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Associated Press Thursday, March 7, 2002 By JOHN P. McALPIN TRENTON, N.J.—New Jersey's homeland security adviser has quit amid a furor over his lack of law enforcement experience and because his Israeli nationality prohibits him from obtaining a security clearance, Gov. James McGreevey said Thursday. Golan Cipel, 33, will be kept on the governor's staff and retain his $110,000 salary, with duties assigned on an "as-needed" basis, McGreevey said. Cipel previously held jobs in television news and public relations. He has also worked for the state Democratic committee and for a major donor to McGreevey and other state Democrats. On Wednesday, Republican lawmakers threatened to block all of McGreevey's remaining appointments unless Cipel testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee about his background. The governor said Cipel first asked to quit more than two weeks ago "due to his Israeli citizenship status." Security clearances are normally required for all Cabinet members and major nominations. Cipel does not head the state's homeland security panel. That job belongs to Assistant Attorney General Kathryn Flicker. A former Israeli sailor and a published poet, Cipel had worked as a spokesman for the Israeli Consulate in New York. Last year he took a job with the state Democratic Committee. During the gubernatorial campaign, he was McGreevey's liaison to the Jewish community and an informal adviser on security matters. Cipel has also worked for real estate developer Charles Kushner, a major supporter of New Jersey Democrats. That job was left off the biography of Cipel distributed by McGreevey's office. The governor's staff has barred Cipel from interviews or public comment about his background or the state job. ---------------------- Depending upon what he did prior to working for McGreevey, he may have already had money. Who knows? At any rate, like we've been saying, more will be revealed in the weeks and months to come. Things have always been slighty off when it comes Cipel and his reasons for resigning/why he was appointed to begin with. You have to wonder, at $110,000 per year, living in America and having a rather comfortable life at age 33, why someone would choose to resign to begin with. The next chapter in this ongoing saga soon...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/ny...jersey.html?th
RENTON, Aug. 13 - A former aide to Gov. James E. McGreevey of New Jersey identified himself Friday as the man with whom the governor had an extramarital affair, but said the relationship was far from consensual. The former aide, Golan Cipel, issued a statement through his lawyer in Manhattan, saying that he had been subjected to sexual exploitation and retaliation by the governor and had suffered "emotional distress and turmoil." Advertisement "While employed by one of the most powerful politicians in the country, New Jersey Governor McGreevey, I was the victim of repeated sexual advances by him," the statement said. "I was the victim whose oppressor was one of the most powerful politicians who made sure to let me know that my future was in his hands." The statement used the word victim four times, and in it Mr. Cipel said he "did not have the strength to disentangle myself from such an oppressive environment and from such a manipulative person." He said his aim in going public was to make Mr. McGreevey "take responsibility publicly for his horrible actions, which he did by resigning from public office." The governor's office, in a second day of turmoil in the State House, quickly responded, saying there was no abuse involved in the relationship with Mr. Cipel, a young Israeli who was appointed to a $110,000-a-year job by the governor in February 2002. "These are completely and totally false allegations from a person trying to exploit his relationship with the governor," said Micah Rasmussen, Mr. McGreevey's press secretary. "As the governor said yesterday, the relationship was consensual. Any suggestion otherwise is totally false." Mr. Cipel's allegations came a day after the governor's sudden and dramatic declaration that he was gay and that he would resign, effective Nov. 15, to avoid allegations that could compromise the office. The announcement and circumstances of the resignation have riveted the nation and thrown politics in the state into turmoil. The governor acknowledged an affair with another man but did not identify him and did not disclose what prompted his announcement: a warning that Mr. Cipel, who left the state payroll two years ago, planned a lawsuit. The two starkly disparate versions of events raised even more questions about the bizarre circumstances surrounding Mr. McGreevey's departure, and his relationship with the man he hired over objections about his qualifications. The two met on a trip Mr. McGreevey took to Israel, before his election. Mr. Golan was a public information officer for a municipal government. People on Mr. McGreevey's campaign staff said they were baffled when he hired Mr. Cipel as a campaign adviser. Legislators were baffled, too, when the newly elected Mr. McGreevey named Mr. Cipel his anti-terrorism adviser. At 33, Mr. Cipel had no experience in security, beyond service in the Israeli military, and as a noncitizen he was not eligible for a security clearance by the United States government. Mr. Cipel worked in state government for six months. After he resigned, Mr. McGreevey continued to help him find jobs in public relations. A federal law enforcement source confirmed Friday that the F.B.I. was looking into an accusation made Thursday by the governor's lawyers that Mr. Cipel's lawyer, Allen M. Lowy, had asked for $5 million to agree not to sue. It was not clear, however, whether the F.B.I. had opened an investigation or questioned anyone on either side. While the two sides made competing charges involving extortion and hush money, Mr. Cipel's lawsuit has not materialized. Mr. Lowy said in his announcement that "only time will tell" whether it would proceed, and he ducked into a cab several blocks from the news conference he had called without answering further questions from reporters. Mr. Cipel, who lives in Manhattan, has not been seen publicly or answered messages requesting comment. Mr. McGreevey's lawyer, William E. Lawler 3rd, said that "the fact that they aren't filing a suit is the clearest possible proof that they don't have, and didn't ever have, a real claim against the governor." Republicans on Friday demanded Mr. McGreevey's immediate resignation, as they did Thursday, and made even stronger statements after Mr. Cipel's allegations. "Golan Cipel's lawyer's statement is exactly why the governor needs to spare New Jersey this ugly and painful episode," said State Senator Joseph M. Kyrillos, the Republican state chairman. The Senate President, Richard J. Codey, is to become acting governor upon Mr. McGreevey's resignation. Under the state Constitution, a special election must be held if a governor leaves office more than 60 days before the next scheduled balloting, which this year is on Nov. 2. While the Republicans argued that Mr. McGreevey should allow voters to choose their next governor, they can do little to force him from office before the constitutional deadline, Sept. 2. Democrats control both houses, and neither is scheduled to meet before Labor Day. Advertisement Mr. McGreevey made no public appearances or statements, though aides described him as upbeat and relieved at having ended years of secrecy and doubt. He spent about half an hour addressing staff and cabinet members Friday afternoon in a farewell that Kathleen Ellis, his director of communications, said was "very, very emotional.'' "There was an awesome ovation both when he left and when he arrived," Ms. Ellis said. The governor's aides said he planned to spend the weekend with his wife, Dina Matos McGreevey, who stood by his side during his speech, and their 3-year-old daughter, Jacqueline. Mr. Codey, meanwhile, promised to work with the governor during the three-month transition - a transition that Republicans say is unnecessary - until he assumes the role of acting governor. His term expires in January 2006. The governor will "put the pedal to the metal and work as he always does," Mr. Codey said at a news conference in West Orange, his hometown. Mr. Codey, a 57-year-old Democrat who has been a legislator for 30 years, said it was too early to say whether he would seek election in 2005. The political battles were being played out even as the legal battles threatened all day. Finally, after the courts had closed and no lawsuit had been filed, Mr. Cipel's lawyer, Mr. Lowy, made a late-afternoon appearance in New York, on the steps of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The statement he read contained few facts but laid out a basic argument from Mr. Cipel that he had been forced into a sexual relationship with Mr. McGreevey and that retaliatory actions had been taken against him "when I finally dared to reject Governor McGreevey's advances." After reading Mr. Cipel's statement, Mr. Lowy read one of his own, acknowledging that there had been discussions with the governor's office in the days leading up to Mr. McGreevey's resignation. But, he said, "it was only at the insistence of the governor's representatives that I agreed to meet with them before filing a lawsuit." "In fact," he continued, "it was Mr. McGreevey's representatives who, without provocation, offered a sum of money to make my client go away." Mr. Lowy, who practices law in Manhattan and has ties to both Jewish causes and the music industry, would not answer questions about Mr. Cipel's whereabouts or the nature of the sexual advances that Mr. Cipel referred to. Mr. Rasmussen, the governor's press secretary, said that "the statement regarding an offer of payment for him to 'go away' is absolutely false." According to advisers to the governor, the McGreevey administration first learned of Mr. Cipel's plan to take legal action against the governor on July 23, when his lawyer, Mr. Lowy, called the governor's office and left a message indicating that he was preparing to file a sexual harassment lawsuit. Michael DeCotiis, Mr. McGreevey's chief counsel, was informed of the message and he called Mr. Lawler, a lawyer in private practice who has been representing the governor in an ongoing federal investigation into campaign fund-raising. The advisers said that, when the governor's lawyers returned the call, Mr. Lowy informed them that he planned to file a sexual harassment suit. Mr. Lowy would not describe the factual basis for the claim, Mr. McGreevey's advisers said, but insisted that he thought he could win a $50 million judgment in the case and would be willing to settle for $5 million. The governor's advisers said that Mr. McGreevey's legal team had six or seven conversations with Mr. Lowy in the 20 days between that first call and the governor's resignation, and said that Mr. Lowy never laid out the factual basis for any legal complaint. During the third or fourth call, they said, Mr. Lowy first mentioned that Mr. Cipel was accusing Mr. McGreevey of sexually assaulting him but declined to provide details about when or how the alleged assault took place. The advisers said the governor's lawyers asked Mr. Lowy whether they could meet with Mr. Cipel to see whether he would describe the details of his claim, but Mr. Lowy declined to arrange the meeting. Advertisement Late last week, the lawyers spoke for the last time, with Mr. Lowy reportedly repeating his demand for $5 million and the governor's lawyers saying that they would not discuss any possible settlement until they saw some representation of the facts Mr. Cipel intended to use to argue his complaint. On Friday, while reporters were stationed outside courthouses around the state awaiting the filing of any legal papers by Mr. Cipel, the governor's lawyers were also looking to see what the suit would allege, the governor's advisers said. For nearly everyone in the state, the governor's announcement was a shock, but for the staff members who have tied their professional futures to Mr. McGreevey, it was a more personal blow. Aides who the day before were concerned about the direction of government policy suddenly found themselves worrying about their boss and their own careers. "It is a combination of feelings," said Eric Shuffler, the governor's counsel. "People are incredibly proud of the way the governor handled himself, but there are a lot of people who are devastated by the turn of events."Mr. Codey said Friday that he had not made any staffing decisions for his administration. "There may be some people who want to leave, there may be some people who want to stay," he said. Diane Legreide, the governor's chief of management and operations, said Mr. Codey would probably retain much of Mr. McGreevey's staff. "Senator Codey I don't think is going to want to replace an entire staff, which is a very difficult thing to do," she said.
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 It has been quite vitriolic on this "chat" board for months. Chap board? Chap bored? Something like that, maybe, for folks at times. 
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 My word, you do have my sympathy. Marlyn Musgrave and Bill Ownes need to crawl under a rock and die. Now.
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a former israeli navy soldier, 32.
will do it with everyone and everything (for the right money). open to suggestions. contact using private messeging. thanks. 
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My issue with the NY gov. was he ran on family values or at the least implied as such because he and his wife were seen hand in hand everywhere - they were even hand in hand at the "confession" AND her certainly has not said he would leave her even though he shrieked "I am a gay American" and then went on about how his affair was a wrong thing to do to his family. Well, it was, from what we know he lied to his wife and she was not involved in this. But, was he a gay American only when he was banging Cipel, were there others, is he getting a divorce or does she mind being married to a gay American (some people do not
 ) or is he a "cured" gay American (which I assert is impossible)? Interestingly, I totally think all of the the questions in the previous sentence are completely his business and should not from that perspective effect his ability to govern. My problem is he put Cipel, who was an Israeli citizen, up as head of security for NJ after 9/11 when this allegedly unwilling paramour had no credentials to be such. That is a pretty serious thing to do IMO. AND even if he let himself get blackmailed into giving this job or whether he did it to give his willing lover a job, both are act of weakness and show he was incompetent to govern because he was putting his personal life ahead of the needs of the NJ residents. Finally, it is a little disingenuous for him to assert or imply any altruistic goal to save the tax payers of NJ money by resgining in Nov. when he was the one that made this situation. IMO, he should resign now because he has demonstrated that his personal life is negatively effecting the residents of NJ. Sadly, his actions of deciet for personal reasons will once again cost the residents of NJ as well as the D party. But, all of the blame comes down to him.Thus, IMO it matters not whether Cipel was a man or a woman. It matters that the gov. placed his personal needs over the needs of the citizens of NJ.
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Here is an interesting article from of all places Fox News.
McGreevey Reveals Shift in Views on Gays Sunday, August 15, 2004 By Robin Wallace New Jersey politics are notoriously nasty, bizarre and corrupt, but not even the most seasoned or cynical operative or observer was prepared for Gov. Jim McGreevey’s admission on Thursday that he was gay, had cheated on his wife with a man, and was resigning. It was encouraging and heartening, however, that my fellow New Jerseyans — even while reeling from the shock of it all — were able to separate the issue of McGreevey's sexual orientation from the political and practical realities that compelled our governor's resignation. But the tolerance and sympathy expressed by McGreevey's constituents is a relatively new cultural development. The governor grew up and charted his career in a world in which being true to his sexual identity and fulfilling his professional ambitions were largely mutually exclusive goals. One can imagine the pain and suffering that could have been spared had that not been the case. Reading between the lines of all the news reports Friday, it seems a fair assumption that the invaluable political clout the governor was willing to expend — much to the frustration and bafflement of his advisers — to keep the man said to have been his lover in a series of lucrative, well-connected jobs in both the public and private sector, may not have been acts of support for a romantic partner but payoffs to a blackmailer. Golan Cipel’s lack of qualifications and work ethic eventually exhausted even McGreevey's considerable connections, apparently forcing Cipel to seek the easy money — reportedly through a $5 million “sexual harassment” lawsuit. As of Friday afternoon, the suit had not been filed. It has already been branded extortion, and given the facts of the relationship known so far, it's hard to imagine the suit will be viewed as anything more than that. (The governor took a preemptive strike and outed himself ahead of the inevitable.) But one cannot be blackmailed unless one has a secret to hide, and hidden secrets denote shame. Again, had McGreevey not felt compelled — by his blue-collar upbringing, by his Roman Catholicism, by social and familial expectations, by the incontrovertible requirements of a political career of the times — to deny and repress his natural inclinations, he might not have had anything to hide. At least not in his personal life. But corruption and criminality are different matters entirely, and McGreevey’s administration has been embroiled in investigations and scandals completely unrelated to his startling personal revelations. Close associates and members of his administration have been indicted, and McGreevey himself is part of a federal investigation. There was much speculation in New Jersey that McGreevey would not be able to hold on to his office until the end of his term, and that New Jersey Democrats would block him from seeking a second term and replace him on the ticket in 2005. For this reason, McGreevey is an imperfect poster boy for the injustice of intolerance destroying a career. His career was in serious trouble already. In fact, it could be argued that his admission on Thursday deflected attention from the cloud of corruption hanging over his administration; for sure, it engendered public sympathy and support that had been seriously lacking in his approval ratings. No one is suggesting that anyone, let alone McGreevey, would choose this particular path out of office. But for a while Thursday, his adversaries were teetering on a tightrope of political correctness, tempering their usual brutal attacks on the governor so as not to appear anti-gay. But instead of shielding his questionable public life with his sensational private one, the governor handed politicians across the country the opportunity to become gay rights activists. And for the most part, they made the most of it. He didn’t resign because he was gay, his critics said. He resigned because his administration was crumbling. We don’t care that he’s gay; we care that he’s corrupt. On the same day that the Supreme Court of California invalidated the same-sex marriages that had been performed in San Francisco over the winter, the embattled governor of New Jersey had politicians across the country tripping over themselves to express and confirm their tolerance and understanding. For McGreevey, the efforts of his adversaries to distance themselves from the gay issue will likely result only in more vigorous attempts to find criminal evidence against his administration that is unrelated to the sex scandal. That politicians, when cornered, were loath to say or do anything that could be construed as anti-gay, however, also reveals an interesting shift in our culture: Young gays today are coming of age and into professional prominence in a world radically different from the one that produced McGreevey. For gays of McGreevey’s generation and those who came before, society had the option of accepting and benefiting from their talent, work and contributions without accepting them. We have always had gay school teachers and soldiers, politicians and sports heroes. We've also had the option to pretend otherwise. Society no longer has this option, because today’s generation of gays will not stand to be forced to choose between their personal happiness and their professional ambitions. The McGreevey episode is just further evidence of the fallacy of the assumptions we make about who “is” and who is not, and the pain and pointlessness of the personal choices he had to make. We’re either going to have to accept openly gay men and women as our elected officials, school teachers, soldiers, sports heroes, business leaders and parents, or we’re going to have to deal with the consequences of doing without them in those areas. And if we ever deplete the ranks of our best and brightest by that much, we won't be left with much. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128960,00.html
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 This is exactly the reason why residents in this state are asking their rep's to do something about the fact that he does not want to step down until Nov...we want a say in who will govern us and I don't think it's such a huge demand considering the situation. You know, a lot can and has happened in a year and we shouldn't have to leave it up to chance. As I was saying to gldstwmn earlier, if a Democrat has no chance of being elected (which I think he has just as much of a chanceif the right candidate is up for election) it would be the fault of the Democratic party in the state of NJ for having not done something earlier (when McGreevey first started to get himself into hot water and they noticed a problem) AND the fault of McGreevey for disgracing NJ politics and the Democratic Party...NOT because he's gay.
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you know what the funny thing is? that i really AM an ex navy soldier, in fact, that asshole is almost my age, and considering the fact that i served in the base which was the home of 3/5 of the (dangerous. very dangerous) navy, it is more than likely that we were serving on the same base at the same time.
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