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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interestingly, POTU was a hit dance single with the help of two very hot DJ's at the time

I was tarred and feathered last year when I said that.

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Originally Posted by face of glass

I've never thought that status has much to do with the artist(s) him/herself/themselves, the popularity in that area seems to have more to do with the remixer of the track.

Exactly. But that's a blasphemous statement around these parts, Gaius.

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Originally Posted by dissention

. . . And to say that Stevie herself got the biggest ovation at Divas Live is just ridiculous.

I do not know what you watched , but when Stevie hauled out on stage with the Dixie Chicks they got huge applause - people stood and were singing along with them. To me, that can be called on of the largest ovations at the Divas. So, while certainly the DC received some of that applause because at that time they were VERY popular and would have goten it without Stevie, Stevie's presence certainly added to the excitement of seeing that live performace because although the DC received a large response when they were onstage by themselves, the DC got a larger response when Stevie was there with them Of course the beauty of the song on its own coupled with peoples' familiarity with it and the IMO glowing version of it added to that response, but Stevie was part of all of that. So, I conclude Stevie got one of the largest ovations at The Diva's, which is saying alot because Cher also got one - I mean when you haul out dressed as Elvis . . .

In any event, that is my take of it. I do not expect anyone to agree with me because it is all subject to personal interpretation and that is mine

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Originally Posted by trackaghost

but there are songs off Rock A Little and TOSOTM that are still played on the radio now. Pretty good going by my standards, why isn't that good enough for you?

Not in the States, darling. Although I think Rooms On Fire, No Spoken Word, I Can't Wait, Long Way To Go, Ooh My Love, and most of the other songs should be radio staples.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I do not know what you watched , but when Stevie hauled out on stage with the Dixie Chicks they got huge applause - people stood and were singing along with them. To me, that can be called on of the largest ovations at the Divas. So, while certainly the DC received some of that applause because at that time they were VERY popular and would have goten it without Stevie, Stevie's presence certainly added to the excitement of seeing that live performace because although the DC received a large response when they were onstage by themselves, the DC got a larger response when Stevie was there with them Of course the beauty of the song on its own coupled with peoples' familiarity with it and the IMO glowing version of it added to that response, but Stevie was part of all of that. So, I conclude Stevie got one of the largest ovations at The Diva's, which is saying alot because Cher also got one - I mean when you haul out dressed as Elvis . . .

In any event, that is my take of it. I do not expect anyone to agree with me because it is all subject to personal interpretation and that is mine

Yeah, she got one of the biggest, but to say she alone got the BIGGEST is absurd. If I recall correctly, Cher got the biggest ovation when she came out dolled-up like Elvis. They went ape****.

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Originally Posted by trackaghost

I know, you're right. I guess sometimes I miss Gaius's point because well, (sorry Gaius) his posts can be quite long y'know...

No offense to Gaius, but his posts are like candy bars. I can take a small bite at a time. But I do love reading what he says.

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Originally Posted by dissention

Exactly. But that's a blasphemous statement around these parts, Gaius.

True, but I do not think the track would have been remixed by two of the hottest out there then if it had been by an unknown and if they did not like the track. Tracy Yound speciically said it was an honor equal to remixing Madonna's Ray of Light (I think that is one she remixed). Tracy Young also told me personally that she loved the song and it was a thrill to remix it. I think somewhere in those sales is Stevie's popularity. I can remember when it first came out people were excited and saying while dancing things like I love Stevie, this is a cool song, those lyrics are so cool, chanting "You won't forget you won't forget you won't foget" while dancing. So, yes there is no question having Tracy Young and VC do the remixes was a huge thing, the song was still Stevie's and that fact certainly added to the sales of that. How could it not. So, I think when people say the dance remixes of POTU were popular, it is a bit unfair to attribute all of the success to TY and VC. Some of the success must go to Steive herself because she wrote it and sang it

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Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, she got one of the biggest, but to say she alone got the BIGGEST is absurd. If I recall correctly, Cher got the biggest ovation when she came out dolled-up like Elvis. They went ape****.

You use biggest twice in the same sentence It was one of the biggest. No question in my mind. But, it was not as big as Cher as Elvis. That probably was the biggest of the evening 's ovations.

LOL - I often wonder who the hell would want to follow Cher as Elvis Talk about a hard act to follow

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You use biggest twice in the same sentence It was one of the biggest. No question in my mind. But, it was not as big as Cher as Elvis. That probably was the biggest of the evening 's ovations.

LOL - I often wonder who the hell would want to follow Cher as Elvis Talk about a hard act to follow

A very hard act to follow. Stevie would have to come dressed as Ole Blue Eyes with Nancy's famous boots for added effect.

And I used it thrice.

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Originally Posted by trackaghost

Not even Talk To Me and Rooms On Fire? Weird. They often play those here in England and Stevie wasn't even that big here as a solo artist.
Hmmm, I shalln't take your word for it until someone else confirms it!

Of course someone is going to come in here and say that they hear "Rooms On Fire" all the time just to build Stevie up. That's how it works around here.

And wasn't OSOTM a big hit in the UK?

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

True, but I do not think the track would have been remixed by two of the hottest out there then if it had been by an unknown and if they did not like the track. Tracy Yound speciically said it was an honor equal to remixing Madonna's Ray of Light (I think that is one she remixed). Tracy Young also told me personally that she loved the song and it was a thrill to remix it. I think somewhere in those sales is Stevie's popularity. I can remember when it first came out people were excited and saying while dancing things like I love Stevie, this is a cool song, those lyrics are so cool, chanting "You won't forget you won't forget you won't foget" while dancing. So, yes there is no question having Tracy Young and VC do the remixes was a huge thing, the song was still Stevie's and that fact certainly added to the sales of that. How could it not. So, I think when people say the dance remixes of POTU were popular, it is a bit unfair to attribute all of the success to TY and VC. Some of the success must go to Steive herself because she wrote it and sang it

There's no queston that it being Stevie added to the sales. However, the song would not have been serviced to clubs if Tracy Young or VC had not remixed it. It was a hit because of the mixers, it just happened to be a good song that they were remixing. People heard a good mix and went to buy it. But without the mixers, the song would've been dead int he water. Call it speculation, but I know how clubs operate when it comes to their playlists and they calculate them based on the remixers, not the artists.

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Originally Posted by dissention

he's more than capable of speaking for himself ( )

And I'm also equally capable of embarrassing myself around here , being the obsessive nitpicker that I am.

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Isn't that kinda unfair though? TISL is only a few years old, hardly enough time for it to reach classic status.

I agree in that you can't call a relatively recent song a classic; you have to wait for some time for that. I usually wait for two decades or something like that but it's different for other people, I know.

...there are songs off Rock A Little and TOSOTM that are still played on the radio now. Pretty good going by my standards, why isn't that good enough for you?

I don't know if you're speaking of the British radio here, or even the radio station that you like to listen to (you know, the one that supposedly plays even album tracks from SYW). What songs have you heard in addition to "Talk To Me" (everyone knows that was her biggest solo hit in USA) and "Rooms On Fire" (her biggest solo hit in the UK) and "HAEWAFY" (which was never that successful on the charts but obviously has earned its place as the traditional Stevie set closer)?
I don't think you measure this through mere radioplay. You also measure this through the crowd response in concerts and I think that's a huge factor for Stevie as well. She hasn't felt the need to play "Talk To Me" or "Rooms On Fire" on stage lately, btw.
Why isn't it good enough for me? What does my opinion matter here anyway? I'm just a drop in the ocean. I don't think Stevie's ever been washed-up, not even on Street Angel. But maybe I just identify with her personality too much.

Any older act owes a huge part of its following to the nostalgia factor.

Of course, but when I saw Snwriter saying that Stevie is still a superstar, I had to roll my eyes. Ok, she is a superstar, but a superstar who relies mainly on nostalgia, not just in her audience but also in her setlist selections (who knows, maybe she is too afraid of trying a lot of new or different stuff on stage every night ) and her appeal right now is restricted to North America only. A global superstar she isn't, probably not even when she goes on tour with Fleetwood Mac.

You have to admit though Gaius there's an abnormal amount of young people on this board for a band that have been going for so long. I realise older fans might not feel inclined to check out a messageboard, but still, it cetainly shows that Stevie and Lindsey have a fair amount of young fans out there.

Well I'm glad of this too. We see a lot of young people around here because they still have the time and the passion for Fleetwood Mac. I don't think there's that much of the huge nostalgia crowd around here; they most likely wouldn't even feel the need to discuss one mere rock and roll band to this extent. Or to even post the one obligatory "I'm new here" post.
Who knows, maybe there's a nostalgia factor involved for some of us younger ones also. You know, that vibe of wanting to see the band in its glory days when they were still young and "Rhiannon" was a monster, etc. Young people who don't like SYW that much? There's some of them around here for sure (btw, did you ever read this review: http://desperado.scvnet.com/~philh/w...ages/1749.html)

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I know, you're right. I guess sometimes I miss Gaius's point because well, (sorry Gaius) his posts can be quite long y'know...

Originally Posted by dissention

No offense to Gaius, but his posts are like candy bars. I can take a small bite at a time.

You know I love you both for that.

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Originally Posted by dissention

There's no queston that it being Stevie added to the sales. However, the song would not have been serviced to clubs if Tracy Young or VC had not remixed it. It was a hit because of the mixers, it just happened to be a good song that they were remixing. People heard a good mix and went to buy it. But without the mixers, the song would've been dead int he water. Call it speculation, but I know how clubs operate when it comes to their playlists and they calculate them based on the remixers, not the artists.

I agree and think we are talking about two different things and it is a "chicken or the egg" argument. In the end, I think it is the combination of both that lead to its huge success.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In the end, I think it is the combination of both that lead to its huge success.

Yeah, I think the vocalist has something to do in there as well, and so does John Shanks' original production. I don't think it was played in gay discos only.

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Originally Posted by dissention

A very hard act to follow. Stevie would have to come dressed as Ole Blue Eyes with Nancy's famous boots for added effect.

And I used it thrice.

You said:

Yeah, she got one of the biggest, but to say she alone got the BIGGEST is absurd. If I recall correctly, Cher got the biggest ovation when she came out dolled-up like Elvis. They went ape****.

I responded "You use biggest twice in the same sentence" -
Where is the third in the same sentence - there are two sentences? Touche'

Also, I think Stevie in a cowgirl outfit with six shooters would have been hysterical. A little Patsy Cline to fit the country motif.