Tusk Survivor - FINAL ROUND

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Well, see you in court again.

But I still want to mention this: To rank IKINW as a song inferior to Storms is stepping on my heart Strand. You could have said that about WATL. But all other LBsongs are NOT inferior to Storms. I like Storms better on a personal scale, but I would never say they are inferior to Storms.

Sh*t, I stayed out of this so bravely and now I'm in the stinkin' mess of
comparison myself. f*ck you dude

you are gonna be okay - I promise!!!!!!!!

Again, I think the composition and lyrics of Storms are just better from an objective point of view. I think it is hard to argue against that from an objective point of view.

Again, I voted for Storms because it is better - period. It is not better than most LB songs on Tusk, but it is better than IKINW. AND - I really like IKINW

I think inferior vs. superior arguments should be restrcited to those who can argue then solely from an objective point of view because the minute people start saying "I like it better" it becomes subjective and then everyone is correct IMO

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Ouch. Do you really think so?

I do. You're crossing into my territory, bud.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

I know but Diss promised we'd be bushwacked and we'd know by whom. ...Still waiting...

Michael

Lord child, can't you smell bull**** when it's right in front of your face?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Lux

Please don't encourage the regurgitation.

That one had me on the floor.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

And I ask you all: Would you please wake me up at the day the guy gets credit for the business-attacking mindset that was the core of the masterpiece to start with? Of course it would't have been the masterpiece that it is without the totally brilliant songwriting of the girls. He does not OWN the album. But let's be fair, he was the catalyst of the thing and his stubborn butthead behaviour put the seed in the ground for a masterpiece. So at least you can say "he owns the spirit of the album". And therefor he would have DESERVED to win.

Bugger is right. I'm glad that if any Stevie song won it was Storms because it's her best song ever, but even die-hard FM fans don't appreciate the spirit of the album from what I've seen in this game. They automatically toss out anything that is a little weird and experimental and then latch onto the most commercial songs for dear life. It boggles me how crap like Angel stayed around for so long, while brilliant stuff like SMAP, WATL, WMYTYTO, and Not That Funny was kicked to the curb almost instantly.

Yeah, it's all subjective, but honestly, the majority of you guys don't like the weird or experimental stuff unless it's Stevie talking about moons and sisters and intense silence and ghosts in fogs. And even then, you're still sticking with the safest songs. Stevie isn't a risk taker, even when the whole album was about taking risks. Even Christine indulged a bit. But that's all I'll say.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Lord child, can't you smell bull**** when it's right in front of your face?

Well, I've been smellin it so long . . .

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, I've been smellin it so long . . .

Then remove your head from your ass, already.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Then remove your head from your ass, already.

My **** doesn't stink - DON'T YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!

So the smell must be a comin' from the crap you post



P.S. - for the weak - Dissention and are friends!!!

[teedee]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

You read my post huh?

So the answer is: YES

We were voting for best song on the album. Not lindseys business attacking mindset. I think everyone gives lindsey the credit for tusk, being the master mind behind it, but that doesnt mean he has the best songs on the album within FM's fanbase. With credit also comes criticism, you cant have one without the other. there are some who feel tusk was a masterpiece and others that just dont like it. Its not a matter of "they just dont get it", cause there is nothing to get, other than he was approaching tusk in a total different way than rumours. in the end, its what peoples ears accept. unfortunately, some dont look at all that lindsey does , behind the scenes, but even if they do see all he does, the end result is still the songs, and if ppl dont like it, they dont like it. I think lindsey is a wonderful producer, he is definately a great guitarist, do i think he is the greatest songwriter, no, do i like his music, yes, but not every song. this was a simple little game. doesnt mean a thing. So Stevie won best song on basically a Lindsey FM album, alert the presses, thats the power of Stevie. lol its all in fun. or its supposed to be, but i guess some cant take losing without having to criticize the winner, and i dont mean you directly. take care.

[Sugar]

To me, Storms is a good song, but it's a little static. It's like her sitting in a window, looking out over a cloudy day, thinking about a relationship went bad and how she will move on. And believe me, more than once in the lower parts of my life, I have found myself singing "Every night that goes between/ I feel a little less".

HOWEVER...

IKINW describes a person in conflict. He thinks/knows it's over, but he looks at her and comments "her eyes look sad" which is only something you say if you still have empathy for that person. And the "please be strong/ I know I'm not wrong" always made me think he was saying "our relationship is worth holding on to, I know it, be strong!" So he's wrestling with it being over and still wanting it. With letting go, and with hanging on.

IKINW is conflict, while Storms is static resignation. And conflict is more interesting that static from an objective point of view, right Strand? I mean who could argue that from an objective point of view?

(Sorry, Jason, it was beyond my restraint capabilities... )

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

My **** doesn't stink - DON'T YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!

So the smell must be a comin' from the crap you post



P.S. - for the weak - Dissention and are friends!!!

Sorry, there's only one of us whose arse smells like roses, my dear.

[teedee]

Originally Posted by dissention

Bugger is right. I'm glad that if any Stevie song won it was Storms because it's her best song ever, but even die-hard FM fans don't appreciate the spirit of the album from what I've seen in this game. They automatically toss out anything that is a little weird and experimental and then latch onto the most commercial songs for dear life. It boggles me how crap like Angel stayed around for so long, while brilliant stuff like SMAP, WATL, WMYTYTO, and Not That Funny was kicked to the curb almost instantly.

Yeah, it's all subjective, but honestly, the majority of you guys don't like the weird or experimental stuff unless it's Stevie talking about moons and sisters and intense silence and ghosts in fogs. And even then, you're still sticking with the safest songs. Stevie isn't a risk taker, even when the whole album was about taking risks. Even Christine indulged a bit. But that's all I'll say.

So you call Angel, in your opinion crap, while IKINW and SMAP masterpieces. thats your opinion. its not that ppl dont like the fact that lindsey likes to experiment, but the end result is what people hear, and if it doesnt sound nice to ones ears they may not like it. to say ppl go for the more commercial songs, its just their opinion of what they like. I will say that tusk is the total opposite of the Rumours feel, but to say that he is so experimental as to say "weird" I wouldnt use that word. To me thats just an excuse to label why someone may not like a Tusk , lindsey song. then to state ppl only vote for the wierd, mystical songs of stevies, thats just not so. i can appreciate, something thats out there and different but to say that his stuff is way out there , may be compared to rumours, within fleetwood mac, but not in the grand scheme of things.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, it's all subjective, but honestly, the majority of you guys don't like the weird or experimental stuff unless it's Stevie talking about moons and sisters and intense silence and ghosts in fogs. And even then, you're still sticking with the safest songs. Stevie isn't a risk taker, even when the whole album was about taking risks. Even Christine indulged a bit. But that's all I'll say.

Number one, someone ought to get email addreses and send out Xanax. But hey, I can get wound up about things myself....just not song games.

I don't think that Stevie has been experimental...almost ever. With the exception of her disco flavor (I Can't Wait...EFO...Sister Honey...mostly song collaborations.) In fact, the unususal vibe that we hear in Sara and Storms are from production. Which, judging from the demos, Lindsey can take the credit for.

As far as LB's independent and creative streak...it certainly began with this record and he had a lot of guts doing what he did. I don't begrudge his experimental stuff one little bit. In fact, I think that Go Insane is his best work, and "Play In The Rain is probably my favorite LB song of all time. I just find many of his songs on Tusk to be annoying. The staccato, abrupt pacing and the tones of his vocals tend to grate on me. Even though it is the sound of a man stretching and growing as an artist, some of it hurts my ears (TEFM and NTF in particular).

So it isn't the spirit of any of that experimentation that throws this usual Chiffonhead. Frankly, it's the execution. A matter of taste, to be sure.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by teedee

We were voting for best song on the album.

No we didn`t

[Merf]

Originally Posted by sparky

Number one, someone ought to get email addreses and send out Xanax. But hey, I can get wound up about things myself....just not song games.

Finally, someone with some sense!!!! It's so hilarious to me how people get so worked up about this-- the animosity runs deep and perhaps it's because I've "only" been a fan since 1997 and don't quite understand it. It always comes down to the Lindsey Ledge vs. the Stevie Ledge and it's lame as hell. So I guess we need to add something else to the Ledge FAQ: Never, ever, ever post any threads that are "competitions" between the band members' work, because it will always lead to pages and pages of ridiculous circular logic and pot shots at other posters!!!! Absolutely ridiculous.

Storms won the game. Big deal. Get over it, people.