Awol Bush - Page 13

strandinthewind · #**181** 02-19-2004, 08:05 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111802,00.html

Oh W - wise up and realize the planet is warming up not to you, but to itself because of fossil fuel emissions

dissention · #**182** 02-19-2004, 09:58 AM

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Prove that he lied about his NG record. I submit you cannot - no one can because the evidence supports that he was there. If more comes to light, then so be it - I am not married to the idea that he served all of the time and think he is a schmo for pulling strings to get in even though I would have done the same thing.

All of the documents that were recently released had no mention of May '72-May '73. So, prove that he was there. I submit you cannot. People have publicly said that they saw documents trashed and heard conversations to get rid of any "embarrassing" files, people have said they didn't see him, his own dentist says he doesn't remember him; the evidence is on our side, doll.

dissention · #**183** 02-19-2004, 09:58 AM

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Certainly he had the attention of the world. The US does not control the world press

Nope, they control the US press. The use of embeds, for example.

dissention · #**184** 02-19-2004, 10:01 AM

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And how is that his fault? That was the NG's choice

Also, that issue of what he did during those 30 minutes on 9-11 immediately after the attacks is just such a red herring. Again, none of us know what was happening - we can berate the SS's actions all we want, but none of know what was happening. The Pres. was in a secure place. For all we know there could have been a direct threat in moving him. So its cool to be suspect, but asserting suspicion as fact is specious because we do not know all of the facts and probably never will. Just my $0.02

Boy, you are so naive.

Do you honestly think that his daddy didn't influence this kind of stuff? Good christ.

And, I'm sorry, but reading for another half hour to kids after the WTC center has just been hit by two planes is disgusting. Some people are just so optimistic that they refuse to even consider the possibility that their president is a bastard.

strandinthewind · #**185** 02-19-2004, 10:04 AM

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All of the documents that were recently released had no mention of May '72-May '73. So, prove that he was there. I submit you cannot. People have publicly said that they saw documents trashed and heard conversations to get rid of any "embarrassing" files, people have said they didn't see him, his own dentist says he doesn't remember him; the evidence is on our side, doll.

Again, the NG paid him for being there. Moreover, people remember him being in AL (Texas souflee

) and he got his teeth fixed and the NG paid for it. These three things prove he was in AL and did his work. While that commander says he cannot remember ever seeing W there, he also admits he was not there all of the time. So, his testimony cannot be dispositive of this issue. IMO - Somebody needs to find evidence in writing that he was not ever on the base, etc. That is the only way these allegations can stick IMO.

strandinthewind · #**186** 02-19-2004, 10:05 AM

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Nope, they control the US press. The use of embeds, for example.

The U.S. is releasing OBL's videos?

dissention · #**187** 02-19-2004, 10:06 AM

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I also am not arguing Clinton or Bush I's integrity, etc. I am merely pointing out that they both used essentially the same intelligence to kill people in Iraq, whether it was an all out war like W got us into or by enforcing the questionably legal "no fly zones" in place in the Bush I and Clinton eras. To me, there is not distinction, except in the number of deaths and the method of killing. Again, why was it right for Bush I and Clinton to kill without UN approval in the name of that intelligence but when W does it based on the same intelligence everyone is up in arms crying foul I hate double standards, which I think is what is happening to a degree here although I admit W had it out for Iraq from the beginning and used this intelligence along with 9-11 to get his way.

Also, W's supporters, one of which I am not, correctly point out that the tax cuts are helping the economy (I know I know we are not back at the 1999 level yet). If you do not believe me, consult any reputable economist starting with Greenspan. Now, if we could just control W's spending . . .

ChimpCo was thirsty for Saddam the minute they got into office. Don't you think that they did some digging in the intelligence community to get some dirt on him? Don't you think that they found out that he had nothing but that they chose to use the old intelligence that said he did have WMDs? To say they used the same intelligence as Clinton is ludicrous. The only way they used it was as a scapegoat and a tool to lie to the American people. They knew it was bad but deliberately used it.

As for the tax cuts? There is absolutely no proof that trickle-down economics works and every economist worth their salt will tell you that. But, ChimpCo will say they inherited a bad economy and that's absolute bull****.

dissention · #**188** 02-19-2004, 10:08 AM

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Again, the NG paid him for being there. Moreover, people remember him being in AL (Texas souflee ) and he got his teeth fixed and the NG paid for it. These three things prove he was in AL and did his work. While that commander says he cannot remember ever seeing W there, he also admits he was not there all of the time. So, his testimony cannot be dispositive of this issue. IMO - Somebody needs to find evidence in writing that he was not ever on the base, etc. That is the only way these allegations can stick IMO.

Again, you automatically get paid, regardless if you show up; it's sort of like direct-deposit; many officials have said so.

dissention · #**189** 02-19-2004, 10:09 AM

If he wants to prove he was there, ne needs to release his FULL discharge papers with the WD form. Every Guardsman gets it when they are discharged.

strandinthewind · #**190** 02-19-2004, 10:13 AM

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ChimpCo was thirsty for Saddam the minute they got into office. Don't you think that they did some digging in the intelligence community to get some dirt on him? Don't you think that they found out that he had nothing but that they chose to use the old intelligence that said he did have WMDs? To say they used the same intelligence as Clinton is ludicrous. The only way they used it was as a scapegoat and a tool to lie to the American people. They knew it was bad but deliberately used it.

As for the tax cuts? There is absolutely no proof that trickle-down economics works and every economist worth their salt will tell you that. But, ChimpCo will say they inherited a bad economy and that's absolute bull****.

Again, cite one credible economist that syas tax cuts have not helped our economy

Also, I agree W had it in for SH from the beginning as was consistent with U.S. policy of regime change. But, no proof that W or anyone had later intelligence that exonerated SH. I mean Clinton, Kerry, Gehardt and many many other R and D's said the evidence is there and SH will not refute it as he is required to do. So you really think all of these diametrically opposed people who will sell anyone out to get political gain were al in on this from the beginning. I cannot see that happening.

strandinthewind · #**191** 02-19-2004, 10:14 AM

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If he wants to prove he was there, ne needs to release his FULL discharge papers with the WD form. Every Guardsman gets it when they are discharged.

But why does the NG not have this even if W does not.

dissention · #**192** 02-19-2004, 10:16 AM

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But why does the NG not have this even if W does not.

Because I think it was one of the papers that were trashed. Those WD forms are like attendance records and they show your entire schedule; if he didn't show up, it would have been reflected on that document and, for some reason, no one is giving it up.

dissention · #**193** 02-19-2004, 10:17 AM

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Again, cite one credible economist that syas tax cuts have not helped our economy

Also, I agree W had it in for SH from the beginning as was consistent with U.S. policy of regime change. But, no proof that W or anyone had later intelligence that exonerated SH. I mean Clinton, Kerry, Gehardt and many many other R and D's said the evidence is there and SH will not refute it as he is required to do. So you really think all of these diametrically opposed people who will sell anyone out to get political gain were al in on this from the beginning. I cannot see that happening.

You can't see anything negative happening, doll.

And please cite some economists who *aren't* affiliated with ChimpCo that says the tax cuts have helped.

strandinthewind · #**194** 02-19-2004, 10:58 AM

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You can't see anything negative happening, doll.

And please cite some economists who *aren't* affiliated with ChimpCo that says the tax cuts have helped.

On the contrary, I do see many bad things, just not as bad as you do :scoll:

For example, Bush is spending us into our grave and he flat out lied about Iraq's nuclear capability and that he "knew" where all of the WMD were, etc., in an effort to incite us into a war no one really wanted to start. He ought to be impeached for that.

Geenspan is one economist - he is not in W's pocket. He is apolitical IMO. He also publicly reprimands Bush at every chance he gets about the out of hand spending in relation to the tax cuts, which has resulted in the enormous deficit. Here is a good article from CNN

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/14/news...lection_taxes/

On a non-related topic - go here for a good read

http://www.workingforchange.com/arti...m?ItemID=16462

gldstwmn · #**195** 02-19-2004, 11:06 AM

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OMG - I love your new pic!!!!!!

No - I am not. I am just saying how do we know the NG did not assign him that plane? I do not know that for a fact. Do you?

Those were the only planes available at TANG where Daddy put him ahead of 500 other people trying to get into the Guard. That's part of why they called it the Champagne Division.