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#106
03-12-2004, 01:08 AM
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 But with the wording of "even the great Johnny Stew," I wasn't sure what the "even" was supposed to mean. Hard to get a read on these things sometimes, so I was a bit confused! (Wouldn't be the first time.) Anyway, I had hoped it wasn't a diss... but thought I'd respond anyway to make sure. I'm glad I did, and I'm glad it wasn't. 
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#107
03-12-2004, 01:12 AM
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After all, she's the woman who once said, "I'm not Bob Dylan, but every once in a while I've gotta say something."
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#108
03-12-2004, 01:29 AM
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She was clearly using Dylan to make a point rather than compare herself to him. I think he's overrated personally, even if one of my favourite songs is one of his
Otis Redding got him right... Too many lyrics. Last edited by Gazza; 03-12-2004 at 01:33 AM..
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#109
03-12-2004, 08:56 AM
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 , but I ain't. Incidentally, at one of the open mics I do regularly, there was kid recently doing Dylan covers. He was college-age.
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03-12-2004, 09:00 AM
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03-12-2004, 09:18 AM
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#113
03-12-2004, 10:13 AM
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ugh, since forty(40) looms for me this October,I guess later this year I will become a Dylan fan!!
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#114
03-12-2004, 12:49 PM
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That is too hilarious. I love Otis Redding, but I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with that comment.
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03-12-2004, 01:20 PM
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I agree with Otis... At least to a point... When you're singing about something that is carving you up, it just seems a little false to include so many lyrics. That's something I always loved about Go Your Own Way... It's just a guy saying it like it is, and not hiding behind anything fancy.
I would guess, that if you were to ask most people who aren't big Dylan fans to name their favourite song of his, you'd probably end up with songs like Lay Lady Lay or Knockin' On Heavens Door.
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#116
03-12-2004, 01:24 PM
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Who hasn't felt like this once or twice: You got a lotta nerve To say you are my friend When I was down You just stood there grinning You got a lotta nerve To say you got a helping hand to lend You just want to be on The side that's winning You say I let you down You know it's not like that If you're so hurt Why then don't you show it You say you lost your faith But that's not where it's at You had no faith to lose And you know it I know the reason That you talk behind my back I used to be among the crowd You're in with Do you take me for such a fool To think I'd make contact With the one who tries to hide What he don't know to begin with You see me on the street You always act surprised You say, "How are you?" "Good luck" But you don't mean it When you know as well as me You'd rather see me paralyzed Why don't you just come out once And scream it No, I do not feel that good When I see the heartbreaks you embrace If I was a master thief Perhaps I'd rob them And now I know you're dissatisfied With your position and your place Don't you understand It's not my problem I wish that for just one time You could stand inside my shoes And just for that one moment I could be you Yes, I wish that for just one time You could stand inside my shoes You'd know what a drag it is To see you
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#117
03-12-2004, 01:34 PM
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Sheryl Crowe told an interviewer once that the best thing about meeting Bob Dylan other than just being able to meet him was that he told her to srite a truly great song, everyline must sound like it is so interesting it could be the opening line of a song. I think alot of Dylan's work is like that. It is very heady, but cool at the same time. He is a genius amongst many IMO. Just look at the song Carne quoted - genius (the song not Carne
)Also, Dylan, like Stevie, is a genius at phrasing and he and she can make seemingly awkward phrases on paper come to life IMO.
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#118
03-12-2004, 02:08 PM
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That song is simply one of the greatest things that has ever been recorded. The lyrics are just perfect for that state of mind. It's my favorite Dylan tune.
Song of the moment - Don't Look Down
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#119
03-12-2004, 02:39 PM
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It's a great song, but to give an example of what I don't like with Dylan...
Johnny's in the basement Mixing up the medicine I'm on the pavement Thinking about the government The man in the trench coat Badge out, laid off Says he's got a bad cough Wants to get it paid off Look out kid It's somethin' you did God knows when But you're doin' it again You better duck down the alley way Lookin' for a new friend The man in the coon-skin cap In the big pen Wants eleven dollar bills You only got ten Maggie comes fleet foot Face full of black soot Talkin' that the heat put Plants in the bed but The phone's tapped anyway Maggie says that many say They must bust in early May Orders from the D. A. Look out kid Don't matter what you did Walk on your tip toes Don't try "No Doz" Better stay away from those That carry around a fire hose Keep a clean nose Watch the plain clothes You don't need a weather man To know which way the wind blows Get sick, get well Hang around a ink well Ring bell, hard to tell If anything is goin' to sell Try hard, get barred Get back, write braille Get jailed, jump bail Join the army, if you fail Look out kid You're gonna get hit But users, cheaters Six-time losers Hang around the theaters Girl by the whirlpool Lookin' for a new fool Don't follow leaders Watch the parkin' meters Ah get born, keep warm Short pants, romance, learn to dance Get dressed, get blessed Try to be a success Please her, please him, buy gifts Don't steal, don't lift Twenty years of schoolin' And they put you on the day shift Look out kid They keep it all hid Better jump down a manhole Light yourself a candle Don't wear sandals Try to avoid the scandals Don't wanna be a bum You better chew gum The pump don't work 'Cause the vandals took the handles When I was younger the video for this bollocks would come on, and I'd cry. You've got to be smacked up your tits to want to listen to that one. I think "Whatever colours you have in your mind, I'll show them to you, and you'll see them shine" is worth so much more. I've always had a love/hate thing with Dylan though... I remember when I was very young my Dad would be playing stuff like Love In Vain, Like A Rolling Stone or I Want You, but then they'd be followed by the aptly titled Desolation Row. Saying that, I'll probably have it played at my funeral - just to let everyone know what misery really is before I go.
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03-12-2004, 03:25 PM
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I think something like “SHB” or “Desolation Row” is trying to tell us in general how meaningless life is. It’s a set of random images from a fractured mind that’s trying to get a hold of the reality and yet fails to do so. Streams of emotion coming out of nowhere, meeting for a moment and then disappearing into nothingness, that’s what some of his songs are about. And thank God those were captured for posterity. That’s how I see it anyway. I love it when he can be very vague sometimes yet he still doesn’t come off as if he’s trying to be intentionally incomprehensible. That’s something I get out of Stevie’s lyrics sometimes, and also of Lindsey’s music (and some of the recent lyrics). Quote:
Dylan hasn’t really had a “comeback” period of sorts (except in 1974 with Planet Waves), he’s always kept on making albums. When FM did the Dance they gained a lot of new fans. I think that’s the main reason to why there aren’t as many fanatical young Dylan fans as there are with Fleetwood Mac. Dylan hasn’t needed publicity stunts for a long time. Quote:
Yet I don’t think anyone can really be a fan of theirs and thoroughly separate the lyrics and the music from the performance itself. It’s all about the way they sing it, the way they phrase, the way those lyrics are under their complete control. Listen to that seven minute poem “Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie” on the Bootleg Series Vol. 1-3. It’s completely mesmerizing to listen to even though you can’t decipher all of the lyrics at once. While there have been good Dylan covers, the originals will always be the definitive for me. Or then there would have to be radical reinventions, like Hendrix’ “All Along The Watchtower”. And the same goes to SN. Stevie and Bob will always be essential parts of my life.
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