A question of wealth.

[diamondsnake]

Originally Posted by dissention

Nope. Check out Behind the Mask.

This isn't really fair. Stevie was on medication, right? She was tired and lacked energy and not herself. Her carreer was at an all time low. Once she lost the weight, got off drugs and got her energy back she would have been "cool" once again. I think that if Chris and Stevie were the front women of FM today (without lindsey) the ticket sales would be just as much as they are and the album sales would be the same or more. However, if it was Christine and Lindsey touring sans Stevie I am sorry to say that I don't think they could charge as much. What casual fan wants to go to a FM show without hearing GDW, Landslide, and Rhiannon? Of course this is all my opinion. It just seemed like at the shows I have been too I have made small talk with people next to me who were all there to see Stevie.

And I really like Lindsey so I am sorry about the twenty dollar comment. I guess I just need to control myself and stop being so defensive of Stevie.

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by David

Very few people saw that tour.

Yup, even some jazz fans must have missed that one 'cos they didn't appreciate the fact that those revered musicians on stage were basing their improvisations on rock songs.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Stevie is also only supporting herself.

You really need to keep reading the Blue Letter Archives and some of the discussions. Stevie supports (and HAS supported) a plethora of people . . . in all sorts of ways.

[face of glass]

Let's elaborate on this then, even though this might turn into an embarrassing monologue.

In 1987 Fleetwood Mac still couldn't entirely rely on nostalgia. They may have adopted some of the regular nostalgia act habits already on the Mirage tour (not changing the setlist, playing only a few songs from the latest album and putting twice as many songs from their biggest selling album into the setlist) and were to adopt more of them on the TITN tour (such as not willing to develop the song arrangements in concert significantly anymore). But they still had to do an album that would sell and they did it with TITN. At that point it definitely didn't matter who was going to be on the tour, Lindsey Buckingham or Rick and Billy; the tour was going to be a guaranteed success anyway. Stevie Nicks' absence would have hurt the tour more, IMO, and the same case with Christine McVie, who once again had the lion's share of the hit singles from TITN.

The thing with Behind The Mask eventually was that it was released in the aftermath of TITN, a huge success worldwide. It didn't really matter how well BTM would sell because also that tour was going to do well, in spite of the content of the album. So at that point we can safely say that FM had most of the nostalgia act functions inserted into them for good. At this point it doesn't matter what is the content of the album; the majority of the concert goers are still there for nostalgia. Repeated to the nth time.

Originally Posted by hayley

This thread is so, so lame.

I partly agree and therefore I should take a hike right now.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

I think that if Chris and Stevie were the front women of FM today (without lindsey) the ticket sales would be just as much as they are and the album sales would be the same or more.

And I really like Lindsey so I am sorry about the twenty dollar comment. I guess I just need to control myself and stop being so defensive of Stevie.

Again, you are totally and clearly missing the contributions of Lindsey to not only the album but the tour. Stevie, by the way, does NOT want to be in a Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey. She's said that.

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by Tango

Stevie, by the way, does NOT want to be in a Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey. She's said that.

Yeah, and we all can guess what conclusions can be drawn from that one. "Mick and John want Stevie in order to sell more, then they need Lindsey too 'cos Stevie says so". It's the package deal again, only the other way around.

[hayley]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

However, if it was Christine and Lindsey touring sans Stevie I am sorry to say that I don't think they could charge as much. What casual fan wants to go to a FM show without hearing GDW, Landslide, and Rhiannon?

Kiddo, your blind adulation of Stevie WILL disappear at some point, and you will realize that no one on the Rumours board HATES Stevie. It is impossible to be a fan of Rumours era Fleetwood Mac and HATE Stevie or HATE Lindsey or HATE Chris- because we are all fans of what they have made TOGETHER. And you'll realize that criticism is perfectly natural and completely acceptable.

Aside from that, what casual fan wants to go to an FM show without hearing You Make Loving Fun, Say You Love Me, Don't Stop (which is being played, but shouldn't be), Hold Me, etc.?

[Cour]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Yeah, but who knows how many shawls Lindsey has bought over the years and isn't telling us about? Eh, eh? One day it will all come out.
I also heard that's what nearly bankrupted Mick too. The shawls.

LOL! That was great.......thanks!

[Tango]

Originally Posted by face of glass

Yeah, and we all can guess what conclusions can be drawn from that one. "Mick and John want Stevie in order to sell more, then they need Lindsey too 'cos Stevie says so". It's the package deal again, only the other way around.

I give him about 10 minutes.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Cour

My point is that some posters continually travel down the same roads over and over again and I'm not riled up I'm just tired of sitting back and saying nothing. Of course I know what Stevie says about her own drug use and poor choices, I don't find a need to bring it up every chance I get.

If you'll scroll back up you'll see that my original comment that got you all riled up was and the context of my post:

"If this is about doing everything possible to make Stevie look more successful financially than Lindsey than no amount of quotes are going to prevent this discussion from being spun in that direction"

From there you brought up hyper-sensitivity, jumping to conclusions and your amusement that some fans seem to have a problem when someone puffs Stevie up.

I am not trying to start anything over the slapping incident, I brought it up to make a point. Did you think the original poster was trying to start anything a few months ago when they opened that thread with that topic and FIRE AWAY? It would have been understandable if a new poster or fan was curious about the topic and started that type of thread. But when a seasoned poster starts the thread with no opinion of their own but wanting input from others in the form of FIRE AWAY, I think they're trying to start something. I'm not the only one who thinks this way but if you don't, that's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine and I'm entitled to call them on it when I see a pattern of the same thing over and over again no matter how big a fan they say they are.

Some fans just are drawn to it and can't help themselves from bringing up anything negative to tarnish the other member just a little more.

Trust me, I cringe whenever I see those types of threads, too. With no offense meant to anyone, I absolutely hate the "Who's your favorite/least favorite" types of threads, or the "Who's the better songwriter," etc., etc., and I'd rather we found other topics of discussion.

I readily admit that I enjoy a good debate... it keeps things lively... but I can't see anything positive coming out of those particular types of threads.

I can't lie and say that I'm not a bit biased towards certain members. I have my favorites, and there's no way around that (for anyone keeping score, it's Stevie first, followed by Lindsey, followed by Christine. Then Bob Welch & Peter Green, next Rick Vito, then Danny Kirwan, and so on), but I still prefer to think of them as "team-mates" rather than rivals, and it sucks that they're so often pitted against each other.

Still, I didn't get a vibe from Jason's posts that he was somehow trying to bash Lindsey, or pit Lindsey and Stevie against each other in some sort of "who has the bigger toys" type argument.
Your statement that that's what he was doing, seemed undeserved to me, and that's why I felt the need to comment.

We're on the same side, Cour.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Cour

Actually, I had heard he had spent weeks at a time with Cheri in the Four Seasons. Maybe he just likes living in hotels

Well, if you're gonna live in a hotel, that's the one to do it in. I would never leave my room.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Cour

I know similar things to you and without the land that house did not cost 10 million dollars to build, but that's a nice high round number .

When this discussion went down this road it was pointed out that since we don't know any accurate information about the band members personal finances it might be wise to not attach monetary figures to thing we don't know anything about. I don't think anything good can ever come about speculating about other peoples finances and commenting about the way they spend their money. You're free to do so but that's why these discussions take this road, you know...opinions, everyone has one

Well, we could always check county records and see what the tax assessment is. They are, after all, public records. I, of course, would never do such a thing.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Cour

Someone should tell him he needs to eat some donuts and get off those Wheat Thins.

I don't know if it was actually Tony, I was told it was. I suppose fans who are more familiar with who was Stevie's manager at the time she gained the weight would know if it could have been Tony.

Well, she did and he was.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

When she's out on tour by herself, she's pinching her pennies because her tours don't make a lot of money. Enchanted was a flop, especially considering that she was hot off the Dance. The otur itself grossed $8 mil, her take from that wasn't much. And TISL didn't do so hot, although it did better than Enchanted.

See, this is when I get a bit nitpicky... which, in turn, is when I then get blamed for "rushing to defend Stevie."

But I think the use of the word "flop" is a bit extreme when discussing a tour that grossed 8 million dollars, and inherently a statement like that is bound to cause people to disagree (and then, as so often happens, they're accused of being blind to reality).

It's certainly not the highest-grossing tour Stevie has ever had, and it's definitely not in league with the kind of numbers Fleetwood Mac typically does... but a "flop" it's not.

Maybe your idea of a "flop" and my idea of a "flop" are two different things. But I've certainly never considered anything that grossed millions of dollars, to have been a flop (and that includes 'Tusk').

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by David

I may be in the minority here, but I believe that Stevie has never actually tried cocaine. That view probably sounds a little unhinged to fellow fans.

I feel that Stevie's comments need to be taken in context here. I think what she meant was that she had spent a lot of money on her nose, but not on snorting drugs up inside her nose. I think what she's referring to is makeup & stuff like that which she puts on the outside of her nose -- if her nose is shiny, etc.

What do others think?

I think you're warped... in the best way possible.