George Bush- The "War" President

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Delusions of grandeur. They can't even control him anymore. It will be his undoing.

And did you hear what Rummy said today? He said it's Tenet's fault that 9/11 happened. They're getting ballsy.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by chiliD

What an insult....to all the chimpanzees of the world.

Hopefully soon he'll be "the forgotten chimpanzee"...

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

And did you hear what Rummy said today? He said it's Tenet's fault that 9/11 happened. They're getting ballsy.

Something huge is about to hit the fan.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Hopefully soon he'll be "the forgotten chimpanzee"...

is the following song:

"George...
George...
George of the Jungle,
Watch out for that tree"

Brian "I may feel sick, But my sense of humor remains intact" j.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Outside the US, Bush is seemed very related to war. They never found the supposed chemical bombs in IRak.

I was told personally by a very senior source well before the latest US invasion of Iraq that no new chemical weapons would be found. He knew exactly what chemicals the UN weapons teams had logged and impounded and was 100% sure nothing else would turn up. Which tells me if the UN chemical weapons teams knew everything then Bush and his "advisors" knew all the facts too. That's enough evidence for me of his intentions. The whole situation stinks.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by madformac

I was told personally by a very senior source well before the latest US invasion of Iraq that no new chemical weapons would be found. He knew exactly what chemicals the UN weapons teams had logged and impounded and was 100% sure nothing else would turn up. Which tells me if the UN chemical weapons teams knew everything then Bush and his "advisors" knew all the facts too. That's enough evidence for me of his intentions. The whole situation stinks.

I agree there is something going on here that does not meet the eye. But, why would the vast majority of the D's in Congress, Pres. Clinton, the UN, and the the intelligence agency's of every major country in the word be on board. It just seems that if they, esp. Kerry who knew he was running then, knew the whole thing was bogus, they could have excoriatred W and made a clear, wide, and unobstructed path for a D to take the WH in 04 and, perhaps, W's resignation under threat of impeachment. The whole thing is just odd to me and I cannot find a rationale thought to explain it other than all of them (R or D) are just liars and all perpetuated the WMD idea to scare people. Very strange indeed.

I am not excusing W, I am just saying that if it was that apparent no WMD existed at all, someone would be using that info. now for political gain. So, I conclude they were there or at least they thought they were there although clearly not in the exigent mode W lied about.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I agree there is something going on here that does not meet the eye. But, why would the vast majority of the D's in Congress, Pres. Clinton, the UN, and the the intelligence agency's of every major country in the word be on board. It just seems that if they, esp. Kerry who knew he was running then,

Dude, the house could fall on you and you still wouldn't get it. BUSH KNEW THERE WERE NO WMD'S. Doesn't matter what Clenis did, or what Congress did, or what Kerry did, BUSH is the POTUS. He pulled the trigger on this illegal invasion of Iraq. Congress didn't, the UN didn't, Kerry didn't, it was BUSH. The buck stops with him. Spare me the song and dance about Bush going to Congress. That was semantics. As for Kerry's vote, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. We need to get this f*cker out and we need to get him out now. Or are you willing to go through four more years and the invasions of Syria, Iran and wherever half of our Navy just sailed off to for training exercises? Can you say "mushroom cloud"? Because that's where I think this whole thing could be headed if the PNAC gang gets four more years. So apologize, criticize and rationalize all you want. At this point, I don't give a flying f*ck who pulled who's hair, or squealed "I'm telling!" THIS GUY IS DANGEROUS. That's the bottom line.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Dude, the house could fall on you and you still wouldn't get it. BUSH KNEW THERE WERE NO WMD'S. Doesn't matter what Clenis did, or what Congress did, or what Kerry did, BUSH is the POTUS. He pulled the trigger on this illegal invasion of Iraq. Congress didn't, the UN didn't, Kerry didn't, it was BUSH. The buck stops with him. Spare me the song and dance about Bush going to Congress. That was semantics. As for Kerry's vote, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. We need to get this f*cker out and we need to get him out now. Or are you willing to go through four more years and the invasions of Syria, Iran and wherever half of our Navy just sailed off to for training exercises? Can you say "mushroom cloud"? Because that's where I think this whole thing could be headed if the PNAC gang gets four more years. So apologize, criticize and rationalize all you want. At this point, I don't give a flying f*ck who pulled who's hair, or squealed "I'm telling!" THIS GUY IS DANGEROUS. That's the bottom line.

I AGREE WITH YOU _ IT WAS MF BUSH - AND HE IS NO GOOD LYING MF'ER - how many times do I have to say it because I have been saying it since last year - I am not disagreeing with you

ALL I am saying is you, Dissention, and other liberals make it sound like Bush sat there in defiance of all logic and world opinion and said "the hell with the thousands of reports that clearly indicate no WMD - screw them all we are going in because I said so and I do not care if I have no support for this" He did not do that - If you can find where he did, let's see it.

Once again, although W made the final decision to go to war based on the WMD evidence and for that he should be reomved from office, he was not the only who believed that evidence. Rather the leader of the Democratic Party, the heir apparent, the UN, Russia, France, Germany, and MANY MORE ALL believed it too - otherwise what was the reason for the UN resolutions saying so So, MY ONLY POINT IS although W is solely to blame for the decision to go to war, if you fault him making that decision based on his belief of the existense of WMD, then you have to fault the others named above because they all still believe it, esp. Clinton and Kerry. Again, I get that they did not go to war on it, although Clinton, with the blessing of Kerry and MANY other D's, certainly risked all out war on it by firing missiles into Iraq and praying SH did not retaliate against Isreal. Again and so there is no confusion all I am saying is W was not alone in his belief that SH had WMD and that he was a threat to the world. Yet, for some reason you liberal D's cannot admit Kerry still believes SH had WMD and that he urged going to war over it twice. Instead, liberal D's just give him a blanket excuse because they hate W so much. Instead, I think they ought to call him to task for believing there were WMD - I mean that he thought there were provides support for W's decision to go to war. In other words, it is a little hard to argue that W made this up when so many people agreed with him about the threat of SH and the existence of the WMD. Yet, the D's just cannot own that. Instead, they spin it.

Clearer now - and so help me if you come back and say I am not placing the blame solely on W and am spinning it to Clinton . . .

I mean if anyone thinks Kerry would not go to war based on intelligence, think again. He has voted for it TWICE and still stands by his reasons for doing so. He, like me, is just piised off at the way W did it. But, does anyone really think when Kerry cast his vote to gice W the power to go to war based on evidence Kerry totally believed, Kerry did not know EXACTLY what W was up too. I mean come on - we knew it and we are not running for the Pres. of the US

Yet, every time I say the last paragraph - it is as if I am lying through my teeth and DARING to EVER talk bad against the saint known as Kerry. Again, the facts support me 100% - AND I am willing to say I do not give a rat's ass that Kerry thought and still thinks there were WMD and he voted to go to war TWICE in six years to get rid of them - I would rather have his ****e that W's any day of the week. I just, unlike you all, am willing to admit I am a hyppocrite for it.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Once again, although W made the final decision to go to war based on the WMD evidence and for that he should be reomved from office

Do you honestly think that is what you are accomplishing by continuing to espouse apologist/enabler right wing talking points?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Do you honestly think that is what you are accomplishing by continuing to espouse apologist/enabler right wing talking points?

Yes, because the truth is what is important to me and I refuse not to acknowledge it just because I think W needs to go. I will not put my head in the sand that way. I will always call people on it when they incorrectly say W lied 100% about the existence of WMD in Iraq and we have to get rid of W because of it so vote for Kerry. I think that is hypocritical because the implication is that Kerry did not believe in the existence of WMD. It think such statements completely ingnore history. Kerry has repeatedly said and still says to this day that he, like the rest of the world including W, thought SH had WMD and was a significant threat to the world for it. Moreover, Kerry more than once authorized military force to remove SH because, like the rest of the world including W, Kerry thought SH had WMD and was a significant threat for it.

I guess you and other far left liberals just refuse to acknowledge the facts and instead want to ignore Kerry's complacency in this war in this, as you put it, "illegal" war in Iraq and instead spin it to attack me (in a friendly manner ) and call me an apologist and an enabler. You all think that by not discussing Kerry's complacency in this war in Iraq, you can somehow justify it.

Again, I hold W 100% accountable for going to war in Iraq. All I am saying is it is wrong to assume he did it alone. Kerry was right there supporting him. If anything Kerry is the enabler not me

But once again, the far left will NEVER cede that Kerry, their proposed saviour from the evil W, had anything to do with the war in Iraq nor will they EVER admit Kerry believes there were WMD in Iraq and it was worth military action to rid the world of their significant threat, even though Kerry himself says it. It is just too much for them to equate Kerry to Bush in any way no matter that the fact is they are VERY similar on the issue of WMD. Instead, they want to ignore this and blame it all on W and anyone who points this out is called an apologist and an enabler.

Come on, I want to hear you acknowledge the truth just once and that is, come on and say it just once , "If W made up the entire existence of WMD, then Kerry is no better than W here because Kerry also believed in military action to remove SH and his WMD and his significant threat to the world." You can use the emoticon if it is too painful so say the actual truth

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Dude, the house could fall on you and you still wouldn't get it. BUSH KNEW THERE WERE NO WMD'S. Doesn't matter what Clenis did, or what Congress did, or what Kerry did, BUSH is the POTUS. He pulled the trigger on this illegal invasion of Iraq. Congress didn't, the UN didn't, Kerry didn't, it was BUSH. The buck stops with him. Spare me the song and dance about Bush going to Congress. That was semantics. As for Kerry's vote, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. We need to get this f*cker out and we need to get him out now. Or are you willing to go through four more years and the invasions of Syria, Iran and wherever half of our Navy just sailed off to for training exercises? Can you say "mushroom cloud"? Because that's where I think this whole thing could be headed if the PNAC gang gets four more years. So apologize, criticize and rationalize all you want. At this point, I don't give a flying f*ck who pulled who's hair, or squealed "I'm telling!" THIS GUY IS DANGEROUS. That's the bottom line.

Exactly.

Clenis -

[gldstwmn]

We need a middle finger icon. Mods?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

We need a middle finger icon. Mods?

I'd much prefer a Clenis icon, if someone can draw one up.

PS: Look out for the new Stepford Wives commercial; they Stepford-ize Minute Rice and Hillary.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

And did you hear what Rummy said today? He said it's Tenet's fault that 9/11 happened. They're getting ballsy.

Well, Tenet had a heavy hand in it. Rumsfeld, on the other hand, had no real say in it at the Dept. of Defense other than reacting to the call for planning, etc. I mean the Dept. of Defense is not an intelligence agency is it - I am ask because I do not know. I thought that is what the National Security Advisor did. In the end, the buck stops at W - he should have said that and apologized for getting caught with his pants down. But, he spun it, blah blah blah.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I thought that is what the National Security Advisor did.

Unfortunately, Minute Rice didn't know that and she still doesn't know what ehr job is, at least that's what she testified.