The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Rumours
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-19-2004, 09:20 PM
dreams's Avatar
dreams dreams is offline
Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: The Birthplace of Edward R Murrow, aka "The Triad"
Posts: 46
Default 3/19 Slate Magazine re:reissues

Here's an article about the reissues i found today with a few interesting takes on things. My apologies if it's already been posted!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2097404/

Going Their Own Way
Why is Fleetwood Mac the least influential great band ever?
By Douglas Wolk
Posted Friday, March 19, 2004, at 2:48 PM PT



Chemisty that can't be copied

Has there ever been a less-influential great band than Fleetwood Mac? The three albums they've just reissued in expanded form made them international stars in the 1970s and 1980s. Rumours (Warner Bros., 1977) is one of the best-selling records ever, recently certified at 19 million copies and counting in the United States; Fleetwood Mac (Reprise, 1975) and Tusk (Warner Bros., 1979) went multiplatinum, too. "Landslide," "Never Going Back Again," and "Dreams" have been radio staples for decades. And yet almost nobody has tried ripping off Fleetwood Mac's basic sound and style—even unsuccessfully. Dozens of hit records have been derived from Led Zeppelin and Shania Twain and Michael Jackson; the only Fleetwood Mac pastiche that comes to mind is the Magnetic Fields' 1999 joke "No One Will Ever Love You." Bonnie Tyler and Courtney Love have tried to evoke the white-winged-dove essence of singer Stevie Nicks—but Stevie Nicks is not the same thing as Fleetwood Mac.

And that's part of the problem in trying to imitate them. In the late-'70s period documented by these reissues, the band had three front-people—Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham, and Christine McVie—who individually wrote and sang major hits, an almost impossible feat. (The only other group to have done anything like this in the past 20 years was the Traveling Wilburys—more an all-star joke than a real group.)

What really made these three albums tick, though—and made their sound basically irreproducible—was that late-'70s Fleetwood Mac was an improbable balancing act, powered by internal conflicts and bizarre chemistry. I don't mean the infamous intraband heartbreak (Christine and bassist John McVie, Nicks and Buckingham, and drummer Mick Fleetwood and his wife all split up before Rumours) or their massive drug intake, but their griffin-like hybrid of pop traditions. A California-to-the-core studio obsessive with a permanent case of the jitters (Buckingham), a dreamy mystical type with a gift for ornate, languorous melodies (Nicks), and a veteran British rhythm section with roots in raw electric blues (Fleetwood and the McVies): Try faking that combination.

The group had struggled for years to find the right lineup. It's easy to forget that Fleetwood Mac's self-titled 1975 album, the one with "Rhiannon" and "Say You Love Me," wasn't their first—it was their 11th. They'd started out as a straight-up British blues-revival band, a sort of cut-rate Cream. (The band's first single, back in 1967, was "I Believe My Time Ain't Long," a verbatim rip-off of Elmore James' "Dust My Broom.") Over the next eight years, they drifted into psychedelia, had a huge U.K. hit with an instrumental called "Albatross," lost their first three singer-guitarists, respectively, to burnout, madness, and a cult, gained singer-keyboardist Christine Perfect (subsequently McVie), and burned through a few more frontmen. Finally, they hooked up with the American duo Buckingham Nicks—Lindsey and Stevie, who'd previously made a flop LP together—for their lush, mellow commercial breakthrough. Its reviewers called it "impressively smooth" (Rolling Stone) and "this year's easy listening classic" (Village Voice).

As these reissues point out, though, Fleetwood Mac stayed closer to their blues origins than they let on. The only constant members of the band were Fleetwood and John McVie, who never stopped trying to play Chicago blues, no matter what the rest of the band was doing. ("Don't Stop" is nobody's idea of a blues song, but the Rumours reissue's demo makes it clear that the rhythm section was pretty much treating it as "Dust My Broom," Part 18.) Singer-keyboardist Christine McVie's first hit, with her previous band Chicken Shack in 1969, was a cover of Etta James' "I'd Rather Go Blind," and blues conventions turn up in her songs again and again, dressed in beachwear. Listen closely to the opening of "You Make Loving Fun": The beginning of McVie's first line—"Sweet wonderful you"—turns a poppy minor chord into a much bluesier minor seventh chord. (Imagine her singing "sweet" a note higher, and you'll hear the difference.) Her lyrics pull off similar tricks, like the first line of "Say You Love Me": "Have mercy, baby, on a poor girl like me."

None of which is immediately evident from these warm, breezy, minutely detailed albums: The surfaces of all of them are ear candy in the California pop tradition. ("Don't Stop" is right up there with OutKast's "Hey Ya!" and Sly and the Family Stone's "Thank You [Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin]" in the pantheon of desperately unhappy feel-good anthems.) And much of the songs' attractiveness comes from another irreproducible effect, the combination of three peculiar singing voices. "Farmer's Daughter," a cover of a Beach Boys obscurity that's one of the bonus tracks on Tusk, strips the harmonies almost bare; you can hear the eccentricities of the voices—Nicks' incantatory bleat, Buckingham's uptight tremble, McVie's plummy enunciation—and how unlikely it was that they sounded so creamy together.

The Rumours and Tusk reissues have an extra disc apiece of rough versions and outtakes, and Fleetwood Mac now includes a pointless 1975 jam and four single mixes. But what's most striking about the bonus material is how little it adds to our understanding of these three immaculately buffed albums. It mostly reinforces the myth that Fleetwood Mac knew exactly what they were doing in the studio from the get-go and were primarily concerned with getting the sound of every instrument exactly right (even if that meant, in a few cases on Tusk, putting the drums away and whacking a cardboard box instead). That's not entirely true. Bootleggers have circulated some Nicks demos that sound very different from what they became, but they're not here. We do finally get to hear a fragment of "Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)," a Christine McVie throwaway that allegedly evolved into the entirely different song "The Chain." Frustratingly, we don't get to hear how that happened.

The new version of Rumours also indulges in a bit of Let It Be ... Naked-style historical revisionism: Stevie's lacerating kiss-off to Lindsey, "Silver Springs" (famously omitted from the final sequence and exiled to the B-side of Lindsey's own kiss-off to Stevie, "Go Your Own Way," blithely shows up in the middle of the album as if it'd always been there.

Of the three albums, the one that's aged best is Tusk, which was originally considered a catastrophic stiff (it only went quadruple platinum). At once more sprawling and more intimate than Fleetwood Mac and Rumours, it retains a certain mystery that its precursors have lost to overexposure—partly because the band was trying so hard not to repeat itself (Buckingham's stabs at new wave miss the mark but anticipate the lo-fi movement of the '90s); partly because even its smallest details are counterintuitive (Fleetwood's drum crescendo at the end of "Over and Over") to its overall sequence. Tusk is the only extant proof that it's possible to go into a recording studio for two years with millions of dollars and a mountain of drugs and emerge with something subtle. If anyone tried to follow Fleetwood Mac's example there, it's not surprising that they failed.


Slate
__________________
"We're just trying to find the big buzz... That didn't sound right, did it?"
~sln ~ Raleigh 5.22.04

Singer Stevie Nicks likens Fleetwood Mac to "a psychological encounter group times a million."
~ AZRepublic 7/03

What baby boomer, after all, doesn't harbor at least a slight fantasy of being onstage, still looking great, and spilling your guts to your long-lost first love as you two harmonize?
~WI State Journal 5/9/04

Reply With Quote
.
  #2  
Old 03-19-2004, 09:44 PM
Johnny Stew's Avatar
Johnny Stew Johnny Stew is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 12,145
Default

Great read... thanks for posting that, dreams!
__________________
"Although the arrogance of fame lingers like a thick cloud around the famous, the sun always seems to shine for Stevie." -- Richard Dashut, 2014
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-20-2004, 01:23 AM
David's Avatar
David David is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: California
Posts: 15,185
Default Re: 3/19 Slate Magazine re:reissues

Quote:
Originally posted by dreams
Going Their Own Way
Why is Fleetwood Mac the least influential great band ever?
By Douglas Wolk
As I was reading this article by Douglas Wolk, I saw that he put his finger on something, but it was probably inadvertent. He pointed out that "Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)" sounds nothing like "The Chain." Uh, d'uh! How come none of the fans seems to care about that? The DVD-Audio of "Rumours" contained a track called "Keep Me There," which was obviously an early snapshot of "The Chain," & bandmembers talked about how "The Chain" started as something by Christine called "Keep Me There." The link made sense, except for the fact that an instrumental had a title: Why would Christine title a song for which she hadn't yet written lyrics? That's not her m.o.

Now there's another, totally unrelated piece of song on this Rhino reissue titled "Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)," & it has nothing to do with "The Chain." I trust the labeling on these projects less & less these days. The DVD-A wasn't totally accurate in its labeling anyway: the instrument list was off here & there on the video graphic portion.

I think one of these -- either "Keep Me There" on the DVD-A or "Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)" -- isn't actually "Keep Me There." If they both are, then there's a huge piece of the story that could have & should have been revealed.

Also, who are all the players on the "For Duster" jam on the Rhino? You've got more people than just four Fleetwood Macsters there.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-20-2004, 02:07 AM
Johnny Stew's Avatar
Johnny Stew Johnny Stew is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 12,145
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by David
As I was reading this article by Douglas Wolk, I saw that he put his finger on something, but it was probably inadvertent. He pointed out that "Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)" sounds nothing like "The Chain." Uh, d'uh! How come none of the fans seems to care about that?

I think one of these -- either "Keep Me There" on the DVD-A or "Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)" -- isn't actually "Keep Me There." If they both are, then there's a huge piece of the story that could have & should have been revealed.
I was wondering why I didn't recognize any of the instrumentation for "Butter Cookie," but since I haven't received my CDs yet, and therefore haven't been able to listen to the track on better stereo equipment, I thought maybe the connection between the songs was there, and I just wasn't noticing it due to the iffy sound quality of streaming audio.

I think it's safe to assume that the tune on the DVD-Audio really is "Keep Me There"... since longer versions of that track clearly show a connection between it and "The Chain."
But where "Butter Cookie" comes into play, I have no idea... and now I'm really intrigued.
__________________
"Although the arrogance of fame lingers like a thick cloud around the famous, the sun always seems to shine for Stevie." -- Richard Dashut, 2014
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-20-2004, 06:33 AM
Gazza Gazza is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 352
Default

Great read, and he's right, Fleetwood Mac are a band whose sound is next to impossible to re-create, and for me this makes them something really special.

You could just listen to one voice, or one instrument being played and you'd be able to take a good guess at which band it is. How many other bands can you really do that with?

And when you combine it all together it can go from being as catchy as Abba to as rocking as Led Zep.
Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2004, 07:15 AM
Lux
This message has been deleted by Lux.
  #6  
Old 03-20-2004, 08:20 AM
marc402's Avatar
marc402 marc402 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Hilversum, Holland
Posts: 282
Default

thanx for that dreams i had not seen it yet
yes i too am intrigued by the who;e butter cookie /keep me there thing
i was just like johnny thinking it was my cheap speakers on my pc
but since i now have the cd's i know that isn't it there is no conection i can hear whatsoever
but still i like the track and i did not know it so i welcome it's adition to the set
did anyone notice that on the tracklist of the dvd audio silver springs folowed songbird and songbird was pushed to the end and now songbird is back in it's original place folowed by silver springs.
i missed songbird at the end of go your own way at the dvd audio so ik like that here but i still wonder what silver spring original place was (if it would have made the album)
maybe in the place of i don't want to know.
__________________
"MIRROR IN THE SKY WHAT IS LOVE"
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Fleetwood Mac Tour John McVie Bass Guitar Pick picture

Fleetwood Mac Tour John McVie Bass Guitar Pick

$25.00



JOHN MCVIE HAND SIGNED 8x10 PHOTO AUTOGRAPHED FLEETWOOD MAC BASSIST RARE BAS COA picture

JOHN MCVIE HAND SIGNED 8x10 PHOTO AUTOGRAPHED FLEETWOOD MAC BASSIST RARE BAS COA

$127.49



8x10 Print Fleetwood Mac Peter Green Mick Fleetwood John McVie 1969 #EFL picture

8x10 Print Fleetwood Mac Peter Green Mick Fleetwood John McVie 1969 #EFL

$13.99



Authentic Touring Fleetwood Mac John McVie  Vintage Tour Guitar Pick picture

Authentic Touring Fleetwood Mac John McVie Vintage Tour Guitar Pick

$119.10



Fleetwood Mac: Mick Fleetwood and John McVie Autographed

Fleetwood Mac: Mick Fleetwood and John McVie Autographed "Mirage" Album w COA

$200.00




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved