peter Green...

The only track from Shotgun Express is "I Could Feel...", so I assume the other songs they recorded featured were instrumentals and/or featured Beryl Marsden as the lead singer..

The sleeve notes say that the "I Could Feel..." single featured Peter Green on guitar, but that he had left to join Mayall before it was RELEASED..?

John Moorshead then took over for Peter, and later Phil Sawyer.

Here is the info for "I Could Feel...":
Single. A-side for Columbia DB 8025
Release Date: 21 October 1966
Vocals: Rod Stewart/Beryl Marsden
Guitar: Peter Green
Bass: Dave Ambrose
Drums: Mick Fleetwood
Keyboards: Peter Bardens
Produced by: Tony Palmer

So maybe Peter did play on that single after all? I don't know. Though I'm pretty sure he did not play on thir second single!!

Furthermore the box includes "Stone Crazy" (with Peter on guitar), which to my knowledge is only officially available on the LP called something like "History Of The British Blues".

Daniel

The notes on the Charly 10" 45 I have state that PG left SE before either single was recorded and that John Morsehead played guitar on both singles. Yeah, ICFTWWTR is the only track with Rod, "Curtains" & IT were instrumentals & the vocals on FCNCI are sung by Beryl & Peter Bardens. I did get that Rod comp in 2000 in the hopes of upgrading SC & ICFTWWTR to CD quality but is sounds to me as if they mastered them from vinyl (& the vinyl copies I have are in better shape than the ones they used (it sounds like to me anyways, though they must've used a stereo ICFTWWTR which was nice to hear since the Charley issue I have was mono), so I traded it in.

Mick plays on both singles though. Hope this helps.

John

dansven · #8 07-12-2005, 10:26 AM

Thanks a lot, John!

I suppose the sleeve notes on the Rod Stewart box could be wrong.. After all the personell on "Stone Crazy" is completely wrong!

Daniel

chiliD · #9 07-12-2005, 01:11 PM

From what I recall, the personnel of "Stone Crazy" was:

Vocals: Rod Stewart
Guitar: Peter Green
Bass: Jack Bruce
Drums: Aynsley Dunbar

Confirmation? Anyone? Bueller?

BklynBlue · #10 07-12-2005, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD

From what I recall, the personnel of "Stone Crazy" was:

Vocals: Rod Stewart
Guitar: Peter Green
Bass: Jack Bruce
Drums: Aynsley Dunbar

Confirmation? Anyone? Bueller?

The information is "correct" in that these are the players listed in most discographies.
The only date for the recording that I have ever seen listed is "Summer 1967".
In the "summer" of 1967, Jack Bruce would have been working at the IBC studios in London laying down the basic tracks for Cream's "Wheels of Fire" LP.
Interestingly, Bruce's "official" website does not list the Dunbar session.
I always assumed it was Bruce's involvement that kept the track from being released.
Either that, or Blue Horizon was pressured by their releasing partner, CBS Records, whose subsidiary Epic had signed Jeff Beck.
When Dunbar was playing with the Jeff Beck Group, "Stone Crazy" was a staple of their live shows.

chiliD · #11 07-12-2005, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BklynBlue

The information is "correct" in that these are the players listed in most discographies.
The only date for the recording that I have ever seen listed is "Summer 1967".
In the "summer" of 1967, Jack Bruce would have been working at the IBC studios in London laying down the basic tracks for Cream's "Wheels of Fire" LP.

Well, that doesn't necessarily exclude him from the session...I've had many a "two gigs with two different bands" on the same day.

I think the most credible date for that session is June 1967. The real band name was "Crazy Blue" and according to the Mike Vernon's sleeve notes (The Blue Horizon Story), they recorded another take of "Stone Crazy" plus another track -still unreleased- called "Fly Right Baby" on which Bruce also played piano.

Mario.

dansven · #12 07-12-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD

From what I recall, the personnel of "Stone Crazy" was:

Vocals: Rod Stewart
Guitar: Peter Green
Bass: Jack Bruce
Drums: Aynsley Dunbar

Confirmation? Anyone? Bueller?

Yes, that's the personnel I've always heard about concerning that song. The Rod Stewart box gives the following lineup:
Vocals: Rod Stewart
Drums: Aynsley Dunbar
Keyboards: Victor Brox
Bass: Alex Dinochowski (a misspelling of Dmochowski)

This is of course wrong - there are no keyboards on that song.

Daniel

wetcamelfood · #13 07-12-2005, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansven

Thanks a lot, John!

I suppose the sleeve notes on the Rod Stewart box could be wrong.. After all the personell on "Stone Crazy" is completely wrong!

Daniel

Sure thing Daniel, I just wish we had concrete sources but I guess we just have to try and decide what is the best source to go by.

Yeah, I think they could be rather suss, if I remember correctly, on the back of the CD it has "featuring PG" next to ICFTWWTR, but not SC. I'm pretty sure (if memory serves) that Pete Frame backs up the claim about PG having left SE before the recordings as well.

John

Wouter Vuijk · #14 07-14-2005, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansven

Yes, that's the personnel I've always heard about concerning that song. The Rod Stewart box gives the following lineup:
Vocals: Rod Stewart
Drums: Aynsley Dunbar
Keyboards: Victor Brox
Bass: Alex Dinochowski (a misspelling of Dmochowski)

This is of course wrong - there are no keyboards on that song.

Daniel

Anyone aware that Aynsley Dunbar later formed his "Reataliation" with:
John Moorshead: Guitar
Victor Brox: Vocals
Alex Dmochowski: Bass
Tommy Eyre: Keyboards
They made three and a half beautiful albums. I have them on LP with lots of scratches. I'm trying to find CD's which is difficult. By coincidence I just made an order at my local record store which supplies most anything you want, but they told me this would be most unsure.

I really dig Johns guitar playing and Victors singing

Wouter