stevie's politics?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by MikeBangle

Hey all,

The Dixie Chicks were in London, and what they said was not the "watered down" version that was reported by the media. The statement was a bit more involved and was quite vulgar in content.

I call that a lack of respect that beyond the issue of if they were for or against the war, you don't do that. What ever happened to respectfully disagreeing about anything? Nasty T-shirts, destroying property, making other peoples lives miserable does nothing to advance ANY cause. IMO, if the Dixie Chicks want to spout off like that, then they better be able to accept the consequences. (I.e. people burning CDs, not attending shows or buying their records. See, the consumer has the right to voice an opinion too. The death threats were a bit much however.)

Besides, a concert venue is NOT appropriate for artists who don't know JACK to start spouting off...

I go to concerts to be ENTERTAINED, not be lectured on an artists political beliefs. I go to concerts to get AWAY from that...

I think Stevie's decision to abstain from politics is right on the money. She is an entertainer, not a politician, and that goes for Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews and the rest of that ratpack. (And gee, Dave Matthews is so pro enviornmentalists that they went ahead and dumped several tons of sewage into a river in Ohio and are being sued by the state for it. Hmmmm.... )

It is fine to voice opposition, but do it with respect okay?

I apologize for the rant.

So how about Fleetwood Mac eh?

MikeBangle

That's bull. Go read the British newspapers that first broke the story, they didn't say anything else that was "vulgar in content" and her comments were not "watered down." But, if oyu can prove otherwise, let's see a link and some quotes.

And why the assertion that they don't know "jack"? How do you know how well-versed they are in politics and world issues?

Your post has quite the disregard for where they were performing: in London in front of Texan expatriates.

As for Dave Matthews, all evidence suggests that it wasn't their boat that dumped the waste.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by MikeBangle

What ever happened to respectfully disagreeing about anything? Nasty T-shirts, destroying property, making other peoples lives miserable does nothing to advance ANY cause.

The Dixie Chicks did none of those things.

You should direct that statement to the Republican pigs at the Linda Ronstadt concert last month.

[teedee]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yet another case of people acting as if they know what they're talking about.

You obviously have not read the articles about the incident in question, which explicitly state the Texans howled with approval and applause. Again, all evidence suggests that it was an off-the-cuff remark, whether you want to believe it or not.

I also find your assertion that celebrities automatically think everyone will agree with them on politics to be incredulous at best. It's quite disingenuous; they have just as much right to say what they want as you do.

And you know what you are talking about, you stated it was in texas infront of texans. At least i stated i wasnt sure where the Concert was when i saw the following posts. and as far as what Stevies comments were, I have it on tape and i do not have that comment in those such words.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by MikeBangle

Actually,

I was referring the the thousands of people who protested in New York during the RNC. Alas, my mistake. And they did make peoples lives miserable, just ask the businesses that were trashed and the communters whose cars were egged on or people who were threatened and spit on as they just tried to get to work!

What about the thousands of people Dubya and his cronies have murdered in cold blood? What about the thousands in thsi country and across the world who are dying of AIDs because Dubya won't give them another dime to fight it? What about the GENOCIDE in Sudan that is killing thousands upon thousands each day with the help of Bush? Gimme a break. These people were protesting those acts of crulety and filth that this administration is perpetrating.

Originally Posted by MikeBangle

BTW - I never said celebs can't have political beliefs. What I said was they need to use sound judgement on where and how they voice them. At a political rally, okay. At a concert, NO WAY!

This statement contradicts this statement:

Originally Posted by MikeBangle

Shut up and sing, shut up and act.

Fact is, they're Americans and can say what they want where they want, just like you.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by teedee

IF you are worried about the safety of your children and your families and you make such a statement in public. think before you speak.

I didn't know we lived in Cuba. Where's the welcome wagon?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by teedee

Secondly, If they did apologize, what did they apologize for, if they didnt take back what was originally said?

They apologized for saying it in such a gruff manner, but not once did they apologize or retract their statements.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by teedee

And you know what you are talking about, you stated it was in texas infront of texans. At least i stated i wasnt sure where the Concert was when i saw the following posts. and as far as what Stevies comments were, I have it on tape and i do not have that comment in those such words.

No, I did not. I said it was in front of Texans. Never did I say they were in Texas. Quote me if I said otherwise; I submit you cannot.

You obviously have eyes, please read before responding to my posts.

And I have it on tape, too, and that's what she says.

[teedee]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's bull. Go read the British newspapers that first broke the story, they didn't say anything else that was "vulgar in content" and her comments were not "watered down." But, if oyu can prove otherwise, let's see a link and some quotes.

And why the assertion that they don't know "jack"? How do you know how well-versed they are in politics and world issues?

Your post has quite the disregard for where they were performing: in London in front of Texan expatriates.

As for Dave Matthews, all evidence suggests that it wasn't their boat that dumped the waste.

LOL look who woke up! "lets see the Quotes" oh please if it isnt carne, trying to talk thru Diss,its Diss trying to do his best impressions of Carne. ITs a little to clear someones feeding you. lol.

as far as being well versed in the issues, they sure didnt present their statement in the most well versed way did they.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by teedee

LOL look who woke up! "lets see the Quotes" oh please if it isnt carne, trying to talk thru Diss,its Diss trying to do his best impressions of Carne. ITs a little to clear someones feeding you. lol.

as far as being well versed in the issues, they sure didnt present their statement in the most well versed way did they.

It's also clear that you're talking out of your ass, but that's nothing new.

[teedee]

Originally Posted by dissention

I didn't know we lived in Cuba. Where's the welcome wagon?

Do you actually think you live in the Same worry free America as it once was? No, its not the same. People dont respond in a light hearted manner today, you should know that. people get shot for looking at you too long. Its America, but its not the same world today. Do you not agree with that.? We all have the right to freedom of speech, but its all in the presentation of how you present it. You do it in a "gruff" way, people will respond to it the same way.

[teedee]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's also clear that you're talking out of your ass, but that's nothing new.

Ill trade you an apple for an orange. At least its my own ass.


Diss = Carne
Carne = Diss


LOL

Do you enjoy the arm up your ass, which makes your lips move>

LOL

[teedee]

Originally Posted by dissention

Not really. I think that after seeing such outrage directed towards the Chicks, Lindsey wouldn't want any of it reflected on the band. I think that if the song was about war and politics, he definitely would be fearful. It was just the Chicks, it was Pearl Jam and many other bands, too.

so its alright for lindsey to refrain from not going public with his beliefs and standing up for his beliefs because of fear, does the same not apply to stevie.

[MikeBangle]

Originally Posted by dissention

What about the thousands of people Dubya and his cronies have murdered in cold blood?

Excuse me? Just what are you referring to here?

What about the thousands in thsi country and across the world who are dying of AIDs because Dubya won't give them another dime to fight it?

Oh really? What source are you getting this from? The United States spends the most on AIDS research and aide to other countries. It is a fact that Bush has spent more money on AIDS related research and aide than any previous administration.


What about the GENOCIDE in Sudan that is killing thousands upon thousands each day with the help of Bush? Gimme a break.

Where would you like it? Kit-Kats are great candy bars!

What the HELL are you talking about? We are helping the Sudanese massacre each other? I guess the conspiracy theorists are really working overtime.... Do you honestly believe this craptrap?

Oye ve


These people were protesting those acts of crulety and filth that this administration is perpetrating.

LOL! Acts of cruelty and filth? Oh my GOD. That's a good one. Try better next time.. LOL



Fact is, they're Americans and can say what they want where they want, just like you.

Yes, they are Americans just like me. And no, I didn't contradict myself. Read my previous posts...

MikeBangle

[teedee]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

And even if there happened to be an inordinate amount of Texans in London that night, my take on it was that she was not dissing Texas, but the president. She was ashamed that the president was from Texas because she felt that he was representing Texas in a bad way.
I guess some people took that to mean that she was saying that she was ashamed that someone from Texas would be the president instead. I think the fact that it was so nebulous only goes to prove that it was not premeditated at all, but then again even the Goddess Stevie says some things that are premeditated and don't really make all that much sense.

But did the comment really hurt the Dixie Chicks' career that much? Did their following really decline significantly? Did they lose money? I guess I figured that the vast majority of the people who turned against them weren't really devoted fans to begin with.

Hillary

I dont think it was taken as tho she was against texas at all. it was a statement purely against the president.

[MikeBangle]

Yikes for some reason the font in my responses ended up being the same as the post I was responding too...

Hope everyone can sort it out.......

MikeBangle