The doc!!!

[teedee]

Originally posted by wildangel
I usually just lurk but after reading the statement by carne about stevie bringing lindsey songs down I had to reply
As a longtime lurker I am used to carne's usual lindsey blowjobbing but this is a just ridiculous. All she did was put BG vocals on a few of his tracks. They don't sound much different. After hearing her demos on the doc. and loving the demo versions of Smile at You and Running Through the Garden I would say that you ( that is I, YOU, ME, HE, SHE pick your person and tense ) could make a case that lindsey brought stevies songs down

lol great post, (i, you me, she, lol) good point...

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by teedee
Why is it different ? Because you said so? You for got to say why? or are we just suppose to take your word for it.

I didn't for get to say anything. Go back to my original post on this.

but i dont know what you are trying to prove.

I have nothing to prove. You addressed me first and in the process you distorted and misinterpreted what I had posted. I suspect you still don't realize that you misread what I was saying to begin with.

I can respect a diference of opinion, but if your going to name call ,( callin me an ass) then i want know part of it.

I have to be honest here. I am actually baffled at how many of my posts you seem to misintepret. I never called you an ass. Go back and read the post.

If you would come down from your pedestal and stop dictating and correcting it would go much smoother.

I'm not on a pedestal. Frankly, it would probably be rather uncomfortable. I'll take my comfy leather chair any day. I don't believe I've "dictated" anything, but if you'd like to quote where I did...

but im not going to sink to your level if that where you are gonna take it.

If I'm on a pedestal and you have to "sink to" my level, what the hell are you standing on?

its just too much picking, when it really doesnt matter.

I agree that it doesn't matter. It's just a silly pop song. You seemed to take it way more seriously than I ever would.

and far as stevie choosing songs from her vaults for fleetwood mac and her solo i dont care how old they are.

Whaaaat!!?? Surely you're not going down this path again. I challenge you to come up with a post of mine in which I said pulling songs out of her vault was a problem. I CHALLENGE you.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I think Stevie's vocals on Say Goodbye is what makes it incredible...as well as Peacekeeper...i was never really a fan of Lindsey's GOS Peacekeeper..but i like the album version of this one a lot..

I agree Murrow, Come, and Red Rover are best left alone by Stevies voice...

Chris

[dissention]

Originally posted by ShangriLaTroubl
I agree Murrow, Come, and Red Rover are best left alone by Stevies voice...

Chris

If Stevie was willing to wail and scream and howl on Murrow a la her live vocals of Green Manalishi, I think it'd be even greater than it already is.

[teedee]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Very different situation though, Nancy. Lindsey used the songs he'd been trying to release for years. He didn't just go in the vaults looking for stuff.

Furthermore, he's always done covers, going back to the white album days.

You know, it would be cool if he put all his Stones songs together with some of the other covers and released a coves album.

Carne ,
just wanted to point out that this was the post that you had responded to, that just made me ask you why it was ok for lindsey but not for stevie. it was your answer that made me ask why ? lindsey has been working in his studio for years since he has left FM, yes his songs were intended on for a solo, so he was working on them, for a long time, all my point is stevie in all those years has been writing , she has a huge back log of songs , why shouldnt those come to life, when the opportunity presents itself, she herself stated she wanted there to be new songs on the cd, so she wrote some current ones when she got off from touring. i think that says alot, for her wanting to do that.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by teedee
Carne ,
just wanted to point out that this was the post that you had responded to, that just made me ask you why it was ok for lindsey but not for stevie.

I'm going to make this very easy for you. I was responding to Sodascouts' post, an excerpt of which follows:

Lindsey, on the other hand, did not feel the need to write anything specifically for the Fleetwood Mac project, relying on material that was a few years old (in the case of "Say Goodbye", 15 years old)...
I'm very glad to hear his songs and love them, but in the past some have criticized Stevie for raiding the vaults, doing covers, and using cowriters, and it's interesting to see it in Lindsey.

Here's the pertinent part of my response:

Very different situation though, Nancy. Lindsey used the songs he'd been trying to release for years. He didn't just go in the vaults looking for stuff.

Now, where is the criticism directed at Stevie?

It's context.

[teedee]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I'm going to make this very easy for you. I was responding to Sodascouts' post, an excerpt of which follows:



Here's the pertinent part of my response:



Now, where is the criticism directed at Stevie?

It's context.

my point was, you state it was a different situation , lindsey was working on these songs, intended for a solo. stevie picked some songs for a fleetwood mac cd, my point was i dont see any difference , both used older songs, so lindsey has been working on these songs all along and stevie chose to write songs all along, to me there is no difference. why is this such a big deal to you,

[teedee]

oh carne pardon me, you didnt call me an ass you just said i was talking out my ass, hmmm still not a very nice thing to say, that s what i meant when i said i wont sink to that level....i just disagree with you is all. you want all quotes, . i m pretty much basing things on how you reply, like with sodas post. you may not have stated in exact words that you dont like stevie using old songs. but i was responding on just how you stated it was different for lindsey. to me there wasnt a difference.. ok im done with this,,,,, next subject.......

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Here's the pertinent part of my response:

quote:
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Very different situation though, Nancy. Lindsey used the songs he'd been trying to release for years. He didn't just go in the vaults looking for stuff.
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Now, where is the criticism directed at Stevie?

It's context.

Ack, this is all my fault! Teedee, I wasn't directly my comments specifically at Carne, though I can see how you got that impression. I apologize for that.

That being said - Carne, I think you should be able to see how your comments imply a criticism of Stevie. Perhaps you didn't intend it that way, but when you have a situation where I have set up a comparison of Stevie and Lindsey, and you reply that Lindsey's situation is different because "he didn't just go into the vaults looking for stuff," the reader can logically infer that you are saying that Stevie does, and that that's a negative thing. Or do you truly believe that Stevie's raiding of the vaults is just as acceptable as Lindsey's, despite their "different situations"?

Back to Teedee - I hope now that this situation is clarified we can let it go. If you'd like to confront Carne about something, wait around, he'll say something inflammatory sooner or later. This topic, however, isn't worth it. It's my opinion that NO ONE looks good in these kind of petty exchanges.

Edit: I see that you have already decided to drop it, Teedee. Good for you!

2nd Edit: I see Carne has answered my question below as well. I need to post more quickly!

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by teedee
my point was, you state it was a different situation , lindsey was working on these songs, intended for a solo. stevie picked some songs for a fleetwood mac cd, my point was i dont see any difference , both used older songs, so lindsey has been working on these songs all along and stevie chose to write songs all along, to me there is no difference. why is this such a big deal to you,

It's not a big deal to me. It seems to be a big deal to you, considering how many times you've repeated the same thought on this thread. You've gone on and on about how I was dissing Stevie with my original comment, which I wasn't. You simply misread it. And you've gone on and on about why it's OK to go back to the vaults and why do I not think so. But one more time: I have not criticized Stevie for that.

I was merely trying to point out that the reason Lindsey's songs were as much as 15 years old and he didn't write new songs for SYW was because he had accummulated this body of work that he wanted to release one way or the other. He had the songs, and they were ready. So he didn't feel he needed to write more songs. They were first-pick songs, really good stuff.

Stevie, on the other hand, had brought in mostly rejects from previous recordings. I am not saying those particular songs were good or bad. But they were rejects that for one reason or another didn't fit into recordings that had already been done. And she herself obviously felt the songs perhaps weren't quite up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff and went back to the writing process to come up with some new stuff. Anyway, she has said something along those lines.

That is the difference. Do you get it yet?

[The Tower]

Originally posted by chiliD
HEY! That's one of my favorite Heart songs...BITE YOUR TONGUE!


Granted, it IS the only decent tune on Passion Works, though.

I like "Johnny Moon" and "Love Mistake" as well, but you're right, the rest of it ain't so hot...

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by sodascouts
If you'd like to confront Carne about something, wait around, he'll say something inflammatory sooner or later.

Hey!! I resemble that...

[chiliD]

Originally posted by stefan
On the other hand SYHA sounds a lot better with her on backing vocals as I must admit.

Ummmm, I dunno...I kind of liked the version with BOTH Christine & Stevie singing the backgrounds.

[teedee]

Originally posted by sodascouts
Ack, this is all my fault! Teedee, I wasn't directly my comments specifically at Carne, though I can see how you got that impression. I apologize for that.

That being said - Carne, I think you should be able to see how your comments imply a criticism of Stevie. Perhaps you didn't intend it that way, but when you have a situation where I have set up a comparison of Stevie and Lindsey, and you reply that Lindsey's situation is different because "he didn't just go into the vaults looking for stuff," the reader can logically infer that you are saying that Stevie does, and that that's a negative thing. Or do you truly believe that Stevie's raiding of the vaults is just as acceptable as Lindsey's, despite their "different situations"?

Back to Teedee - I hope now that this situation is clarified we can let it go. If you'd like to confront Carne about something, wait around, he'll say something inflammatory sooner or later. This topic, however, isn't worth it. It's my opinion that NO ONE looks good in these kind of petty exchanges.

Edit: I see that you have already decided to drop it, Teedee. Good for you!

2nd Edit: I see Carne has answered my question below as well. I need to post more quickly!

Hi, this is not your fault, i know you didnt direct it towards carne, but she replied to your post and thats what i replied to,. no biggie.

[teedee]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
It's not a big deal to me. It seems to be a big deal to you, considering how many times you've repeated the same thought on this thread. You've gone on
and on about how I was dissing Stevie with my original comment, which I wasn't. You simply misread it. And you've gone on and on about why it's OK to go back to the vaults and why do I not think so. But one more time: I have not criticized Stevie for that.

I was merely trying to point out that the reason Lindsey's songs were as much as 15 years old and he didn't write new songs for SYW was because he had accummulated this body of work that he wanted to release one way or the other. He had the songs, and they were ready. So he didn't feel he needed to write more songs. They were first-pick songs, really good stuff.

Stevie, on the other hand, had brought in mostly rejects from previous recordings. I am not saying those particular songs were good or bad. But they were rejects that for one reason or another didn't fit into recordings that had already been done. And she herself obviously felt the songs perhaps weren't quite up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff and went back to the writing process to come up with some new stuff. Anyway, she has said something along those lines.

That is the difference. Do you get it yet?

All i will say is that i agree with how soda said it.. carne you have to see that the way you word thing s they do appear negative towards stevie. you did it again in this post by stating all stevies songs were rejects, and she didnt feel they were as good as lindsey first rate stuff. you know that all these songs were rejects, oh i forgot she called you again, lol...to tell you. she just has a back long of songs dont you know that. and i believe she said she wanted to right new material for the cd, not that her stuff wasnt as good as lindseys. and if you want to get technical...the record company told lindsey this stuff will sell better as a fleetwood mac cd, not a solo cd, so looks like those first rate songs were already rejects by the record company, i believe he said that he was not a "brand" , remember. oh well it has been an exhausting thread, and soda its not your fault, there really is not much else worth saying on this topic. if carne needs the last word, so be it. i know where i stand and i stand behind it , i apologize to the board for letting this go on longer than it should have.