Buckingham Nicks reissue is just the album.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

a LITTLE annoying???

she seems a total PITA thru the whole thing.... wasted out of her gourd and delusional that it is all about HER.

John seems majorly irritated by her at the beginning where she's literally draped over him and he has to crouch down and maneuver to get out from under her. Later she comes back like a pesky mosquito he has to keep swatting away through the rest of it.

i love how once he crawls away she's off to the side flouncing by herself and a few times mick looks over like should I at least point her towards the camera? She eventually starts draping herself around Lindsey like he's just a prop.

Conceited doesn't even begin to address it.

I was trying to be diplomatic haha but yeah she was annoying. i love when she's unzipping john's sweatjacket and he grabs her hand and pushes it away in disgust lol. and how he tries to reach past mick behind LB to strangle her w both hands while chris is trying to tell her to stay still/look at the camera. good times.

--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by michelej1

At one point Chris has to grab Stevie and tell her to get back in place during the photo shoot.

I will look for the old interview with Chris. She said something about not being able to be alone with John. I think she may have called him her old man. But I believe she was discussing the days of touring before BN.

thanks for looking...

It had to have been awful, being together too much in crappy circumstances and working each other's nerves, but if you don't have "quality" (i.e. not irritable and drunk/trashed off your *ss) time alone to reconnect in a positive way and discuss issues that might need to be discussed so you're both on the same page...that's not good either. and with both of them drinking, those fights were doozies. They did sooo much better when they didn't live together anymore. (although i think chris recognized that far more than john ever did.)

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

I'm telling y'all, you need to be careful making fun of Stevie, and her ways....BW boy is gonna have a major fit! Don't say you weren't warned!

[Macfan4life]

I think the album cover is fine. Its artistic IMHO. Both are topless but we don't see either of their nipples. It sort of implies this couple/duo are equals. Go back in the time machine. I Am Woman topped the charts 9 months earlier. Women were burning their bras. Marcia Brady was involved in a women's lib episode on the Brady Bunch. Its not like she is showing cleavage to be sexy. The way it was arranged was very tasteful and not selling sex IMHO. I found this quote from Stevie about the cover.
In 1973, Nicks spent $111 ($786 in 2024 dollars) on a white blouse for the cover shoot, but the photographer, Jimmy Wachtel, and Buckingham coerced Nicks to take her top off when shooting the cover. Nicks later recounted:

I was crying when we took that picture. And Lindsey was mad at me. He said, 'You know, you're just being a child. This is art.' And I'm going, 'This is not art. This is me taking a nude photograph with you, and I don't dig it.'

I thought, 'Who are you? Don't you know me?' ... I couldn't breathe. But I did it because I felt like a rat in a trap.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I'm telling y'all, you need to be careful making fun of Stevie, and her ways....BW boy is gonna have a major fit! Don't say you weren't warned!

Don’t be silly, Homer- it’s just you and your constant misogyny that bothers me. You pull out the slut shaming card a lot.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Aren't all those bootlegs? You can get a bootleg of just about anything. I have Christine McVie live in concert in Jackson NJ. Professional sound but its a bootleg and nothing official. Most Buckingham Nicks stuff for sale on the internet are bootlegs. This release is completely different in that its original.

This would be really nice as the new cover, especially since Stevie didn't approve of the original cover.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by BLY

Not even a blu-ray surround sound version.😕

That's just what I think of when I mention that surley Rhino always does a good market research and sales forecast. I mean, how much would it cost to process and release it in enhanced sound formats like blu-ray, dvd audio, etc.? If the revenue forecast is not enough, they only release the usual formats.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by bwboy

Don’t be silly, Homer- it’s just you and your constant misogyny that bothers me. You pull out the slut shaming card a lot.

Everyone in Fleetwood Mac was a whore. Maybe not Chris and Lindsey but each of them had major dysfunctional relationships and they would have been better off being a whore. Mick was a coke whore. Mick and John were groupie whores. Stevie was a coke whore falling into quick sexual relationships because of being up all night on coke. Stevie said herself that she would party the longest and hardest and in those moments whoever is still up sort of hooks up together. This is why I totally believe Stevie and Dennis hooked up. Both of them were out of control. Stevie hooked up and married her best friend's husband just months after her death only to then hook up with Joe Walsh when she was still married. It was the 1970s were free love and drugs were in full effect. Just about everyone was a whore especially if you were heavily into drugs and rock and roll. The craziest truthful statement Stevie ever made was that her best friend Sara saved her from being in a relationship with Mick because Mick dumped her and made the moves on Sara.
Being a whore can be a good thing. Its a little dangerous today but when you are young I see it as a positive attribute rather than a negative one. But I know Stevie is a woman and its a negative connotation towards women but men get away with it. You act like being a whore is a bad thing. I command you bwboy to embrace your inner whoredom. Don't let that golden hair get in your way.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Villavic

That's just what I think of when I mention that surley Rhino always does a good market research and sales forecast. I mean, how much would it cost to process and release it in enhanced sound formats like blu-ray, dvd audio, etc.? If the revenue forecast is not enough, they only release the usual formats.

"The cost to remaster an old song for Blu-ray surround sound varies greatly, depending on several factors, but it can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars. Factors influencing the cost include the complexity of the original recording, the extent of restoration needed, and the desired level of audio quality"

So depending in how much is "several" thousands, probably it is not big deal. Then the decision lays on the forecast of how many people would buy it in that format.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

They are all so wasted in those tusk photo shoots, but stevie in particular seems to be a little annoying at times, wandering off, hanging all over the others...at times john seemed amused and other times he seemed like he'd def had enough!

-Lis

Yes, when we see the live footage, it’s shocking how obvious her need for attention really is. However—and this is a big however—all of her movements and poses made for excellent photographs. Of all the FM members, she seems most dialed in to getting a result from the photographs. I love the photos that came from that shoot. On many of them, Stevie appears to be seducing the camera. Yes, she’s wasted as all get out (I suspect they all were) but some of her dramatic gestures, etc, I think were engineered as poses, knowing she’d be caught in a still frame.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Stevie appears to be seducing the camera.

Yes, and she liked to do that. And let's face it, she is photogenic. I just googled (images) "fleetwood mac magazine cover" and it appears covers from different years. If there are covers with just one member, is mostly Stevie. Just a few with just Lindsey or Chris, and I had to scroll down a lot (again, googling Fleetwood Mac, not a member name).

Yes, she likes being a star, but it's worked for her. I'm not saying it should be that way, but statistically, she's been the most popular. And general public mostly pays attention to looks and photos, and doesn't know the whole story behind a celebrity.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bwboy

Don’t be silly, Homer- it’s just you and your constant misogyny that bothers me. You pull out the slut shaming card a lot.

I don't know anything about your personal life!

[HomerMcvie]

Being a wh0re is great, until you've buried a few friends that contracted AIDS.

Get back with me after that...

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Everyone in Fleetwood Mac was a whore. Maybe not Chris and Lindsey but each of them had major dysfunctional relationships and they would have been better off being a whore. Mick was a coke whore. Mick and John were groupie whores. Stevie was a coke whore falling into quick sexual relationships because of being up all night on coke.
.

I will use the word 'whore' as someone who can't control themselves around something. And by that definition, Chris was a wine whore, and a toxic man whore and Lindsey was a coke whore for a while and clearly a control whore. And he was a toxic personal relationships whore. He said it best himself when he said the people you get in relationships with are a reflection of where you're at at the time, and he got involved with some doozies. Stevie was a fame whore, Mick was a money whore. John was a booze whore and a boat whore. Their sex lives were another thing.

Originally Posted by Villavic

"The cost to remaster an old song for Blu-ray surround sound varies greatly, depending on several factors, but it can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars. Factors influencing the cost include the complexity of the original recording, the extent of restoration needed, and the desired level of audio quality"

So depending in how much is "several" thousands, probably it is not big deal. Then the decision lays on the forecast of how many people would buy it in that format.

I suspect everything that didn't happen with this release was more about the dysfunctional if not outright toxic relationship between the two principals and their teams not agreeing to much--if any-- further materials more than about Rhino's position on any of it.

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Yes, when we see the live footage, it’s shocking how obvious her need for attention really is. However—and this is a big however—all of her movements and poses made for excellent photographs. Of all the FM members, she seems most dialed in to getting a result from the photographs. I love the photos that came from that shoot. On many of them, Stevie appears to be seducing the camera. Yes, she’s wasted as all get out (I suspect they all were) but some of her dramatic gestures, etc, I think were engineered as poses, knowing she’d be caught in a still frame.

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, and she liked to do that. And let's face it, she is photogenic. I just googled (images) "fleetwood mac magazine cover" and it appears covers from different years. If there are covers with just one member, is mostly Stevie. Just a few with just Lindsey or Chris, and I had to scroll down a lot (again, googling Fleetwood Mac, not a member name).

Yes, she likes being a star, but it's worked for her. I'm not saying it should be that way, but statistically, she's been the most popular. And general public mostly pays attention to looks and photos, and doesn't know the whole story behind a celebrity.

Stevie's whole goal in life was indeed to be a STAR. And she did whatever (whoever?) she had to to make that happen. Not a criticism; just an observation. So yeah she understood the assignment and WORKED it. Lindsey always had a more ambivalent relationship with fame; the McVie's were so quintessentially British about it and found it kind of embarrassing (fame that is) and annoying, though Mick loved it (though he never got it just from being himself but rather by being part of the band).

Also remember, Stevie, once she started seeing the photos that Herbie and others took of her understood very very quickly how she translated onto film and really studied it. She was up coked out of her head all night taking polaroids of herself because of ego, but...also, she put in all those hours and hours taking pics of herself studying them and figuring out how to get more of those kinds of images. She latched onto the fact that image counts for more than anything most of the time. She manufactured a persona for herself. It's always funny when the real Stevie slips through at times... like earlier discussions about her portraying herself as modest, and even prudish when we know her personal life was anything but. I remember when I first discovered she smoke cigarettes (eeeewwww) and swore like a sailor. TOTALLY not the image of the delicate, fragile innocent that she worked hard to create. She for decades has perpetuated this notion that she really just craves a quiet life, up on a cliff overlooking the sea with just her books and her sketches and her piano. Same woman essentially got that during COVID and bitched about how boring and lonely and awful it was... because reality is she lives for attention and people crowding around her telling her how great she is and whatever. "all i want to do is write songs" and yet ...two years of lockdown and how many songs did she write?? She needs big drama and big dramatic relationships to fuel her writing. I still love the statement she said to Rolling Stone not long ago "I worked hard to be who the public thinks I am"... which is her way of saying I worked hard to create this persona and make you think I am a certain person.....

She's also the best of them in spinning her responses in interviews to create the narrative and image she wants. She knows most reporters/interviewers do little to no research and will just print whatever she says. She has even used that to threaten the band on more than one occasion to get what she wants from them (more than what's been published about).

At some point all of that became more important to her than writing good songs.

[sue]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I've said it for almost a quarter of a century here, but I'd love to know her actual I.Q.

I haven’t a clue about her I.Q.
But I get where you’re coming from…

However, I’ve been listening to Fireflies a lot just lately…(don’t ask why, I don’t know)
She sure could sing…whatever her I.Q.