A question of wealth.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Cour

So are you saying there wouldn't have to be any fee paid to Destinys Child in order for Stevie to use the Bootylicious song in her show?

I don't think so. Maybe an Ascap or BMI fee like restaurants and stores and such have to pay for playing music over a PA though.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by dissention

It couldn't have been Tony, no freakin' way.

No way? There's always a way. Well, you can call him. Karen did. LB's management info is listed here on the site.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by hayley

That's not true at all, actually.

Every venue, large or small, arena or bar/club, has to pay BMI and ASCAP for any songs played on their premises, whether it's from a live act or even over a P.A. (in the case of "Bootylicious" during the TISL tour).

Most venues do this by paying a flat fee for year-round licenses from both BMI and ASCAP, and occasionally SESAC. They do report what songs are played to the organizations, and the moneys collected from these flat fee licenses are then divvied up and paid to the songwriters, generally on a quarterly basis.

It's nothing to make a living off of, but FM does actually get paid for playing their OWN songs in concert.

Oops... I was still posting responses to older posts, and hadn't caught yours until just now, Hayley.
Sorry for repeating.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Tango

LOL! I'm hoping LB's wife is a SHOPPER! Keep the man working!

So, you read the Town & Country article?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by John Run

One final aside. Both the Ritz Carlton and the Four Seasons offer what the they call "residences." They are large apartments that are leased on a long term basis to people who will be calling the hotel home for a while. While they are not cheap, they are not 150k per month either. They usually run around 25-30k per month.

I know. I have friends who have participated in those programs at both of these hotel chains for long term stays. Although I knew they received some reduction in the daily rate, I did not know the rate was that reduced. I think that much of a reduction makes it actually quite a good deal if you consider the hotel's services (laundry, room service, parking, etc. ) can be discounted as well (my friends' were) and to rent a comparable furnished house or other accomodations in that style and area would be at least that much or more. Why oh why can't one of my friends adopt me

AND - thanks for clarifying the other info. As always, you are great for giving us this information and I thank you for it!!!!!!! My hat is off to you!!!!!!

[Tango]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

So, you read the Town & Country article?

You mean this one:

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.ph..._v2&id=897&c=9

Yep! Thank you Les, btw.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Not at all, but the ferocity and ridiculousness that some folks have when it comes to her is a bit off-putting and puts them in a bad light more oft than not. The sky would obviously be blue, but if Stevie said it was green, those people would agree 100%.

I don't disagree, not at all... but, again, I see the same "ferocity" and "ridiculousness" on the part of fans of other Mac band members, too.

I'd say that perhaps it seems more prevalent in regards to Stevie, because she tends to have a larger fanbase than the other members, and therefore more potential for having that type of fan... but then I have no doubt that that comment could and would be misconstrued as my saying that Lindsey isn't as well-loved as Stevie, and that... therefore... Stevie is better.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Cour

Thanks for all the information, John.

The 10 million dollar figure being thrown around for Lindsey's new home is also inaccurate. He's owned the property since the late seventies and that house did not cost 10 million dollars to build.

I know people who have built similar houses with similar furnishings here in Atlanta, Southhampton, and one or two actually in Bel Air. I also know what architects and interior decorators at the level they hired generally charge. That is what I was basing that figure on. So, take that for what it is worth. Again, I do not fault him for spending any money. It is his money. Also, it could have been less. I am not saying I know for sure. I am just basing a general figure on what I have seen with my own two eyes in what other similarly situated people have done and in the pics. and text in that mag. article

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by dissention

And how would you know that?

The whole reason he's out on the road now is for the money, he's pretty much said as much.

I swear, some people must have telepathic links to the Mac members.

I said I doubted it, not that I knew it to be false. And I DO doubt it; he obviously cares about how much money he's making, but does he focus on whether or not it's more than what Stevie's making? IMHO, no. So I was only doing as much mind reading as you were when you said "I don't think he'd stand for it." We're both making qualified assumptions; they happen to disagree.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by Cour

I just heard about this recently, someone said it was Tony Dimitriades.......Lindsey's current manager

lol! I heard that too! Wonder if he's the one that put Lindsey on Wheat Thins?

[Cour]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Stevie's excesses and past drug problems are talked about in great detail more often than not ("over and over again"), and I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to deny that she's led a very lavish lifestyle or deny that she had an extremely expensive drug habit.
My goodness, even Stevie herself openly admits that! Stevie also admits that the tons of money she snorted up her nose over the years, should have been better spent on something important, like leukemia research.
So what's the point you're trying to make?

Again, Jason was simply touching on the notion that Lindsey rarely, if ever, spent large amounts of money... so he was pointing out areas in which Lindsey did spend money. It wasn't "Lindsey-bashing," by a long shot, and it certainly didn't sound negative to me. Or some thinly-veiled attempt to make Stevie look better.



Yes, because no one has ever talked disparagingly about Stevie to try and make Lindsey look better.
I'm not saying I agree with it when either side does it, or that because one faction does it, the other should do it too... but to not see/admit that there are also some Lindsey-fans who nitpick at Stevie to "puff him up," is being blind.
(Just as it would be blindness on the part of someone who doesn't see that some Stevie fans engage in the same behavior.)

But I just don't see that as being what's happening here. And while Jason openly admits that he's a bigger fan of Stevie's, it's also a pretty well-known fact that he's a huge Lindsey fan, and has a huge amount of respect and admiration for him. So it's not like he's out to bring Lindsey down, or bash him.

He wasn't questioning Lindsey's choices, or his character, and I just don't see a reason to get all riled up.

(By the way, you're the only one bringing up the "slapping incident"... and repeatedly, I might add. Are you trying to start something?)

I've lost 2 posts now so I'm going to try to keep this brief.

My point is that some posters continually travel down the same roads over and over again and I'm not riled up I'm just tired of sitting back and saying nothing. Of course I know what Stevie says about her own drug use and poor choices, I don't find a need to bring it up every chance I get.

If you'll scroll back up you'll see that my original comment that got you all riled up was and the context of my post:

"If this is about doing everything possible to make Stevie look more successful financially than Lindsey than no amount of quotes are going to prevent this discussion from being spun in that direction"

From there you brought up hyper-sensitivity, jumping to conclusions and your amusement that some fans seem to have a problem when someone puffs Stevie up.

I am not trying to start anything over the slapping incident, I brought it up to make a point. Did you think the original poster was trying to start anything a few months ago when they opened that thread with that topic and FIRE AWAY? It would have been understandable if a new poster or fan was curious about the topic and started that type of thread. But when a seasoned poster starts the thread with no opinion of their own but wanting input from others in the form of FIRE AWAY, I think they're trying to start something. I'm not the only one who thinks this way but if you don't, that's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine and I'm entitled to call them on it when I see a pattern of the same thing over and over again no matter how big a fan they say they are.

If you want to continue this you can PM me. I only got involved in this discussion to post some quotes to prevent this from leading down this same Stevie VS Lindsey road again. Some fans just are drawn to it and can't help themselves from bringing up anything negative to tarnish the other member just a little more.

[Cour]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Funny thing is, to my recollection, he never lived like that until he had the wife and kids. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a shipper BTW.

Actually, I had heard he had spent weeks at a time with Cheri in the Four Seasons. Maybe he just likes living in hotels

[Cour]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know people who have built similar houses with similar furnishings here in Atlanta, Southhampton, and one or two actually in Bel Air. I also know what architects and interior decorators at the level they hired generally charge. That is what I was basing that figure on. So, take that for what it is worth. Again, I do not fault him for spending any money. It is his money. Also, it could have been less. I am not saying I know for sure. I am just basing a general figure on what I have seen with my own two eyes in what other similarly situated people have done and in the pics. and text in that mag. article

I know similar things to you and without the land that house did not cost 10 million dollars to build, but that's a nice high round number .

When this discussion went down this road it was pointed out that since we don't know any accurate information about the band members personal finances it might be wise to not attach monetary figures to thing we don't know anything about. I don't think anything good can ever come about speculating about other peoples finances and commenting about the way they spend their money. You're free to do so but that's why these discussions take this road, you know...opinions, everyone has one

[diamondsnake]

Originally Posted by dissention

How do you come to the conclusion that she's made the most money? A few of her tours were flops (even though the SA tour was simply brillaint and amazing), she blew a LOT of her money on coke up to '86, her albums sold less and less, etc. My word, even STEVIE said that Lindsey has made more money than all of them.

Again, she is not the main draw to a Fleetwood Mac concert, the main draw is Fleetwood Mac. If she was the biggest draw, her solo tours would be blockbusters. They are not. She's making the same amount of money off of the tour as Lindsey, just as she's making the same as he on the SYW album. Actually, I believe he's making even more than her on that because Peacekeeper was pretty big hit for him.

NOTE: Don't automatically assume that I'm putting Stevie down by saying that Lindsey has more money. None of those statements reflect anything about the quality of her work.

Yes, but she said that Lindsey had more money, when? The early 90's? I'm not sure. Assuming it was the early 90's then she has done tons more stuff to make her a lot of money since then. Two tours, a box set that is nothing but profit (just a bunch of old tracks thrown together), a come-back solo album, her landslide dixie chicks money (Millions of dollars), the dance tour and album sales, and the syw tour and album sales. All lindsey has done is the the dance tour and album and the syw tour and album. Stevie is also only supporting herself. When she is out on these tours she is not shopping or spending tons of money. I assume things like hotel, limos and other amenities are included in the tour budget. if i am right then she really doesn't spend any money for months even years at a time. Lindsey has a wife that for all we know is spending hundreds of thousands a day on clothes or jewelery or whatever. who knows? that is all just a guess.

And Fleetwood Mac would have never even been mainstream popular if not for Stevie's Rhiannon single. From what I have read, everyone credits that song with the success of the white album and how it secured the success of rumours.

And saying that the main draw in fleetwood mac is fleetwood mac is obvious. What I am trying to say is that if Stevie left the band it would hurt ticket sales much, much more then if Lindsey left the band.

And her solo tours are not as huge as FM tours, but isn't she still able to charge 100 dollars a ticket? That is pretty good!

Also, everyone is saying that Stevie spent so much money on coke, but is it really that expensive? I have never purchased it, but maybe someone else could fill me in. It just seems like for someone who is easily making millions of dollars a year a drug habit wouldn't put that much of a dent in her bank account.

[Cour]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

lol! I heard that too! Wonder if he's the one that put Lindsey on Wheat Thins?

Someone should tell him he needs to eat some donuts and get off those Wheat Thins.

I don't know if it was actually Tony, I was told it was. I suppose fans who are more familiar with who was Stevie's manager at the time she gained the weight would know if it could have been Tony.