N.C. Parents Angered by Gay Prince Book

[strandinthewind]

Also, I think it is not people hating the Christian posters here. I think it is what is perceived as blind following of twisted words and selective enforcement of archaix parts of The Bible that Christ Himself said he was obviating when he made a new covenant with mankind. I see this blind faith as ignorance and/or the results of brainwashing by organized religion. That tends to make people angry, esp. when coupled with "I do not mind you even though you are really only to be tolerated in MY Christian US and you are going to hell." I mean who would not take offense at that, esp. when society as a whole pretty much hates gay people based on religion, which is not the law

BTW and as an aside - Johnny, there is nothing wrong with having a black maid

[markolas]

No, people here don't hate Christians...but, there are many Christians who have a martyr complex, and are so obnoxious about their religion that they make other people crazy. And when someone has finally had enough and decides to tell the Christians off, the Christians get passive-aggressive ("I'll pray for *you*"), or sometimes just plain nasty (with threats of hellfire).

It's nearly impossible to take them seriously, or to think of them as anything other than emotionally unbalanced basket-cases.

I laughed at Sugar's comment because I knew what kind of reaction it would get: the Christians can dish out the condemnation, but they usually can't take it.

[Sugar]

Originally posted by Lala
It doesn't. It makes me sad though.

I don't think I'll be checking this thread again because this arguement will go on for a very long time...and it seems like at least on this board I'm losing. I've shared my opinion and you can take it the wrong way or whatever you want.

Whether you believe it, or believe it's wrong...Jesus loves you.

And really there's my point. I took Lala's exact sentence, substituted "Christianity" for "homosexuality", and this is the response.

This isn't about personal belief. This is about respecting others in a civil society. This one's a martyr. I make her "sad"; I can take her response the "wrong way". Why? Because I put her in the same relative place she put homosexuals in, and she doesn't like it. Not unlike Alison with a veiled threat of "that's something you'll have to take up with him." This is the superiority thing that bugs people. Last I checked, being a Christian doesn't make you God.

And I will take it up with him or her or it or whatever greets me on the other side. I will say that I thought very hard about the choices I made in my life and that, more often than not, I lived the way my heart led me. I believe that him or her or it is going to think that's pretty cool.

Again, this is about respecting others in a civil society, not personal belief.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Sugar
Again, this is about respecting others in a civil society, not personal belief.

Amen and well said!!!!!!!

AND - it is perfectly within reason to be a good if not great American citizen and non-Christian!!!!!!!!

[Sugar]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Amen and well said!!!!!!!

AND - it is perfectly within reason to be a good if not great American citizen and non-Christian!!!!!!!!

I'll do you one better...it is even possible to be a great human being and a non-Christian, all at the same time.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally posted by Sugar
Last I checked, being a Christian doesn't make you God.

Well damn. I guess I better start shopping for a new religion...cause I'm after the title....

I am, of course, kidding....but seriously...the Christianity I was raised with had values such as: Do not judge others (the whole s/he who is without sin can cast the first stone thing...that would be no one...)...judgment is set aside for God and God alone...

soooo...with that in mind...isn't saying that "homosexuality is wrong" a judgment??? Sounds like one to me...that's not very Christian IMO....

I agree with above posts as well...you can be a good person and not believe in God....but it's amazing how many people hear someone say they don't believe in God and automatically assume that that person is an uncivilized heathen or something....

I have my own beliefs...and I keep them that way...as MY OWN...I don't believe anyone else should have to have the same ones as me etc...I get really annoyed with the whole "what's right for me and my church is right for everyone...or it's hellbound with ya!!"

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I truly believe if Jesus came back and saw how His good news was twisted and turned for two thousand years to fit the needs of straight white males

Whoa, he's been twisted to fit MY needs?

- Jake

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
So, I pray to God on my own terms and based on Christ's words in the four Gospels, which BTW never mention gay people

Isn't there an indirect reference or two? Or is it in the Old Testament? Do today's Christians only follow the four New Testament gospels or do they also follow the Old Testament?

The Old Testament says:

A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is discovered to not be a virgin, she will be stoned to death.

If a married man dies without children, his brother must marry the widow. If the brother refuses to marry the widow, or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. [One shoe!!??]

And here's the kicker:

A woman who has not found a husband shall get her father drunk and have sex with him, thereby perpetuating the family line.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Isn't there an indirect reference or two? Or is it in the Old Testament? Do today's Christians only follow the four New Testament gospels or do they also follow the Old Testament?

The Old Testament says:

A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is discovered to not be a virgin, she will be stoned to death.

If a married man dies without children, his brother must marry the widow. If the brother refuses to marry the widow, or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. [One shoe!!??]

And here's the kicker:

A woman who has not found a husband shall get her father drunk and have sex with him, thereby perpetuating the family line.

Hmm...funny how we never hear about these things anymore...but Leviticus (one of the gay references) is cited again and again and again......

[The Tower]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Isn't there an indirect reference or two? Or is it in the Old Testament? Do today's Christians only follow the four New Testament gospels or do they also follow the Old Testament?

The Old Testament says:

A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is discovered to not be a virgin, she will be stoned to death.

If a married man dies without children, his brother must marry the widow. If the brother refuses to marry the widow, or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. [One shoe!!??]

And here's the kicker:

A woman who has not found a husband shall get her father drunk and have sex with him, thereby perpetuating the family line.

Yeah, this stuff is really unbelievable. I really find it interesting when homophobes, like Fred Phelps, use passages from Leviticus to condemn homosexuality- but conveniently "forget" all the other passages. And it's not even extremist's like Phelps who based their bigotry on Levictus. Many christians simply swallow the scripture without even researching the rest of the chapter. Women, in particular, should be appalled at the majority of Leviticus.

It baffles my mind why anyone in this day and age would organize their life based on ignorant writings from well over 2000 years ago. Oh well..........

[strandinthewind]

That is my point - I mean if we are going to have a Const. Amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage from sinners, then let's put the dealth penalty in there for non-virgin brides, adulters (all involved parties), and, perhaps more importantly, allow polygamy. Why pick on gay people. I guess being a dirty little faggot is a greater sin in the eyes of these a$$holes even though The Bible calls for the same punishment

Also, Sugar, ITA with your statement. I was just making mine in the context of any notion that the U.S. ought to be a theocracy.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Prejudice is prejudice, no matter how one justifies it.
Again, I point to the Ku Klux Klan, who also use religion to justify their hateful actions.
Far too many people use religion as an excuse, in my opinion, and we need to rise above that.

And all the while the Klan fails to mention that Christ was black.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Alison
Merf... are you throwing all Christians in the same bag?
Your throwing hate towards Christians, in the same way you claim Christians are all intolerent to others, you are intolerent towards Christians.
I personally don't know any Christians who hate gays.
How would you feel if I said, gee, I live 200 miles from the gay community, and they are shoving their perverse life style down my throat. That sounds hateful doesn't it.

It's not so much intolerance towards Christians, it's intolerance towards Christains who use their religion to justify hate and intolerance themselves.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Sugar
As I said before I think it's too much to ask to expect everyone to start walking in lockstep together. That's your opinion and you have a right to it. And as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others in this civil society, you can believe in whatever or whomever you please.

But you might want to consider how offensive it is that you believe you have the right to judge anothers life as right or wrong.

I believe that Christianity is wrong...and if that pisses you off, that's your problem.

AMEN to everything you said.

"Did you ever know that you're my hero?

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Jerry Falwell ( sorry Dissention )

You have a * key on your keyboard, use it, dammit! Never say the devils name again!

And you're absolutely right. If there is a God and he came down to Earth and saw how the human race treats people and uses their religion to promote hatred, he would wipe us all out and begin anew.