NJ Governor McGreevey resigns

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Scary just Scary
I am sure the Carlyle Group is in there somewhere.

BTW - did you see the Mancurian Candidate - scary to think how it smacks of today's politics (other than the comp. chips - at least I think so)

The Carlyle is associated with Saudi Arabia, not Israel.

No, I haven't seen the Manchurain Candidate yet.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The Carlyle is associated with Saudi Arabia, not Israel.

No, I haven't seen the Manchurain Candidate yet.

There's a difference

Although nothing can compare to the original, esp, Angela L., the remake was great and Streep should win the Oscar for it, esp. for the scene where she insists on her son being the VP nominee and when she reveals she is in on the act. She easily is one of the greatest I have ever scene.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

There's a difference

Although nothing can compare to the original, esp, Angela L., the remake was great and Streep should win the Oscar for it, esp. for the scene where she insists on her son being the VP nominee and when she reveals she is in on the act. She easily is one of the greatest I have ever scene.

Nancy Sinatra produced it. Interesting, isn't it?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Nancy Sinatra produced it. Interesting, isn't it?

Here Dad was GREAT in it.

I love the original. The remake is not as good, but it is good IMO.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Nancy Sinatra produced it. Interesting, isn't it?

Nancy is a die-hard Democrat. Look her up on Newsmeat some time, you'll be SHOCKED at how much she donates and how often.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Nancy is a die-hard Democrat. Look her up on Newsmeat some time, you'll be SHOCKED at how much she donates and how often.

Oooh. Another one for me to look up. Have you seen Bab's contributions for the month of June? Jayzuz.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Oooh. Another one for me to look up. Have you seen Bab's contributions for the month of June? Jayzuz.

Did you see the organization she donated to that supports Daschle?

"A LOT OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING TOM DASCHLE INC."

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I submit that was the gov.'s intent by spinning this into I am a Gay-American thing instead of I have been funneling money to my paramour by giving him impt. jobs he was not qualified for, which was a misuse of the public trust and funds. But, I am a Gay American, even though I apparently will stay married to my female wife that I have been cheating on (again if she is okay with it - who am I to speak against it). This is just huge spin IMO to cover his a$$ on the real issue, which and again, was his misuse of public trust and funds to provide sugar to the paramour. But, more facts need to surface, etc.

I'm not them but I have a sneaking suspicion that it was no big shock and "tragedy" for the McGreevey family when he came out the other day...in fact, I think they and his close associates have known for quite some time. Over a year ago, McGreevey was down the shore and broke his leg. The local news and press reported he was with his wife at the time when in actuality, she was nowhere in sight. It has since come out that he was with Cipel at the time. I'm sure she was shocked to hear the news he was at the shore with her because she wasn't even there. I'm thinking it was at that particular time when questions arose and perhaps speculation and talk of lawsuits first came up. THAT'S why I feel this was so well planned on the part of McGreevey and why I feel that there is far more damaging information coming... something does not add up and I feel as though he's trying to use his coming out to overshadow more seedy issues at hand. Again, I do not in any way, shape, or form feel that this will influence the presidential election in November (regardless of the article presented previously on Cipel). Kerry will be assured our 15 electoral votes so you don't have to worry about having any sleepless nights about NJ causing the loss of the Kerry/Edwards election...that's FL's job anyway

[gldstwmn]

Sez Gov lover's his ex

The New Jersey gay sex scandal took an explosive new turn as a man claiming to be Golan Cipel's lover came forward and reported the affair to aides of Gov. Jim McGreevey, sources said yesterday.
The mystery man, a college professor from northern Jersey, called the governor's office to assert he and Cipel had been romantically involved, sources said.

If true, the new lover could blow apart Cipel's claims that he is straight and seriously damage Cipel's credibility as a victim of McGreevey's unwanted sexual advances.

The governor's office was taking the claim seriously enough to have private investigators vet the allegations as part of McGreevey's efforts to repel a potential civil suit by Cipel, sources said yesterday.

"There have been at least three people coming forward, and this person seems the most credible," a source familiar with the inquiry said.

Cipel's lawyer, Allen Lowy, did not return calls for comment.

The news came as Cipel went home to Israel to spend time with his family and escape the media glare. Cipel told reporters he was having a very hard time, but he vowed to return to the United States to "make sure justice comes to light."

When the scandal first broke, Cipel said he regretted lacking "the strength to disentangle myself from such an oppressive environment and from such a manipulative person."

When he "finally dared to reject Gov. McGreevey's advances," he said the New Jersey governor and his staff tried tosmear him. Yesterday, Cipel's lawyer said the two never hadsexual intercourse but refused to detail the nature of their "contact."

The governor fielded no questions yesterday, but his staff called Cipel's claims of abuse "absurd" and a "lie."

Former New Jersey Gov. Christie Whitman, a Republican, added her voice to the growing chorus demanding that McGreevey resign now. She said he simply can't do the job under mounting public pressure and scrutiny.

"He should step aside right now," Whitman said, telling Fox News that McGreevey's sin was not a gay extramarital affair, but giving his alleged boyfriend a taxpayer-funded job he was unqualified for.

Despite the pressure, McGreevey still plans to resign in November, handing over the reins to state Senate President Richard Codey (D-Union).

After meeting with McGreevey yesterday afternoon, Codey said, "He is very firm and resolved to stay until Nov. 15."

Some political watchers said McGreevey was planning to leave early but delayed making the announcement to round up pledges for his legal fees.

"That's crazy," said Belmar Mayor Kenneth Pringle. "People will contribute to McGreevey's legal fees because they like him. To dangle that as a carrot, or think people will withhold that if he doesn't go along with what they want, smells of the worst of Jersey boss politics."

McGreevey spent yesterday morning hosting a breakfast at the governor's mansion for some 200 political appointees in his administration.

He then met with cabinet members and homeland security advisers at a Trenton hotel about security needed when the Republican convention opens in New York on Aug. 30.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-191854c.html

[dissention]

I don't like McGreevey, but Cipel sure is the one coming out looking like the asshole. Has he even filed the suit yet?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't like McGreevey, but Cipel sure is the one coming out looking like the asshole. Has he even filed the suit yet?

No. He went back to Israel while the FBI investigates him for extortion.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't like McGreevey, but Cipel sure is the one coming out looking like the asshole. Has he even filed the suit yet?

and a sore one at that

[strandinthewind]

The horse's mouth!!!

August 22, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
I Still Have Work to Do
By JAMES E. McGREEVEY

renton — Ten days ago, I made a very difficult personal decision to announce my sexuality and resignation as governor of New Jersey. I also apologized to my wife for my failure to respect the covenant of our marriage, and to the citizens of New Jersey for allowing my professional decisions to be distracted by my personal life. I accepted full responsibility for the sins, transgressions and errors in judgment I exhibited during my tenure and will work to correct the consequences.

To all those many thousands of individuals, Republican and Democrat, who called with words of kindness, I simply say thank you. If any good is to come from this episode - as distinct from the accomplishments of my administration - hopefully, it is that New Jersey and increasingly America recognizes that sexuality is an individual imprint and not a statement of competency and capability.

While there are many different and sometimes competing influences, it is my humble hope that my "coming out" could, in some small way, help those gay Americans who have yet to become open with their sexuality. To be gay, for me, was not a choice, but simply stating a reality. Now at peace with arguably one of the most important truths of my life, it is my prayer that I will now be free to live openly and integrate my sexuality with my daily life. This integration will hopefully help my actions, my thoughts and my heart to be in alignment going forward, keeping me from the pitfalls of a divided self or secret truths.

Much has been said about my decision not to resign immediately, but to set Nov. 15 as the effective date of my resignation. My initial inclination was to accept responsibility, apologize and move on quickly. The more I reflected, however, the more I realized that leaving office abruptly would be an abandonment of responsibility.

I fully believe in the importance of elections within a participatory democracy. There can be no greater instrument for ensuring the strength and foundation of our system of government than the electoral process. Recognizing that principle, nonetheless, I can identify two specific reasons for choosing to remain governor until Nov. 15.

First, there are immediate public policy considerations and actions, which need to be completed. Simply put, there are demands and projects which need to be addressed and put in place now.

Having accepted responsibility for my actions by proffering my resignation didn't necessarily mean that I was required to abandon midstream important initiatives that this administration holds dear.

For instance, our work to establish a stem cell institute between the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and Rutgers University is on the cusp of becoming a reality that will be a source of hope to those who are confronting incurable disease.

Our landmark legislation that preserves 400,000 acres of the pristine Highland watershed land now requires the establishment of a mechanism to protect drinking water for more than 5 million residents. A property tax constitutional commission must be appointed to provide for a balanced, thoughtful examination as to the prospects of property tax reforms. The irony is that having no political agenda allows me to make certain difficult decisions regarding the scope and structure of constitutional change.

Moreover, security concerns in light of the heightened level of terror alerts surrounding the Republican National Convention also argue for continuity of leadership.

The second major reason is that our 1947 state constitution establishes the Senate president as the official who would succeed a governor in an unexpired term. I acknowledge that the constitution would permit a special election to occur if I were to resign at or about the first week of September. But the constitution does not outline provisions or state requirements for the timing of a resignation. While the constitution does provide the mechanism for an election, the decision of when to make that resignation effective is a personal one.

I made this decision in the context of what I thought was in the best interest of the state. I truly believe that an orderly transition is important for continuity and stability. An acting governor is more inclined by title to finish the good work that has been started. Moreover, in this case, there will still be an election next year as called for in the constitution. There is a great cost to staging an election hastily; even a statewide race could get lost in a national election year and the momentum and investment made in still developing initiatives would most likely be diminished.

This decision was a difficult one and it was made with serious deliberation. While I see the merits of both sides of the debate, I stand firm with my decision. My obligation is to complete the important work already started and to achieve an effective transition of state government.


James E. McGreevey is the Democratic governor of New Jersey.


from www.nytimes.com

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

The horse's mouth!!!

August 22, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
I Still Have Work to Do
By JAMES E. McGREEVEY

The man is a bastard who endangered the lives of everyone in his state just so he could get his rocks off and who abused his power as governor too many times to count. He didn't do his job before his resignation, what "work" does he have to do now? Give it a rest, asshole. (McGreevey, not you Jason ) Take another trip to Ireland or Israel again while you can still afford to do so on the taxpayers dime.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

The man is a bastard who endangered the lives of everyone in his state just so he could get his rocks off and who abused his power as governor too many times to count. He didn't do his job before his resignation, what "work" does he have to do now? Give it a rest, asshole. (McGreevey, not you Jason ) Take another trip to Ireland or Israel again while you can still afford to do so on the taxpayers dime.

I agree - I think he abused the state and should step down now. But, that is politics I guess!!!!