Tonight - Bill O v. Bill M

[Rob67]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I wanted to get into a little more depth on this earlier but I had to leave. My opinion is that we didn't actually find Saddam. I think the Kurds had him first and were trying to negotiate for the $25 million reward and when that fell through, or perhaps they were offered some cash, they gave up his locale. Before any of you assail this theory, remember the bull**** they fed us about the Jessica Lynch "rescue". Something to think about.
With respect to Osama, 166 million dollars and 500 lives go a long way toward finding him. As a taxpayer, I would much rather see their efforts in this direction than on the illegal invasion of Iraq. Yes, I believe it to have been illegal. We really had no basis for invading this country and I think that is going to come to light (it already has) for the reasons I have cited in many posts.
Thirdly, if we would stop funding the apartheid that is going on in Israel, 9/11 may never have happened. We currently give them about $3 billion a year. They have nuclear weapons, while their neighbors (Palestine) have none. No weapons whatsoever. It makes us look very bad in the Arab world. Therefore they perceive us to be their enemy as well. Mix that with a lot of money and a lot of religious fundamentalism and you've got a big problem. Don't forget, President Bush is in so tight with Sultan Bin Bandar (I think that I am spelling his name correctly) that they call him Bandar Bush. The very first oil company ever set up for Shrub by his father was financed by Salem Bin Laden. After 9/11, Bush flew out the remaining Bin Ladens without even questioning them to see if they might have known where Bin Laden was. He was at his nephew's wedding less than six months earlier, so it is complete hogwash that the family had nothing to do with him. Bin Laden requires regular kidney dialysis, so there is no way he is living in a cave, at least not for any lenght of time. As a free thinking person, let me ask you, does this sit well with you? Wouldn't you have to agree that something doesn't add up?

I would have to see the Oliver Stone movie first!

Rob

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
All accounts as of now point to these missles being used to carry chemical WMD. If that is proven false so be it. I am not married to the idea. I am just saying that they were buried in an obvious attempt to hide them gives credibility to the argument that SH was hiding WMD.

They weren't missles, they were mortars. I think they were forgotten. This is not a huge cache. I mean, how many times has our government misplaced things? (Please consider I live about 10 miles from Rocky Flats). You can't tell me that the Iraqi's were running a more efficient operation than ours. I won't be in the least surprised if they come out tomorrow and say the field tests were false positives. That's how the tests are designed, as I have said, to protect the soldiers.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by dissention
It still in no way enforces what the administration told us. If his possession of those buried weapons, which we more than likely gave him to kill the Iranians with and were buried before the UN resolutions, was justification of this joke of a war, I heartily disagree. You haven't said a lot of things that are out there, but this is definitely one of them. People are too quick to dispose of Shrub's lies.

As for Osama, Albright was 100% correct when she said we'll get an October surprise. I wouldn't be surprised if the supposed WMDs showed up around that time, too.

And you want something to salivate over? I think the capture of Saddam was very fishy and perhaps may have been a bit staged, much like the Jessica Lynch rescue (that rescue was a joke!).

We must have been hit by the same thunderbolt because I was posting the very same thing at the very same time you were.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by dissention
Me too! He had me in hysterics on last nights debate with his pie chart. I watched it all over again on C-SPAN just for that.

You gotta love the guy. He stands up for what he believes in. Did you know that he fired the police chief on the six o'clock news when he was the mayor of Cleveland?

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
My opinion is that we didn't actually find Saddam.

*smacks self in forehead with palm*

Wow - I guess everything and anything is suspect . . .

Yes, I think that the way the Jessica Lynch story was "embellished" was unfortunate, but I don't think we can automatically assume that the capture of every single person from the "deck of cards" is now questionable. The important thing is that he is in custody now, and whoever found him deserves a big THANK YOU.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Rob67
I have actually found that most people avoid political discussions becasue they hate to debate and would rather talk about the pleasures of life...Sex, drugs & Rock 'n' Roll!!!

Rob

What a sad statement that attests to the dumbing down of our society.

[Rob67]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
What a sad statement that attests to the dumbing down of our society.

Puh-lease...lighten up!!!!! It's a JOKE!

Besides...I resemble that remark.

Rob

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
We must have been hit by the same thunderbolt because I was posting the very same thing at the very same time you were.

Great minds think alike. The two of us have to stick together; we're like blind folks in a room full of deaf folks.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
*smacks self in forehead with palm*

Wow - I guess everything and anything is suspect . . .

Yes, I think that the way the Jessica Lynch story was "embellished" was unfortunate, but I don't think we can automatically assume that the capture of every single person from the "deck of cards" is now questionable.

I don't. I only said the capture of Hussein doesn't add up to me. I do believe his sons are dead.
If they lied about Lynch, what else are they lying about? Why is that so implausible to you?

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
You gotta love the guy. He stands up for what he believes in. Did you know that he fired the police chief on the six o'clock news when he was the mayor of Cleveland?

No, I didn't!

[Rob67]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I don't. I only said the capture of Hussein doesn't add up to me. I do believe his sons are dead.

Dumbing down of our society, huh?

Rob

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by dissention
Great minds think alike. The two of us have to stick together; we're like blind folks in a room full of deaf folks.

LMAO!

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I do believe his sons are dead.

I don't...

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Thirdly, if we would stop funding the apartheid that is going on in Israel, 9/11 may never have happened.

Are you ready for this: I agree with you in that I don't think our policies in Isreal help our "reputation" in the Arab world, but I do not agree that this somehow contributed to cause 9/11. The blame lies with those who were involved in the hijacking, Osama, his network of cowards, those who contributed cash to train these terrorists, and the fact that someone in the intelligence community was asleep at the wheel.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by Merf
Well, Risster, your theory has definitely been proven by this administration! And that's all there is to say about that!

Well, again, matter of opinion. I feel this administration was dealt some ****ty cards to begin with and are dealing with it as best they can and of course, it isn't going to be good enough for everyone. It's a win/loose situation. We'll never know how good old Al Gore would have dealt with it but I have a feeling, it wouldn't have been any better.

No President in the history of the United States has actually ran the country. The Presidency has been a joke for years now regardless of which party is in control of the office. He's someone to either blame or applaud and that is it.

Wow .04 today.