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dissention · #**406** 06-29-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I said it in reference to the initial negotiations - I REPEATEDLY said I was not referring to the actual time Blix was there. If I ever did, show me where I did. You cannot. But, you cannot ever admit being wrong, which you are here and you know it and the interchage posted above proves it.

Bull****. You never differentiated, you're trying to do it now to cover your ass over what you lied about. He never played those games even during the initial negotiations. Didn't you read the quotes I posted? I can post plenty of articles where Blix said he expects full cooperation with the negotiations and plenty of articles where he states that's what he received.

**mylittledemon** · #**407** 06-29-2004, 01:33 PM

Well there's no swaying here either way. People believe what they want to, blindly or not. I'm going to bow out of this discussion considering I'm starting to insult fellow Ledgies, and that's not the idea, nor my original intention.

What I'm proud of the most is, at least we are all taking a stand on something. And that's better than not voting at all. Those are the worst kind.

As for my comments about Clinton being a sexual deviant. Yes...oral sex with another woman counts. Especially when you are MARRIED. Hello?!

Michael Moore is a business man in the end. He's trying to make a living. Maybe it's not "all" about the money, but in the END he's a guy trying to make a dollar like the rest of us.

And opposing Bush means you are a proponent of Kerry? I don't believe that view is "shockingly narrow." It's logical and realistic! We all know that 3rd party candidates NEVER win. They merely take votes away one from the other. It's always Rep vs. Democrat, and one of them WILL win. So you take the lesser of the two evils and pick one. It's your right and privilege as an American to do so.

PS. Lindsey Buckingham for president!

Bella Figura · #**408** 06-29-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca

With all due respect, it seems all the conservatives ever seem to be able to do around here is to jump in, make claims of lies and distortions, and when they are challenged to back up the claims, they bow out.

Doesn't make your side of the aisle look that good, does it?

last man standing wins!!

dissention · #**409** 06-29-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Well there's no swaying here either way. People believe what they want to, blindly or not. I'm going to bow out of this discussion considering I'm starting to insult fellow Ledgies, and that's not the idea, nor my original intention.

What I'm proud of the most is, at least we are all taking a stand on something. And that's better than not voting at all. Those are the worst kind.

As for my comments about Clinton being a sexual deviant. Yes...oral sex with another woman counts. Especially when you are MARRIED. Hello?!

Michael Moore is a business man in the end. He's trying to make a living. Maybe it's not "all" about the money, but in the END he's a guy trying to make a dollar like the rest of us.

And opposing Bush means you are a proponent of Kerry? I don't believe that view is "shockingly narrow." It's logical and realistic! We all know that 3rd party candidates NEVER win. They merely take votes away one from the other. It's always Rep vs. Democrat, and one of them WILL win. So you take the lesser of the two evils and pick one. It's your right and privilege as an American to do so.

PS. Lindsey Buckingham for president!

Still not backing up your claim that Kerry would apologize to terrorists, eh?

Still not explaining any of the lies or half-truths you saw in the film, huh?

Bella Figura · #**410** 06-29-2004, 01:36 PM

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And opposing Bush means you are a proponent of Kerry? I don't believe that view is "shockingly narrow." It's logical and realistic! We all know that 3rd party candidates NEVER win. They merely take votes away one from the other. It's always Rep vs. Democrat, and one of them WILL win. So you take the lesser of the two evils and pick one. It's your right and privilege as an American to do so.

this is why we need to redo the whole thing, this two party system is beginning to fail the American people...

gldstwmn · #**411** 06-29-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella Figura

I could not have done that and kept up with this thread...but the money thing is a good point, I'm sure MM would not be happy if people just downloaded his film...and I don't want to be dismissed because I illegally pirated his work...

never mind, glddstwmn just pointed out the film for free but to me it's still a sermon, free or not. Church is free too...

so now I'm even more pissed off

Well, you realize that no matter what anyone says, with this argument, you're setting yourself up not to be happy.
I wish you happiness.

strandinthewind · #**412** 06-29-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Bull****. You never differentiated, you're trying to do it now to cover your ass over what you lied about. He never played those games even during the initial negotiations. Didn't you read the quotes I posted? I can post plenty of articles where Blix said he expects full cooperation with the negotiations and plenty of articles where he states that's what he received.

Did you not read the interchanges I posted above. I explained more than once I was NOT talking about when Blix was there. i was talking about when SH tried to negotiate his palaces out of the areas for inspection. I am a little taken aback that you would be co cruel to me in this. I ALWAYS argue with a stright face. I always back down when I am wrong. AND - I have never lied. I have misremembered, but I willingly have admitted that in the past. Sadly, you cannot do the same - I think it is because you know to admit my point will lend creedence to W and the far left, which you are, can never do that.

dissention · #**413** 06-29-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Did you not read the interchanges I posted above. I explained more than once I was NOT talking about when Blix was there. i was talking about when SH tried to negotiate his palaces out of the areas for inspection. I am a little taken aback that you would be co cruel to me in this. I ALWAYS argue with a stright face. I always back down when I am wrong. AND - I have never lied. I have misremembered, but I willingly have admitted that in the past. Sadly, you cannot do the same - I think it is because you know to admit my point will lend creedence to W and the far left, which you are, can never do that. What a pity.

I'm done with this argument with you, Jason. You know I like you a helluva lot and I don't want to change that, even if you did lie.

CarneVaca · #**414** 06-29-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

As for my comments about Clinton being a sexual deviant. Yes...oral sex with another woman counts. Especially when you are MARRIED. Hello?!

Hello?! yourself. You are confusing "deviance" with "infidelity." Two very different things. Something is deviant or isn't. It isn't only deviant if...

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And opposing Bush means you are a proponent of Kerry? I don't believe that view is "shockingly narrow." It's logical and realistic! We all know that 3rd party candidates NEVER win. They merely take votes away one from the other. It's always Rep vs. Democrat, and one of them WILL win. So you take the lesser of the two evils and pick one.

You really have a problem with confusing things, don't you? You're confusing pragmatism now with conviction. As a result of my conviction, I oppose both Bush and Kerry. If I were pragmatic about voting, I would take one or the other.

The inability to tell the difference definitely qualifies as "shockingly narrow," even for a republican.

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It's your right and privilege as an American to do so

SHow me in the constitution where it says that it is my right, or privilege, to vote either for a Democrat or a Republican. It is my right, not a privilege, to vote. Whom I vote for is also my right, but my right does not limit my choices to two. My right doesn't even prevent me from not voting.

By the way, a right is one thing. A privilege is another.

gldstwmn · #**415** 06-29-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

We all did it on a regular basis with every other political thread. There's nothing in Moore's film that we haven't seen or heard before, sans the Iraq footage and Lila Lipscomb.

I also had never seen the military document before. It was quite shocking to me.
Also, many people's response was "We didn't know." "We never knew." Funny, that's the same thing a lot of people said after the Holocaust. But there I go with my Bush/Hitler thing again.

Bella Figura · #**416** 06-29-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Well, you realize that no matter what anyone says, with this argument, you're setting yourself up not to be happy.
I wish you happiness.

no happiness for me, don't keep me doped with religion, sex (well maybe a little of that) and tv...John Lennon again. I want to be fully aware when they chop my head off with a sword ... you gotta love what the Italian said...

dissention · #**417** 06-29-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I also had never seen the military document before. It was quite shocking to me.
Also, many people's response was "We didn't know." "We never knew." Funny, that's the same thing a lot of people said after the Holocaust. But there I go with my Bush/Hitler thing again.

Yeah, that was new, too. And some of the info on Shrub's crappy oil companies was news to me.

strandinthewind · #**418** 06-29-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I'm done with this argument with you, Jason. You know I like you a helluva lot and I don't want to change that, even if you did lie.

I do like you too, but you calling me liar is utter and complete BS and I will not stand for it - you know me better than that. You have not and cannot supported you accusation despite my begging you to do so.

So walk away if you want. But, you walk away wrong. I have cleared my name from your lies about it.

Again, please show me where I said I was talking about Blix when I made the cat and mouse with the palaces statement and I will gladly call myself a liar. until then, do not call me a liar of this because that is hurtful, wrong, and untrue of you to do so and you know it.