What the hell is going on!? - Page 10

Janet · #**136** 08-26-2004, 11:38 AM

I just want to say there is nothing wrong in talking about drugs when you are speaking of PAST drug use. Or mentioning various drugs.

But taking them, talking about their effects and showing pics of you on them and showing pics OF the dugs and pill bottles...that's not cool. THAT is irresponsible.

That's all I have to say.

Moderating is no bigger than what everyone does.If someone sends us a message, they are moderating too.

We are just responsible to take the next time. But really, we are all moderators, watching out for everyone's best interest.

Janet · #**137** 08-26-2004, 11:53 AM

LUX,

You know what I mean.

Dulcimer · #**138** 08-26-2004, 11:59 AM

Do you ever get the feeling you've all been had? I can see how some of the people around here might have taken Carne's post as rude, but I've been around awhile though I only post once in a while, and I thought it was very funny. Carne has a knack for getting people's attention, walking right on the edge of propriety, sucking everyone in to a pretty much pointless debate, then bowing out. Meanwhile, you're carrying on the discussion. He's probably sitting back and laughing.

When Marty was able to crack a joke and leave it at that after the tense back-and-forth between him and Carne, he was probably letting us know that he was done with the matter and he wasn't going to hold a grudge. But the beat goes on somehow.

ThinLine · #**139** 08-26-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dulcimer

He's probably sitting back and laughing

is that what people do for fun?

yes, it's the internet. Humiliation and fun......it's all good fun for some

dissention · #**140** 08-26-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Actually I notice nobody was talking about me at all and yet you managed to irrelevantly slip in some hardly effective insults. I can only imagine that this is to boost your perception of yourself.

I didn't need to say your name for people to know who I was talking about. There's only one person on this board who posts as they're supposedly ODing. Might I suggest psychotherapy.

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Originally Posted by Lux

I suggest that perhaps between the two of us it is not I who is suffering from the influence of an unknown cause of mind-alteration. Someone ought to insert something large and pointy in you. You are one most unjustifiably arrogant f*ck. Evidently, humanity has been capable of furthered greatest in many areas specifically due to 'substances' however this would be to indicate that your statements actually held up at all.

I would thank you for the compliments, but you're probably making them while under the influence, unfortunately.

Dulcimer · #**141** 08-26-2004, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThinLine

is that what people do for fun?

yes, it's the internet. Humiliation and fun......it's all good fun for some

I don't think there's been any humiliation at all, at least not that I can see. What I see is people, yourself included, taking things too seriously and probably would have been better off staying out of the fray altogether.

glitter_fades · #**142** 08-26-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dulcimer

Carne has a knack for getting people's attention, walking right on the edge of propriety, sucking everyone in to a pretty much pointless debate, then bowing out. Meanwhile, you're carrying on the discussion. He's probably sitting back and laughing.

That's an interesting assessment of the situation. I was wondering myself whether this thread had a serious point or not. Carne can speak for himself about his intentions in the original post. My impression was that he had a concern about arbitrary enforcement of rules and overuse of sticky threads. I don't have an opinion on whether he posted his concerns in a friendly enough manner. Moderators can decide if rules were broken. When the thread rolled around to the topic of censorship it drew my interest. The comparisons Carne made about the liberal policy the Ledge had toward free-speepch during the fan club debate vs. arbitrary deleting of threads regarding Burnish is interesting. My only comment on this might spark a new round of heated debate, but here goes...

The entire fan club controversy had a tremendous public impact not just for long-time Ledgies or frequent posters at this board. It also had far reaching impact on the general public. Internet fan clubs are a huge unregualted enterprise which unscrupulous people have exploited to the detriment of all. A personal beef with someone at another message board which then turns into a personal feud played out across various message boards is another matter. I often agree with some of the unpopular things Carne has to say, but I disagree that something is wrong with the way Ledge moderators handled the fan club debate. The Ledge owners and mods went out on a limb to uphold the concept of free speech when it was truly worth the public good, and potentially to their own detriment. I don't see that as comparable to allowing free-wheeling debate about strictly personal disagreements. I understand others might see it differently. I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank Marty and the Ledge mods once again for providing an open forum for fans to express uncensored opinions about the fan club when nobody else with anything at stake would do the same.

Now it's time to lock this thread! (just kidding)

Dulcimer · #**143** 08-26-2004, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

The entire fan club controversy had a tremendous public impact not just for long-time Ledgies or frequent posters at this board. It also had far reaching impact on the general public. Internet fan clubs are a huge unregualted enterprise which unscrupulous people have exploited to the detriment of all. A personal beef with someone at another message board which then turns into a personal feud played out across various message boards is another matter. I often agree with some of the unpopular things Carne has to say, but I disagree that something is wrong with the way Ledge moderators handled the fan club debate. The Ledge owners and mods went out on a limb to uphold the concept of free speech when it was truly worth the public good, and potentially to their own detriment. I don't see that as comparable to allowing free-wheeling debate about strictly personal disagreements.

I can't speak for Carne, and he does a good job of that himself. I undertstand what you're saying, but I think he was pointing out that there was a lot of invective, expletives and what he called gratuitous insults in those threads, which I remember seeing myself. There is no doubt in my mind that some of those threads went overboard even though a lot of people had some genuine gripes.

Eh, like I said, Carne shoudl speak for himself. I am now helping to prolong a discussion I said should have ended by now, but these things take on a life of their own. I do think some of this was taken too seriously, but that's neither here nor there.

Johnny Stew · #**144** 08-26-2004, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dulcimer

Do you ever get the feeling you've all been had? I can see how some of the people around here might have taken Carne's post as rude, but I've been around awhile though I only post once in a while, and I thought it was very funny. Carne has a knack for getting people's attention, walking right on the edge of propriety, sucking everyone in to a pretty much pointless debate, then bowing out. Meanwhile, you're carrying on the discussion. He's probably sitting back and laughing.

All I know, is that I'm buying the dude some knitting needles and yarn for Christmas. That's a more constructive hobby.

glitter_fades · #**145** 08-26-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dulcimer

I think he was pointing out that there was a lot of invective, expletives and what he called gratuitous insults in those threads, which I remember seeing myself. There is no doubt in my mind that some of those threads went overboard even though a lot of people had some genuine gripes.

I disagree there was A LOT of posting that crossed the line. You're right about certain posts which did. I'm sure I was one of the guilty ones using choice words. But if I recall correctly, posts that crossed the line of vulgarity or gratuitous insults were, in fact, deleted. I didn't complain about it then and I don't disagree with enforcing decorum now, as long as the debate is not being squelched because the topic is controversial. I still don't see the two situations as comparable, but I understand what you're saying.

**jbrownsjr** · #**146** 08-26-2004, 04:22 PM

I'm getting Carne In the Meantime for x-mas. He'll need those knitting needles while he listens!

**jbrownsjr** · #**147** 08-26-2004, 04:24 PM

My sarcasm got the nu page again!

Livia · #**148** 08-26-2004, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Lux:

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I suggest that perhaps between the two of us it is not I who is suffering from the influence of an unknown cause of mind-alteration. Someone ought to insert something large and pointy in you. You are one most unjustifiably arrogant f*ck. Evidently, humanity has been capable of furthered greatest in many areas specifically due to 'substances' however this would be to indicate that your statements actually held up at all.

I was perfectly happy staying out of the fray until I saw THAT!

DAYUM, that was rude!