New album imminent?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

SYW is crap.

No argument. But WTWCT is a highlight of the county dump.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

No argument. But WTWCT is a highlight of the county dump.

It's so boring, I almost died listening to it.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's so boring, I almost died listening to it.

"There's no accounting for taste" - Stevie Nicks fan club President

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by sue

I don’t like Come very much at all….WTWCT…is okay…
I would say that, as I like SYW…

But I don’t like Holiday Road….really do not like it

When I watched the film in the 80s with my kids…
I could not believe it was Lindsey Buckingham…the song is so rubbish.
The lyrics…what lyrics er what lyrics ?

(I can still see my eldest having uncontrolled hysterics watching the squirrel, different film I know)

I mostly agree with the above. My assessment:

"Come" bad
"WTWCT" just okay
"Holiday Road" just okay, but the live version (with extra barking) bad

(In 2006 my mother and I went to see Lindsey. When he played "Holiday Road" she said it is her favorite song of his. I had never heard it before.)

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Villavic

"My new album reflects what I’ve learned from making solo records over the last 25 years, and it stands as a culmination of both the ethical and idealistic line I’ve worked to hold."

I'm intrigued to know the details of that "ethical line" resulting from what he says he's learned.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I'm intrigued to know the details of that "ethical line" resulting from what he says he's learned.

I rolled my eyes at that comment, too LOL! Especially the idea that somehow his music will reflect his “ethical line.” What’s he going to do, only use instruments made in America? Maybe refuse to use dubbing? It’s such a silly statement for him to make, yet it is consistent with his personality.

I hate Come (the song, I mean), love WTWCT, and really love Holiday Road. It still gets airplay to this day, which is pretty remarkable for a song that peaked at #82 in 1983! I agree with others who said the barking dogs suck. I can only imagine the thought process Lindsey had when he determined the perfect final touch for the song would be… a bunch of dogs barking.

[Villavic]

As soundtrack of a comedy movie, I liked Holiday Road, though not big deal. But it is just a pop song, and along with Go Insane album, it wasn't such a smart change from the Lindsey I knew, and it was far from the direction Lindsey had been heading since Tusk. Just my perception. OOTC was a good return to the Lindsey I liked.

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I'm intrigued to know the details of that "ethical line" resulting from what he says he's learned.

You have to understand that Lindsey is a very old man from a very different time. A time when aspiring to be an artist meant following your own instincts, regardless of what your audience wanted. To try to please the audience would be considered unethical pandering, whereas today it is the one and only consideration, as music is nothing more than a vehicle to build a brand to sell, sell, sell.

It was his ethics that drove him to insist that Fleetwood Mac follow up Rumours with Tusk, and to record songs like Come, fully knowing that the majority of the simple minded namby pamby potential audience would not understand it, and that the potential audience were the sort of people who instinctively hate what they don’t understand. And for those of us who think Come frickin’ rules, there is no way to express the gratitude we feel that Lindsey followed his ethics, because if he merely gave the audience what they wanted, we’d have been deprived of some of our favorite music.

Lindsey is a dusty artifact of the past. Today’s popular artists wouldn’t dream of doing anything artistically that’s might even slightly alienate their audience. Is not fair to analyze Lindsey through a modern lens, because today’s paradigm mandates that the audience be made to feel like their reactionary opinions in comments sections and message boards actually have value. And the audience isn’t even capable of discussing paradigms.

In any case, the video about “the new album” is clearly from at least two years ago, so I’ll believe there’s a new album when I see it. If it does happen, I hope that he stays true to his ethics, and the album contains songs that will be hated by the lame clownshoes who don’t understand Come or who say that Go Insane isn’t “the Lindsey they knew”. It will be glorious.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by sands of time

If it does happen, I hope that he stays true to his ethics, and the album contains songs that will be hated by the lame clownshoes who don’t understand Come or who say that Go Insane isn’t “the Lindsey they knew”. It will be glorious.

I agree with you about respecting his convictions to his art and not to satisfy sale numbers, the audience, etc. I didn't understand it that way when he referred to ethical line.

But I disagree about qualifying as lame clownshoes the people who dislike or even hate Come or Go Insane. I mean, you like what you like, good for you. Who doesn't like the same as me, that's their problem. That doesn't prove I'm better than them, or vice versa. For example I don't like reggaeton at all, some friends would say I hate it, although I don't think so because I don't like to be a hater. But I don't say reggaeton fans are lames or whatever, I just avoid that music.

Now it's interesting you mentioned Go Insane, a song or album released more than 25 years ago. So according to Lindsey words in his post, it wouldn't be included in his ethical and idealistic line he's worked to hold.

[HomerMcvie]

Don't let the lame clownshoes door hit you in the ass on your way out.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Songs like "Come" and "Red Rover" were included on Fleetwood Mac albums to challenge listeners and push creative boundaries. In the latter case, Buckingham wanted to build upon the framework he established with the acoustic rendition of "Big Love" where a single guitar underpins the entire track. This innovation allowed for Buckingham's work on Say You Will to possess the dynamism that an album like Christine McVie's In the Meantime lacked, where the production and songwriting was generally safe and by the numbers.

Certain songs on Buckingham's self-titled release (specifically "Swan Song" and "Power Down") demonstrated a willingness to embrace multi-layered electronic grooves, and that's something that I wish he pursues in the future. His self-titled album and 'Seeds We Sow were a bit too reliant on stiff programmed drums (ie "Blind Love" and "On the Wrong Side", so a willingness to collaborate with some talented bassists and drummers could also propel some of Buckingham's solo work to greater heights.

[cbBen]

None of the above concerns ethics.

An artist who prioritizes commercial success over staying true to his natural creative spirit is not ONE IOTA less ethical than an artist who does the opposite – and it is pretentious in the extreme to claim as much. (Also it's easy for Lindsey, with all the money in the world and then some, to say something to that effect vis-a-vis a struggling artist whose rent money is in question and on the line.)

The only "ethical line" Lindsey could be referencing that one might at least consider a legitimate ethical line is no autotune, no pitch correction, no AI.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I agree with you about respecting his convictions to his art and not to satisfy sale numbers, the audience, etc. I didn't understand it that way when he referred to ethical line.

Now it's interesting you mentioned Go Insane, a song or album released more than 25 years ago. So according to Lindsey words in his post, it wouldn't be included in his ethical and idealistic line he's worked to hold.

My impression is Lindsey thinks it's unvirtuous to pursue record sales, or at least to pursue them at the expense of other considerations. I assert my view on that outlook above, and would amend that assertion to add this: One could argue that when a record label spends money on your recordings, you actually have an obligation to consider commercial success and do what you can to see they don't lose it (plus, absent a special understanding, an obligation to your manager, who is working on commission).

As for Go Insane and Lindsey specifying the last 25 years, my impression is that with Go Insane, with "Holiday Road," and perhaps with Out Of The Cradle; Lindsey *was* pursuing commercial success [and understandably so; his solo career was on the line (plus, as I say above, the label had invested money into such projects)].

When the label rejected his would-be 1995 album, however (or perhaps a bit later as he encountered further difficulty getting his solo material released – see article linked below, or salient Lindsey quotes I list from it), Lindsey realized he was not going to have a commercially successful solo career – or, without the "large machine" of FM to help prop it up, even a viable one (a realization he describes in "Castaway Dreams"). At that point I believe he decided he would henceforth make the music he wanted to without any concern for sales figures (an outlook covered in the Destiny Rules documentary).

article I reference above: https://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/arti.../FMart115.html

salient quotes from Lindsey:
"I spent about seven years trying to get my material that's on this album placed and heard."
"I felt an extreme need to have it have a home and get it out so someone could hear it."
"It was difficult for me to find interest in that solo album. If it's Fleetwood Mac, that's one thing, but [if it's] Lindsey Buckingham [then] probably not."
"I would be completely happy to continue with this, never to pursue anything solo again. Because it's a hell of a lot easier." [I read "easier" to mean "easier to get my material released this way."]

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

"There's no accounting for taste" - Stevie Nicks fan club President

I'm more of a Mary Lee Jones fan!

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I'm more of a Mary Lee Jones fan!

That will always be my favorite Lindsey album. It's just quirky AF, and that's what I love about it.

When I used to have FM pool party weekends(all the Ledgies from Indiana and Kentucky would party all weekend at my house), I turned them onto Law and Order, and they loved it. Johnny Stew, especially. All the grunting in the breakdown.

stew.....STEW........SSSSTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!