***SPOILER***Nashville set list

[darklinensuit]

That's why I still haven't bought a ticket. I've seen the same exact show five times already.

- Jake

[Hawkeye]

They would ****. Unlike the brave artists who agree to do that show

Oh yeah those other artists are real BRAVE I saw Blondie on that show and what songs did they clearly scrrened the calls just like you're all saying the mac would. What songs were played on this all request show: Dreamin, Hangin on the Telophone, Gonna Get You, Call Me, Rapture, Heart of Glass, and a few songs from the new album. And I think there were 2 rarer songs. But Fleetwood Mac is doing a few VERY RARE songs on this tour. IKINW has NEVER ever been played live before. And i'd say it's pretty obscure. And guys have we already take for granted Beautiful Child. Seriously none of us could've ever DREAMED that thjis gem would EVER be played on Stage, but hey whipped it out for the SYW tour for us. And they even decided to keep it in for the 2nd leg. They took out A HIT of Stevie's and left in the OBSCURE song. They could've easiliy left in Gypsy and replaced Beautiful Child. But no they chucked Gypsy and kept BC. Doing it the other way around would've made the average fan happier. That was adecision for us.

[Miranda]

Most of the criticism isn't mutually exclusive. The set list is more than 20 songs nightly. They could change something every other show if not every night. They can still cover the Rumours standards and other radio hits, and please people tired of the same phoned in songs and performances.

Let's face it. This band really isn't interested in delivering freshness or taking chances. They either don't have the confidence, as some have said, or they don't give a ****. They just want the money.

When I hear or read Lindsey's comments against repeating oneself, which he still makes in almost every interview, I have to laugh. After seeing the magazine spread of his new house I put on the DR documentary for a good laugh. I especially get a kick out of the parts where he whines about loosing money for his artistic freedom.

I don't know how any band could tour for two years doing the same songs and the same scripted staging they did during the 7 year old reunion tour, and expect anyone to take them seriously. They're doing exactly what all oldies acts do, no matter how much they say they're not about that. As long as people will pay to see it they don't have to change a thing.

I'm not knocking fans who go to several shows and don't care about seeing the same exact thing each time. They just love the band and want to see them no matter what. I just get tired of band members saying they don't consider themselves an oldies act when they perform like one.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Mike B

This band definitely feeds off the energy of the audience and this fan response often dictates which songs to drop (RTTG and DLMDA anyone?). So obscure songs = less response = less energy = a terrified band. I would have thought that they would have more confidence in themselves and their music by now, but apparently they don't.

I think it is possible to achieve a balance between playing the mega hits and enough new/obscure songs to keep everyone happy, but FM seems to fall just short of it for me. They really don't have to play 8 + songs from Rumours on every tour.

But you see- Fleetwood Mac CREATED this problem all on their own. The Buckingham Nicks lineup started with "greatest hits" from the white album on and they chose to continue playing the same songs over and over and over.

If they established themselves as a groundbreaking touring act from the beginning, they would never have gotten to the performance anxiety area in the first place.

Look at acts like The Indigo Girls, Phish, and The Grateful Dead (just to name a select few). They have "mixed it up" since the day they started playing. The IG have been touring solid now for almost twenty years. If you go to one of their concerts today, almost every ticket holder knows they're going to get a fresh set list. If FM had been dynamic from the Buck/Nicks get-go, all of the obscurites wouldn't even be obscurities at all.

Originally Posted by face of glass

Lose the backing players and let the touring strain affect LB/SN/JM/MF and then it would be the closest to Tusk tour that we could get right now.

It'll NEVER happen. Never.

Originally Posted by joe

What do you think the chances are that FM does an "A&E Live by Request"? They would s*** if they had to do that. They'd probably hand out a list of songs and tell the audience they had to pick from that, or they screen every caller too.

So far, every Live By Request I've seen has done exactly that- or at least appears to do that. There's no way in hell any band is going to go onstage and allow unscreened callers to request ANY song from their catalog. No way. Stevie can't even remember the lyrics to "Frozen Love". When David Bowie went on one of his recent tours, he had to have a music geek teach him how to play some of his older tunes.

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

If they had sense they'd throw in some songs for the diehards on different nights. Frozen Love, Storms, Tango, SOTM - If each of these were inserted into different shows, more people would be going to multiple shows, I suspect. Just one change every five shows or so - That's not too much to ask.

It's not too much to ask. But FM is wayyyy too lazy to want to do this. It's much easier for them to play the same old songs. No risk. No fear. No excitement.

Originally Posted by Miranda

Let's face it. This band really isn't interested in delivering freshness or taking chances. They either don't have the confidence, as some have said, or they don't give a ****. They just want the money.

I don't know how any band could tour for two years doing the same songs and the same scripted staging they did during the 7 year old reunion tour, and expect anyone to take them seriously. They're doing exactly what all oldies acts do, no matter how much they say they're not about that. As long as people will pay to see it they don't have to change a thing.

BINGO!!! I couldn't have said better myself. It's sad, though. Such a waste. You would think with all the cash they have that they'd actually DO an "obscurities tour". Play to smaller venues. Charge enough money on each ticket to cover all their expenses, with a small profit. Set up a vote website to decide each week's (or each night's ) setlist. Go out there and have a killer time playing fresh, exciting music.

Again... it'll NEVER happen.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Oh yeah those other artists are real BRAVE I saw Blondie on that show and what songs did they clearly scrrened the calls just like you're all saying the mac would. What songs were played on this all request show: Dreamin, Hangin on the Telophone, Gonna Get You, Call Me, Rapture, Heart of Glass, and a few songs from the new album. And I think there were 2 rarer songs. But Fleetwood Mac is doing a few VERY RARE songs on this tour. IKINW has NEVER ever been played live before. And i'd say it's pretty obscure. And guys have we already take for granted Beautiful Child. Seriously none of us could've ever DREAMED that thjis gem would EVER be played on Stage, but hey whipped it out for the SYW tour for us. And they even decided to keep it in for the 2nd leg. They took out A HIT of Stevie's and left in the OBSCURE song. They could've easiliy left in Gypsy and replaced Beautiful Child. But no they chucked Gypsy and kept BC. Doing it the other way around would've made the average fan happier. That was adecision for us.

One show out of countless shows does not a good argument make. And if you were a Blondie fan, you would've been surprised to have heard them play Undone and Accidents Never Happen. Did you see any other Live By Request shows? My guess is no because all the other artists I've seen have pulled songs out of their elbows for the viewers.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not going to wet myself because the Mac decided to play one rare song out of a setlist full of other tired hits. If they had done five or ten of said rare songs, my yap would be shut. But it was one. IKINW is nothing to scream about because they HAD to change the setlist is a very minor way because they knew they couldn't do good business with the same setlist.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by The Tower

When David Bowie went on one of his recent tours, he had to have a music geek teach him how to play some of his older tunes.

That's because unlike the Mac, Bowie mixes up his setlists almost every night and has refused to play a lot of his classics on a great number of his tours. I admire him greatly for that. And Tom Petty? His concerts are legendary. It's like going to see a three hour jam. His band just plays whatever they feel like playing, even classics from other artists. He has the most off-the-cuff stage presence of anyone I've ever seen and it's fantastic.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Miranda

Most of the criticism isn't mutually exclusive. The set list is more than 20 songs nightly. They could change something every other show if not every night. They can still cover the Rumours standards and other radio hits, and please people tired of the same phoned in songs and performances.

Let's face it. This band really isn't interested in delivering freshness or taking chances. They either don't have the confidence, as some have said, or they don't give a ****. They just want the money.

When I hear or read Lindsey's comments against repeating oneself, which he still makes in almost every interview, I have to laugh. After seeing the magazine spread of his new house I put on the DR documentary for a good laugh. I especially get a kick out of the parts where he whines about loosing money for his artistic freedom.

I don't know how any band could tour for two years doing the same songs and the same scripted staging they did during the 7 year old reunion tour, and expect anyone to take them seriously. They're doing exactly what all oldies acts do, no matter how much they say they're not about that. As long as people will pay to see it they don't have to change a thing.

I'm not knocking fans who go to several shows and don't care about seeing the same exact thing each time. They just love the band and want to see them no matter what. I just get tired of band members saying they don't consider themselves an oldies act when they perform like one.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. Bravo.

[Hawkeye]

even classics from other artists.

Oh that's just what I'd want to hear. Go to a Fleetwood Mac concert and hear some songs by The Eagles.

[Hawkeye]

You know what, Stella Buckingham might be to blame for the lack of new songs in the set. homegirl Cory said it herself, the band only rehearsed for 2 weeks instead of 3. Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Call me nostalgic...call it what you want...but I for one happen to really enjoy their set list...and I love hearing those old "tired" hits..night after night, it never gets old to me.

Chris

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Oh that's just what I'd want to hear. Go to a Fleetwood Mac concert and hear some songs by The Eagles.

That's not the point. The point is, Petty and his band have the balls to go onstage, have a good time, and show their fans a good time. He just enjoys music and plays it until he's tired, resulting in marathon concerts. He still plays the hits, but he he gives the audience more than they paid for. They also NEVER charge more than $55 for a ticket, unlike the outrageous Mac prices that are motivated solely by greed. AND, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a Petty concertgoer that didn't know what they were getting into in going to see him.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

Yeah, and I just won the big jackpot in last nights lottery drawings. Maybe I can pay them to play those songs, green always seems to motivate them.

[hauntedsong16]

I honestly think they're trying to comprimise. I mean, it's only common sense that if you're going to tour, you want to please as many people as possible. To do that, you have to play the hits, because that's what the majority of people know. And they threw in a few sort of rare songs for the more hard core fans. I mean, yeah, we'd all love to hear the rare stuff, but it would be a dissapointment to most people. I'm frankly just happy they're touring. And yeah, the ticket prices are outrageous, but we are buying them, so...

Let's face it, this is their job. And if it was my job, I'd want to make as much money as I could, too. They're only human.

[Miranda]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

You know what, Stella Buckingham might be to blame for the lack of new songs in the set. homegirl Cory said it herself, the band only rehearsed for 2 weeks instead of 3. Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

Right. I wouldn't doubt that's got a lot to do with it. Which is why I think Lindsey's attitude about taking risks and not repeating only applies when it suits his agenda in the studio. He wants to spew his propaganda so the serious music people won't think he's sold out, when in fact, he sold out a long time ago and refuses to admit it. If they didn't rehearse during the lay off that's ok if he's got other priorities.

Right now Lindsey's agenda is to make as much cash as necessary for his new family. I don't have a problem with that except when he implies he's the only one who cares about the music not the commerical gods. He's no less commercially motivated than anyone else including Mick. At least Mick is shameless about it and not hypocritical like Lindsey.

A reviewer of the Atlanta show mentioned Lindsey forgetting his Red Rover speech which proves he can't work on stage without a net. He wants everything scripted so he doesn't have to put out or think about it on stage. Stevie's also not into spontaneous things on stage anymore becasue she's probably limited by physical issues with her voice and mobility (bad hip.) I can cut her a break on that.

[Miranda]

Originally Posted by hauntedsong16

I honestly think they're trying to comprimise. I mean, it's only common sense that if you're going to tour, you want to please as many people as possible. To do that, you have to play the hits, because that's what the majority of people know. And they threw in a few sort of rare songs for the more hard core fans. I mean, yeah, we'd all love to hear the rare stuff, but it would be a dissapointment to most people. I'm frankly just happy they're touring. And yeah, the ticket prices are outrageous, but we are buying them, so...

Let's face it, this is their job. And if it was my job, I'd want to make as much money as I could, too. They're only human.

I agree with you a little, but it's one thing to deliver the hits. It's another to just crank out identical performances of those songs every night right down to the scripted gestures and speeches. There's really no excuse for that except laziness or incompetence. If it works then beat it into the ground...hmmm...who's quoted as making fun of this statement in about a million interviews?