The Reagans

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
It depends on what you call propaganda. How about the Wall Street Journal? No one said Bush was murdering anybody. We just said there were similarities in the regimes. Other people made the Holocaust leap.

Wow - I can't think of Hitler without thinking of the Holocaust. After all, the man was one of the biggest mass murderers in history (wasn't that 6 million + Jews that were slaughtered?).

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
No - what I am saying is that to compare Bush to Hitler is, in my opinion, disrespectful to the millions whose families were torn apart by the Holocaust. If any leader in present time can even remotely compare it would be Sadaam himself.

In my opinion, Hitler was evil. And while some on this board may have the opinion that Bush is . . . well, I just don't see the comparison in terms of "evilness".

This person can give their opinion, no matter how disrepectful, because he lives here, and not in a police state. I respect his right to give his opinion, I just don't agree with it.

Thank you.

- Jake

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
and it is still incorrect and unfair spin

Once again, how many Jews and gays are being gassed today? How many newspapers are being forced to print propaganda?

And that's how you perceive it, but I don't.

I don't believe that anyone compared him the way you have with gassing people. We've simply stated that his actions and involvements smack of the Third Reich.

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn


"I know it''s hard for you to put food on your family."

I'm sure he believes that he's a FAAAAAAAAAAABULOUS speaker.

[Rob67]

Originally posted by dissention


I'm sure he believes that he's a FAAAAAAAAAAABULOUS speaker.

I can't mock the guy for speaking...he gets the job done. And he has great speech writers.

I would probably do a lot worse, and I'm in sales......I don't admire that part of the job at all...

Rob

[darklinensuit]

Schooled in Texas politics, what do you expect? There arre very few Ann Richards in these parts.
This is the land that gave us Gib Lewis. (Ever ead Molly Ivins piece on him?)
And this is the son of the guy who still sounded bad talking next to Dan Quayle.

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by dissention
And that's how you perceive it, but I don't.

I don't believe that anyone compared him the way you have with gassing people. We've simply stated that his actions and involvements smack of the Third Reich.

Yea but you gotta admit when anyone compares someone to Hitler that autrocity is the first if not only one that comes to mind. I mean its not like anyone said "Bush reminds me of Hitler due to the chipping away of the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of illegal searches and seizures." Just the blanket statement was made and mostly made in reference to Iraq. Hitler invaded Poland after years of appeasement during which he somewhat clandestinely built up a huge armed forces, which was forbidden unfer the Treaty of Versailles. Then Hitler sought European dominance and, with Italy and Japan, world dominance. No other justification was offered by Hitler - just world dominance and the preservation and development of the Aryan/perfect race.

Conversely, America and Britian's invasion of Iraq was at the least based in 11 years of Iraq's bad faith dealings with the UN. Moreover, no evidence exists that clearly demonstrates America and Great Britian want to call Iraq their own. Rather, our soldiers are losing their lives daily to try and give the Iraqi's a better quality of life than they had under the Hitleresq. SH (gassed his people, tortured his people, pursued dominance of other countries via force, etc. ).

[Rob67]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Conversely, America and Britian's invasion of Iraq was at the least based in 11 years of Iraq's bad faith dealings with the UN. Moreover, no evidence exists that clearly demonstrates America and Great Britian want to call Iraq their own. Rather, our soldiers are losing their lives daily to try and give the Iraqi's a better quality of life than they had under the Hitleresq. SH (gassed his people, tortured his people, pursued dominance of other countries via force, etc. ).

For the record, my cousin and my rother's best friend have been over in Iraq since the war and both of them said that life is pretty peacefull. Both are stationed in Baghdad and my cousin frequently travels around. He said that reading some papers from the US make it seem like there is wanton death and destruction and unrest everywhere which is far from the truth. He said it is actually pretty stable and the people are generally pretty cordial towards the troops and vice versa.

Rob

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Rob67
For the record, my cousin and my rother's best friend have been over in Iraq since the war and both of them said that life is pretty peacefull. Both are stationed in Baghdad and my cousin frequently travels around. He said that reading some papers from the US make it seem like there is wanton death and destruction and unrest everywhere which is far from the truth. He said it is actually pretty stable and the people are generally pretty cordial towards the troops and vice versa.

Rob

EEK - I hope they come back OK.

I agree that most of Iraq is peaceful now. But, soldiers and citizens are still dying pretty much everyday. So, there must be some strife somewhere. Hopefully, it will end soon.

[gldstwmn]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/terro...-scotus06.html

Bush administration wants entire 9/11 case kept secret


"Lucy A. Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said she was disappointed by the government's request.

''The idea that there is nothing that could be filed publicly is really ridiculous,'' she said. ''It just emphasizes our point that we're living in frightening times. People can be arrested, thrown in jail and have secret court proceedings, and we know absolutely nothing about it.''

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
http://www.suntimes.com/output/terro...-scotus06.html

Bush administration wants entire 9/11 case kept secret


"Lucy A. Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said she was disappointed by the government's request.

''The idea that there is nothing that could be filed publicly is really ridiculous,'' she said. ''It just emphasizes our point that we're living in frightening times. People can be arrested, thrown in jail and have secret court proceedings, and we know absolutely nothing about it.''

All of this will hopefully come to a head in a few months once the Sup. Ct. determines the Padillo (sp.?) case.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Another view on the WMD and quite a slam. actually, on the Bush Administration if not the prior administration as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/08/spr...ort/index.html

Powell's defense

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/08/spr...ort/index.html

[gldstwmn]

http://www.clamormagazine.org/featur...3_feature.html

Heir To The Holocaust

(excerpts)

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

A classified Dutch intelligence file which was leaked by a courageous Dutch intelligence officer, along with newly surfaced information from U.S. government archives, "confirms absolutely," John Loftus says, the direct links between Bush, Thyssen and genocide profits from Auschwitz.

A case can be made that the inheritors of the Prescott Bush estate could be sued by survivors of the Holocaust and slave labor communities.

By 1920, George Herbert Walker had already built a fortune in Missouri. Walker, a charismatic former heavyweight boxing champion, was a human pit bull. He lived life to the fullest, owning mansions around the east coast and one of the most extravagant apartments in Manhattan. His hobbies were golf, hunting, drinking scotch and beating his sons to a pulp. Elsie Walker, one of Walker's grandchildren described Walker as a "tough old bastard" whose children had no love "for their father." He was also a religious bigot who hated Catholics, although his parents raised him to be one. According to other sources, he also did not like Jews.

Six days after Pearl Harbor and the US declaration of war at the end of 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau and US Attorney General Francis Biddle signed the Trading With the Enemy Act, which banned any business interests with US enemies of war. Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany.

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government had had enough of Prescott Bush and his Nazi business arrangements with Thyssen. Over the summer, The New York Tribune had exposed Bush and Thyssen, whom the Tribune dubbed "Hitler's Angel." When the US government saw UBC's books, they found out that Bush's bank and its shareholders "are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country."

Prescott Bush received $1.5 million for his share in UBC. That money enabled Bush to help his son, George Herbert Walker Bush, to set up his first royalty firm, Overby Development Company, that same year. It was also helpful when Prescott Bush left the business world to enter the public arena in 1952 with a successful senatorial campaign in Connecticut. On October 8th, 1972, Prescott Bush died of cancer and his will was enacted soon after.

In 1980, when George H.W. Bush was elected vice president, he placed his father's family inherence in a blind trust. The trust was managed by his old friend and quail hunting partner, William "Stamps" Farish III. Bush's choice of Farish to manage the family wealth is quite revealing in that it demonstrates that the former president might know exactly where some of his inheritance originated. Farish's grandfather, William Farish Jr., on March 25th, 1942, pleaded "no contest" to conspiring with Nazi Germany while president of Standard Oil in New Jersey. He was described by Senator Harry Truman in public of approaching "treason" for profiting off the Nazi war machine. Standard Oil, invested millions in IG Farben, who opened a gasoline factory within Auschwitz in 1940. The billions "Stamps" inherited had more blood on it then Bush, so the paper trail of UBC stock would be safe during his 12 years in presidential politics.

The Bush bank helped the Thyssens make the Nazi steel that killed Allied solders. As bad as financing the Nazi war machine may seem, aiding and abetting the Holocaust was worse. Thyssen's coal mines used Jewish slaves as if they were disposable chemicals. There are six million skeletons in the Thyssen family closet, and a myriad of criminal and historical questions to be answered about the Bush family's complicity."

There is no question that the Bush family needs to donate at least $1.5 million to the proper holocaust reparation fund. Since Prescott Bush is dead, the only way to compensate is for the main inheritors of his estate to make amends with surviving slaves and the families of slaves who died in Bush and Thyssen's coal mines. If the Bush family refuses to contribute the money to compensate for Prescott Bush's involvement in the Holocaust, it is like denying the Holocaust itself and their role in one of the darkest moments in world history.

Special thanks to John Loftus, Emmy winning journalist, author and current president of the Florida Holocaust Museum.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Yea but you gotta admit when anyone compares someone to Hitler that autrocity is the first if not only one that comes to mind. I mean its not like anyone said "Bush reminds me of Hitler due to the chipping away of the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of illegal searches and seizures." Just the blanket statement was made and mostly made in reference to Iraq. Hitler invaded Poland after years of appeasement during which he somewhat clandestinely built up a huge armed forces, which was forbidden unfer the Treaty of Versailles. Then Hitler sought European dominance and, with Italy and Japan, world dominance. No other justification was offered by Hitler - just world dominance and the preservation and development of the Aryan/perfect race.

Conversely, America and Britian's invasion of Iraq was at the least based in 11 years of Iraq's bad faith dealings with the UN. Moreover, no evidence exists that clearly demonstrates America and Great Britian want to call Iraq their own. Rather, our soldiers are losing their lives daily to try and give the Iraqi's a better quality of life than they had under the Hitleresq. SH (gassed his people, tortured his people, pursued dominance of other countries via force, etc. ).

Thank you - well said!

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
http://www.clamormagazine.org/featur...3_feature.html

Heir To The Holocaust

(excerpts)

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

A classified Dutch intelligence file which was leaked by a courageous Dutch intelligence officer, along with newly surfaced information from U.S. government archives, "confirms absolutely," John Loftus says, the direct links between Bush, Thyssen and genocide profits from Auschwitz.

A case can be made that the inheritors of the Prescott Bush estate could be sued by survivors of the Holocaust and slave labor communities.

By 1920, George Herbert Walker had already built a fortune in Missouri. Walker, a charismatic former heavyweight boxing champion, was a human pit bull. He lived life to the fullest, owning mansions around the east coast and one of the most extravagant apartments in Manhattan. His hobbies were golf, hunting, drinking scotch and beating his sons to a pulp. Elsie Walker, one of Walker's grandchildren described Walker as a "tough old bastard" whose children had no love "for their father." He was also a religious bigot who hated Catholics, although his parents raised him to be one. According to other sources, he also did not like Jews.

Six days after Pearl Harbor and the US declaration of war at the end of 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau and US Attorney General Francis Biddle signed the Trading With the Enemy Act, which banned any business interests with US enemies of war. Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany.

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government had had enough of Prescott Bush and his Nazi business arrangements with Thyssen. Over the summer, The New York Tribune had exposed Bush and Thyssen, whom the Tribune dubbed "Hitler's Angel." When the US government saw UBC's books, they found out that Bush's bank and its shareholders "are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country."

Prescott Bush received $1.5 million for his share in UBC. That money enabled Bush to help his son, George Herbert Walker Bush, to set up his first royalty firm, Overby Development Company, that same year. It was also helpful when Prescott Bush left the business world to enter the public arena in 1952 with a successful senatorial campaign in Connecticut. On October 8th, 1972, Prescott Bush died of cancer and his will was enacted soon after.

In 1980, when George H.W. Bush was elected vice president, he placed his father's family inherence in a blind trust. The trust was managed by his old friend and quail hunting partner, William "Stamps" Farish III. Bush's choice of Farish to manage the family wealth is quite revealing in that it demonstrates that the former president might know exactly where some of his inheritance originated. Farish's grandfather, William Farish Jr., on March 25th, 1942, pleaded "no contest" to conspiring with Nazi Germany while president of Standard Oil in New Jersey. He was described by Senator Harry Truman in public of approaching "treason" for profiting off the Nazi war machine. Standard Oil, invested millions in IG Farben, who opened a gasoline factory within Auschwitz in 1940. The billions "Stamps" inherited had more blood on it then Bush, so the paper trail of UBC stock would be safe during his 12 years in presidential politics.

The Bush bank helped the Thyssens make the Nazi steel that killed Allied solders. As bad as financing the Nazi war machine may seem, aiding and abetting the Holocaust was worse. Thyssen's coal mines used Jewish slaves as if they were disposable chemicals. There are six million skeletons in the Thyssen family closet, and a myriad of criminal and historical questions to be answered about the Bush family's complicity."

There is no question that the Bush family needs to donate at least $1.5 million to the proper holocaust reparation fund. Since Prescott Bush is dead, the only way to compensate is for the main inheritors of his estate to make amends with surviving slaves and the families of slaves who died in Bush and Thyssen's coal mines. If the Bush family refuses to contribute the money to compensate for Prescott Bush's involvement in the Holocaust, it is like denying the Holocaust itself and their role in one of the darkest moments in world history.

Special thanks to John Loftus, Emmy winning journalist, author and current president of the Florida Holocaust Museum.

Well, if this is the case, then give the money back to the rightful owner, whoever that is. It is easy to criticize someone's actions in hindsight. All I have to say is . . . people can't choose their parents, or their grandparents, for that matter!

I expect that everyone has some distasteful stuff that could be tied to them, no matter what the angle. Seriously, is there really anyone in a leadership role that doesn't have something in their background that could be questioned?