i hate George Bush!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

But what I find so shocking is that you actually believe that all of this heartaches will eventually bring democracy to Iraq. It'll never happen.

I did not say I believed it would work. I said it may work. No one but time can tell if it will work and granted the odds are against it. But and again, please name another viable solution that will have long term results. i have not heard of one yet.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Lux

Whoops, forgot to mention that the whole argument supporting agression against Iraq is based entirely on false information. Small detail, I know. Say, didn't they tell us in 2001 that Iraq was not a conventional threat, that they had no grounds on which to base belief that Hussein had weapons.

Well they tried to bury that and your good selves that suddenly they assembled these weapons from resources that they couldn't possibly have had anyway (due to sanctoins). I think it might be unconstitutional for a leader to lie to his people about the reasoning for going to war. Doesn't anybody give a **** that they outright lied?

I do. That's one of the reasons why I'm voting for Kerry.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, we are not taking over Iraq. We liberated it. :

Hahahaha. We haven't liberated Iraq. They will never really be "liberated" from us now. That government they're going to install is a dog and pony show with NO LEGISLATURE.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Hahahaha. We haven't liberated Iraq. They will never really be "liberated" from us now. That government they're going to install is a dog and pony show with NO LEGISLATURE.

Again,what was the alternative? Also, the facts to me suggest that with a little luck, over the next year or two control of Iraq will be in the hands of the Iraqi people. But, others see it differently and only time will tell. So, let's continue this in about a year and see what has happened, etc

Also, my point was that Hitler would have invaded it and killed anyone non-Aryan. We did not do that.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In fact, quite the contrary has happened in that the US has givem not loaned, billions to the Iraqi people and gotten rid of a horrible person who defied committed genocide there and defied the world for over 11 years. How is that a bad thing notwithstanding the loss of life in the struggle which is horrible and unnecessary IMO?

You're forgetting that we provided the means for him to commit that genocide in the first place. The Kurds don't consider Saddam to be one of their own people. Poppy Bush stood back and did nothing while Saddam did this because Saddam was fighting another one of our pesky middle east enemies at the time: Iran.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You're forgetting that we provided the means for him to commit that genocide in the first place. The Kurds don't consider Saddam to be one of their own people. Poppy Bush stood back and did nothing while Saddam did this because Saddam was fighting another one of our pesky middle east enemies at the time: Iran.

I said that earlier. AND - I think if H Bush had ignored the Saudi's in 12 years ago and taken SH out then, the world would have been a better place. So, all of this is his fault as well.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, what else should have been done in Afganistan? I am all ears for an alternative solution.

You mean after we replanted all the opium poppies and helped all of those nice farmers harvest them?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Also, the facts to me suggest that with a little luck, over the next year or two control of Iraq will be in the hands of the Iraqi people.

Yeah, let's see what happens when we let a bank robber run Iraq.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You mean after we replanted all the opium poppies and helped all of those nice farmers harvest them?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, let's see what happens when we let a bank robber run Iraq.

Again, let's contimue this in a year. One of us will be right. Or, maybe a third alternative will happen. But, as of now, we are arguing in circles both convinced we are correct

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You mean after we replanted all the opium poppies and helped all of those nice farmers harvest them?

Please. We never did that and you know it. Albeit, we are not stopping the opium trade.

Again, what should we have done in Afganistan. i am all ears!!!!

Perhaps you think we just let Al-Q flourish there with no ramifications for 9/11? Interestingly, Bill O. said we should eradicte the opiom crops and pay for the lost money with American dollars

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, let's contimue this in a year. One of us will be right. Or, maybe a third alternative will happen. But, as of now, we are arguing in circles both convinced we are correct

Yeah, let's see what happens in a year when Chalabi is siphoning the money of the Iraqi people into Swiss bank accounts.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Perhaps you think we just let Al-Q flourish there with no ramifications for 9/11? Interestingly, Bill O. said we should eradicte the opiom crops and pay for the lost money with American dollars

Bill O. was the biggest pr*ck last night. He really has no idea what he's talking about.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, let's see what happens in a year when Chalabi is siphoning the money of the Iraqi people into Swiss bank accounts.

Well, that is why someone has to be there to make sure that does not happen. Honestly, you are so dismal in your view of the world. I am not.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Bill O. was the biggest pr*ck last night. He really has no idea what he's talking about.

I missed it burning off Gen Tsao's chicken at the gym What did he say this time?