Tusk Song Survivor!

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I think the song is brilliant, and to be totally honest, I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it. I'd be perfectly content being the one and only person in this entire world who likes it. I'm a snob in those regards. If I like a song, my opinion is the only one that matters to me.

And yet you still always speak up whenever the usual "WISYA" brawl comes up. Honestly, is it really all about keeping the precious balance between Lindsey and Stevie for you?
Do not try to pretend that when you see a particularly harsh critique of "When I See You Again" your emotions are not stirred. Random opinions from random, unknown posters shouldn't bother anyone; when you see an established member of the board making a statement like that several times in a row then at least I would take it seriously.
Your entire paragraph there could knock over your "everyone in this world can relate to Stevie's songs, if they really try" theory.

And it's the same thing with "Save Me A Place." I'm not going to just vote it off, or say I dislike it, without offering an explanation as to why.

Remember this thread? http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showth...1&page=1&pp=15 This is where Mylittledemon stated something like 'Time sucks donkey's balls' and made a few people angry because of that.
Now let's look at what you have been writing earlier in this survivor thread:

Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge.

Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June.

It makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry.

"Save Me A Place" isn't esoteric... it's just boring.

"Save Me A Place" sucks. I can't help it.
I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy... it just sucks.

So quite honestly, I do not think this is anything different from what Mylittledemon stated in that thread I linked to. Only in a couple of places do I see a thing like "in my opinion", or something like that. Otherwise you're stating the thing like you were stating a fact, a thing ChiliD criticizes Mylittledemon of in the that particular thread.
Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.
In fact, I have even seen you criticizing certain people (you know who I'm referring to) for typing down similar things you just did in a thread, about a particular song. Which is why it was surprising to see statements like this from you several times in a row.
I'm not even that moved by "Save Me A Place". I'm just here to speak for the people who obviously are tremendously moved by it. I believe they weren't that bothered by your opinion on it. I also believe they can speak for themselves, Dissention and Kate have shown to me that they sure can and will do it when they feel the need for it.
But the weirdest thing was that you actually answered to every one of their comments, and even still felt the need to add the obligatory "SMAP sucks" statement, dressed in various guises. So you hate the song? Why bother saying it multiple times within a short time-frame? In fact, it was only when I came around with my usual long-winded nose-picking that you started to tone that opinion down.

But at the end of the day, it's not something I lose any sleep over.

Yes, well, I'll soon go off and start turning in my bed and enter work tired after having wetted my sheets because of this demon exorcising.
You don't care for the song? Fine. That never bothered me, it was your rhetorics that did.

I also thought I explained why I feel the way I do about "Ricky" (which is, for the record, a song I like).

Which you did do, but we'd have to have a musicological analysis on why "Ricky" supposedly has less going on in it than "That's All For Everyone". But of course, tastes are tastes, and "writing about music is like dancing about architecture".

"Everywhere" is also a relatively simple song, lyrically, and I love that song... and I know you have a deep distaste for it ("housewife music," and all that).

I do not have a deep distaste for any Fleetwood Mac song. As a great man once said: "it's a stupid thing to do, to hate music. You either care for it or you don't."
If I thoroughly hated "housewife music", I would also have to hate "Warm Ways", "Dreams", "Gypsy", "Only Over You", "Mystified", "Soul Drifter", "Nights In Estoril", "Friend", etc, most of those songs that I truly love.
I have learned to like "Everywhere" and it never took that long, at first though I felt it threatened my values of good music and my appreciation of Fleetwood Mac. It isn't all that different from what Chris did before, it was just the utter minimalism of it that initially seemed inappropriate. That's something that Chris rarely tried, maybe that's why it's still not too convincing. But a heartfelt thing it is, all the same. If I called it "housewife music", I never intended that statement to be a bashing one. Did I not call "Honey Hi" a group-sex song? Did I not call "Family Man" and "When I See You Again" self-parodies? Those are my honest opinions of them, no matter how goofball they may seem for some. Make of those what you want. But the overtones in the statements I have not intended as negative ones.
But, whatever.

[Claudia]

My vote goes to 'Not That Funny' again. I just don't like the song much.

[ryan8472]

Once again I vote for Save Me A Place. I'll stop voting if it stays in the top five .

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by face of glass

And yet you still always speak up whenever the usual "WISYA" brawl comes up. Honestly, is it really all about keeping the precious balance between Lindsey and Stevie for you?
Do not try to pretend that when you see a particularly harsh critique of "When I See You Again" your emotions are not stirred. Random opinions from random, unknown posters shouldn't bother anyone; when you see an established member of the board making a statement like that several times in a row then at least I would take it seriously.

Am I not allowed to defend the merits of a song I like? Do I have to give any weight to someone else's opinion, in order to still be allowed to disagree?

If someone says something sucks, and I disagree, then I'm going to open my mouth. Just as I expect someone to disagree with me when I dislike a song that they like.

The debates and the disagreements have never been an issue.

Originally Posted by face of glass

Your entire paragraph there could knock over your "everyone in this world can relate to Stevie's songs, if they really try" theory.

Not at all. I said that it doesn't matter to me if I'm the only one who likes a song... I didn't say that no one else is ABLE to like the song.
Big difference.

Originally Posted by face of glass

Only in a couple of places do I see a thing like "in my opinion", or something like that. Otherwise you're stating the thing like you were stating a fact, a thing ChiliD criticizes Mylittledemon of in the that particular thread.
Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.
In fact, I have even seen you criticizing certain people (you know who I'm referring to) for typing down similar things you just did in a thread, about a particular song. Which is why it was surprising to see statements like this from you several times in a row.
I'm not even that moved by "Save Me A Place". I'm just here to speak for the people who obviously are tremendously moved by it. I believe they weren't that bothered by your opinion on it. I also believe they can speak for themselves, Dissention and Kate have shown to me that they sure can and will do it when they feel the need for it.
But the weirdest thing was that you actually answered to every one of their comments, and even still felt the need to add the obligatory "SMAP sucks" statement, dressed in various guises. So you hate the song? Why bother saying it multiple times within a short time-frame? In fact, it was only when I came around with my usual long-winded nose-picking that you started to tone that opinion down.

I could just say that I'm only being funny. I mean, everyone tells me to lighten up, and just take comments in a humourous way... so why can't I try my hand at that?
I guess I can't branch out a little, and try a different tact... I don't wear it well apparently. Ah well.

While I didn't add "in my opinion" to every one of my statements, one of my initial comments was, "it's the only clunker on the album, in my opinion."

But we'll fix the others...

"Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge, IMO."

"Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song, in my opinion. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June, IMHO.

"In my opinion, it makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry."

"'Save Me A Place' isn't esoteric... it's just boring, IMVHO."

"'Save Me A Place' sucks, IMO. I can't help it, it's my opinion.
I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy... it just sucks, IMHO. "

There we go.

Originally Posted by face of glass

I have learned to like "Everywhere" and it never took that long, at first though I felt it threatened my values of good music and my appreciation of Fleetwood Mac. It isn't all that different from what Chris did before, it was just the utter minimalism of it that initially seemed inappropriate. That's something that Chris rarely tried, maybe that's why it's still not too convincing. But a heartfelt thing it is, all the same. If I called it "housewife music", I never intended that statement to be a bashing one.

It sure didn't sound like a vote of approval... especially when you were offering it as the reason to vote the song off.

I guess you and I just have a hard time articulating ourselves when it comes to likes and dislikes regarding Fleetwood Mac.

[amber]

It would be weird if people always had to say IMO before everything they said, cause, unless you're quoting someone, who else's opinion would it be? It's like one of those niceties of language that's totally pointless, meaning-wise...enjoy!
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by amber

It's like one of those niceties of language that's totally pointless, meaning-wise.

That's YOUR opinion, Amber!!!

[amber]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

That's YOUR opinion, Amber!!!

I know, I wrote it! member? But I just realized it IS different if you say IMHO, because then you are DESCRIBING your opinion, rather than just having one and expressing it. Then someone can go "well, I don't agree with them, but at least they already know that their opinions are HUMBLE. I won't have to take em down a notch"
AMber

[MikeB]

Not That Funny

[The Tower]

"Not That Funny" , please go!

Very, very awful.....

[Cristian]

That's All For Everyone


Well... amongst all of the Lindsey songs off Tusk one I surely DON'T hate is "Save Me A Place"... That and "That's Enough For Me" are my two faves from him in this album... I would vote off "Not That Funny" and "Not That Funny Part 2" (a.k.a. "I Know I'm Not Wrong") first, that's for sure!

[77Rumours77]

Originally Posted by amber

I reviewed all of Tusk last night, and i realized my vote would have to be:
Walk a Thin Line
By the way, Rumours 77, Can Tusk have 2 survivors since it's a double album?I think that is an idea that should definitely be implemented....
AMber

Also what about the fact that it was 1 CD? I mean I dont know, How could I split it up into 2 after it has started? I think Its a good idea just dont know how to do it?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by face of glass

Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.

Darling, I get criticized and reprimanded for calling some of Stevie's songs "garbage," it's just par for the course these days.

Save Me A Place is a fantastic song. He took very minimalistic elements and somehow managed to make an emotionally compelling song out of them. In this case, I think the song benefits from not having a whole mess of words to it, he says it all in the few he chose to use and the accompanying music. Regardless if other people like it or think it's "sludge," I do and it's one of my favorites for many reasons.

I'm not offended at someone expressing their views on it, even if they hate it, but I have to wonder why people who criticize me for such harsh language when referring to tunes use that same harsh language when referring to SMAP. The language doesn't bother me one bit because I'm just as harsh. But don't call me out next time or I'll have to throw the "hypocrisy" word around and eventually put a "Rescind the Strike!" in my signature.

[77Rumours77]

3-Way tie.
OK, So how this one is going to work out is that we are goin with past majority. And it shows that Not That Funny has had the most votes. NTF please leave the tribal counsel area now, all other head back to camp.

Tonights Recap
Not That Funny - 6 Voted off by past votes
Thats All For Everyone - 6
Sara - 6
That's Enough For Me - 4
Save Me A Place - 4
The Ledge - 1
Bueatiful Child - 1
Never Make Me Cry - 1
Walk A Thin Line - 1
Never Forget - 1

Remaning Contestants
Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
Sara
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Thats All For Everyone
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget

Voted Off
Honey Hi - 8/15
Not That Funny - 8/16

[77Rumours77]

I vote for Thats All For Everyone


Immunity.....
Question....When did Stevie Nicks and Lindsey join Fleetwood Mac?
Please answer here....http://users.quickfox.org/~fleetwoodmac/gb.htm

Yes I know these are stupid. PLZ I WANT YOUR QUESTIONS If you have a good and HARD question plz send it to me here.. [email protected]

[GateandGarden]

Okay, I guess I'm going with "That's Enough for Me."

Or do we have to wait to see which song has immunity before we vote? I guess that makes sense...

Hillary