Producer for a new album - Page 8

dissention · #**106** 06-25-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost

I think it's fair to say she was experiencing hard times in her life back then and it was reflected in the quality of the music.

Now everyone will quote you and nod their heads in agreement with what I've been saying all along, only coming from you.

dissention · #**107** 06-25-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by snwriter

Dissention:

Why not change your image of Stevie from the "Hold Me" video to the cover of "Street Angel"!

I can only gag once a day, you know.

strandinthewind · #**108** 06-25-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Now everyone will quote you and nod their heads in agreement with what I've been saying all along, only coming from you.

Yea, but it was said in a nicer way. Lord I love ya honey, but when you use words like garbage, awful, horrible, etc. when referring to any member of FM, you gotta know it is gonna raise some blood pressures

I am not saying what you are saying is wrong or that you are not calling it as you see it; I am just saying it is the manner it is said. Then again, I think Doclands is the biggest peice of junk ever to come out of goatwoman

- so I am just as guilty of it too

Johnny Stew · #**109** 06-25-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

And that's your right, as is mine to say that I don't like most of her stuff from the nineties. But you can't possibly say that you're very objective about it.

j/k

I may not be 100% objective (although I still think that by the very definition, a "fan" can never be wholly objective anyway... even when they try to profess that they are), and I admit that I cringe at lines about laundromats and chimpanzees, too.
But I still do not agree that it was all as bad as many people like to make it out to be. And certainly none of it is reason enough to write off an entire time-period.

This is not a dig at you, dissention, but sometimes I think folks tend to seize onto the "less than stellar" stuff, and make a big issue out of it, in order to prove to someone, somewhere, that they're above being an "average fan."

I also don't think that folks who DO like Stevie's late-'80s and '90s material are incapable of being objective.
After all, they're able to discern between music they do like and music they don't, and that requires objectivity.

And finally, I don't believe that the typical Nicks fan feels that every other Nicks fan has to love EVERY song, or they're somehow less than a fan... maybe it comes off that way, but I think some of them just object to the notion that her music during that time-period was "utter crap" and "completely worthless," being presented as if it's a fact that they're incapable of grasping or admitting.

Johnny Stew · #**110** 06-25-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Now everyone will quote you (trackaghost) and nod their heads in agreement with what I've been saying all along, only coming from you.

Well, I've always said that it's all in how one says something.

strandinthewind · #**111** 06-25-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Out of those songs, I only consider five of those to be true rockers (I was glad SDMHA was dropped after Atlanta, it didn't sound good on that tour).

Nonetheless, it still stands as one of my favorite tours. It's tied with SA.

Lord Child - I know you knew I was gonna have to call you on this

The NINE (9) clear rockers are:

Enchanted
Gold Dust Woman
Gold and Braid
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Stand Back
Rhiannon
Whole Lotta Trouble
Edge of Seventeen
I Need to Know (encore)

The two lighter rockers, but rockers nonetheless as opposed to ballads, are:

Outside The Rain
Dreams

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In any event, I do agree with you that starting with The Dance and ignoring the lethargic TOSOTM tour, the energy level of La Nicks has lessened. I do not fault her for it. She is older and that is just life. LONG LIVE LA NICKS!!!!!!!!!

dissention · #**112** 06-25-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

But I still do not agree that it was all as bad as many people like to make it out to be. And it's certainly not of it is reason enough to write off an entire time-period.

I can't get over the fact that the woman who wrote Sable On Blonde and Outside the Rain wrote Listen to the Rain and Jane. That's reason enough for me to write-off that era.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

This is not a dig at you, dissention, but sometimes I think folks tend to seize onto the "less than stellar" stuff, and make a big issue out of it, in order to prove to someone, somewhere, that they're above being an "average fan."

That certianly doesn't describe me. The topic of this thread is about a producer for Stevie's next album and who we thought would do a good job. Obviously debates are going to arise over ehr past producers and their work. I am an average fan and my opinions are no better than anyone else's.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And finally, I don't believe that the typical Nicks fan feels that every other Nicks fan has to love EVERY song, or they're somehow less than a fan... maybe it comes off that way, but I think some of them just object to the notion that her music during that time-period was "utter crap" and "completely worthless," being presented as if it's a fact that they're incapable of grasping or admitting.

If they don't feel that way, they shouldn't lace their posts with it.

And, whethe ror not you were referring to me, everyone can check my posts in this thread and clearly see that I almost always let it be known that what I was posting was simply my opinion.

dissention · #**113** 06-25-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Well, I've always said that it's all in how one says something.

I'll be sure to include much fawning and over-the-top tactfulness in all of my upcoming posts.

dissention · #**114** 06-25-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Lord Child - I know you knew I was gonna have to call you on this

The NINE (9) clear rockers are:

Enchanted
Gold Dust Woman
Gold and Braid
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Stand Back
Rhiannon
Whole Lotta Trouble
Edge of Seventeen
I Need to Know (encore)

The two lighter rockers, but rockers nonetheless as opposed to ballads, are:

Outside The Rain
Dreams

_______________________________________________________

In any event, I do agree with you that starting with The Dance and ignoring the lethargic TOSOTM tour, the energy level of La Nicks has lessened. I do not fault her for it. She is older and that is just life. LONG LIVE LA NICKS!!!!!!!!!

An uptempo song does not equal a rocker, in my book. And Dreams onstage these days is a ballad if I've ever heard one.

Johnny Stew · #**115** 06-25-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In any event, I do agree with you that starting with The Dance and ignoring the lethargic TOSOTM tour, the energy level of La Nicks has lessened. I do not fault her for it. She is older and that is just life. LONG LIVE LA NICKS!!!!!!!!!

I've often wondered if her energy-level has truly diminished, or if it's just a matter of her being more mindful of singing as well as she can, due to her voice lessons.
So she avoids getting too out-of-breath from excessive dancing, and avoids risking pushing her voice to a place where it might crack or rasp.

dissention · #**116** 06-25-2004, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost

That is because I am like the guru of the Ledge.

And I'm the asshole cousin that nobody wants to eat dinner with on Thanksgiving.

strandinthewind · #**117** 06-25-2004, 04:58 PM

I stand by my opinion that "Jane" is a beautifful written beautiful song. I love it. Although, I like the demo/live sounding one better. But, it can be said with truth that one man's treasure is another's toilet flushing

I am, however, glad she hopefully will never work with Rupert Hine or the SA producer again. I wish she would work with Bono from U2. I am unsure if he is a prducer, but I think their stuff is just great as is he

strandinthewind · #**118** 06-25-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

And I'm the asshole cousin that nobody wants to eat dinner with on Thanksgiving.

Well, if you are not there, who is gonna put on my bib and awaken me when I pass out in the soup

Johnny Stew · #**119** 06-25-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I'll be sure to include much fawning and over-the-top tactfulness in all of my upcoming posts.

Atta-boy!

Smart-ass.

strandinthewind · #**120** 06-25-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

An uptempo song does not equal a rocker, in my book. And Dreams onstage these days is a ballad if I've ever heard one.

Clearly the heavy use of the guitar and the rolling drum licks coupled with the rolling bass lines make the first nine rockers. As for OTR and Dreams, they are not reeally ballads like Sleeping Angel, Landslide, etc. But, they are not really rockers.

Interestingly, the guitar in the bridge and other parts of Rose Garden is straight out of 1950's rock and roll. But, I would not consider the song to be a rocker