New Mirage tour live album on Spotify

[GJK]

I compared both versions of YMLF. The one released in 2016 (Mirage DeLuxe) is the same as the one from the VHS video (from 1983), although remixed/remastered. The instruments are in different places, stereo wise (but we already knew this).

This old version, however, is an edited version of the new released one (which is just over a minute longer).
The 'new' part starts at 1:15, with CM singing the "Don't break the spell..." verse, after which an instrumental break follows. This break has no harmonies or significant solo's.
At 2:14, we're back at the 'original' version, with LB's first guitar solo.

GJK

[Nathan]

WOW, this is quite good.

"...when it's been raining..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JzsMzwb0aE

Good Hold Me, and good Sara, too. When was the last time we heard those high notes? Awesome.

[soul_drifter333]

During this era I was a massive Stevie fan. I saw her 3 times in 83 and was in heaven, but she sounds horrible on this recording. Maybe the video offset the vocals, but her voice is in bad shape here and this must be the start of the shouting Stevie. The first 2 songs she is clearly over singing to an embarrassing level. This recording has been remastered and does have some unreleased versions, and generally I relish any new material that gets released, but some of the vocals are horrible. In the past, I enjoyed the rawer live versions, and while the version of Rhiannon on this is messy, it's still kinda cool. Not so much with some of the other simpler tracks like Dreams and Gypsy, which sounds awful vocally. Maybe it will grow on me...

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

During this era I was a massive Stevie fan. I saw her 3 times in 83 and was in heaven, but she sounds horrible on this recording. Maybe the video offset the vocals, but her voice is in bad shape here and this must be the start of the shouting Stevie. The first 2 songs she is clearly over singing to an embarrassing level. This recording has been remastered and does have some unreleased versions, and generally I relish any new material that gets released, but some of the vocals are horrible. In the past, I enjoyed the rawer live versions, and while the version of Rhiannon on this is messy, it's still kinda cool. Not so much with some of the other simpler tracks like Dreams and Gypsy, which sounds awful vocally. Maybe it will grow on me...

I do love her voice in Landslide. Actually, my first impression was Are you sure this is from 1982? Cause it sounded far better than in the Mirage VHS.

[jmn3]

So, I've done a fair bit of listening to this today on Spotify and I have to say - just like I was with the live tracks on the 2016 Mirage Deluxe release, I'm disappointed. We were spoiled with the live stuff they gave us on the Tusk Deluxe release.

The fact that the 2016 release just lifted the same crappy audio from the video release that we'd all heard a million times for the prior 30 years was bad enough but to reuse some of this same audio yet again 8 years later is just laziness.

General comments on what I'm hearing new on this:
-I love some of the songs that feature Christine's keyboard parts more up front - this version of Rhiannon really does that for me. We all talk about the arrangement for the last 35 years missing the guitar solo and being lackluster, but Christine is just as important in making that old arrangement work as Lindsey is. This isn't anything new and certainly something I've noted before but I just felt it stood out to me this time.
-Oh Well should have never left the set. I don't care that he didn't write it, Lindsey does this old tune justice every time I've heard it.
-It's clear why the following tour and every one since featured background singers supplementing the three voices.
-Stevie is a mess here. Landslide is decent, Sara has an edge, but Rhiannon, Gypsy, and Dreams...jfc
-I know it just *works* in the encore spot at the end of a show, but I love the pre-'87 Don't Stop. Christine's piano solo is just perfection.

[David]

Originally Posted by GJK

I compared both versions of YMLF. The one released in 2016 (Mirage DeLuxe) is the same as the one from the VHS video (from 1983), although remixed/remastered. The instruments are in different places, stereo wise (but we already knew this).

Unusual, with all that splicing and dicing.

I’d add that the video has a post-performance clavinet added to the audio, even though Christine played no clavinet on the song in live performance. It’s nice to hear YMLF on this newest release without a clavinet on it. It means it’s authentic to the actual concert.

I’m digging the previously unreleased renditions. I can try to start a list:

• Don’t Stop
• Dreams
• Oh Well
• Rhiannon
• Gypsy
• Never Going Back Again
• Landslide
• Sara
• You Make Loving Fun

Villavic, take note.

[Villavic]

The "Hold Me" included in Live (Deluxe Edition) sounds much better than the one in this new release. And it seems it's the same performance. Both from iTunes.

[Macfan4life]

Here are my thoughts. My opinion is the only one that counts around here anyway.
This is incredible. I am not understanding some criticisms. Have we all bought the same CD? I have not analyzed all the songs yet for a deep dive but here are some thoughts.
I miss this Fleetwood Mac. OMG we never got live harmonies like this ever again. Chris backing Stevie on Dreams is out of this world. Stevie always yielded the LOVE in "players only LOVE you" in Dreams to her back up singers. Chris sings it and its beautiful.
How is anyone saying Stevie's vocals are not good in this concert? She is really good. I love how Dreams and Sara are played a bit faster than what we normally would have got from this band.
No one knows the HBO/VHS Mirage show better than me. I have performed it as various members of the band in my bedroom for many years over and over. Most of these songs are from that show. You can tell by the audience and the singing and playing. For example that woman yells "Yay Christine" right before Love In Store. It was on HBO and its on this CD. Eyes of the World is directly from this show too.
However, I can instantly pick out 2 songs that are from different nights from the HBO/VHS concert. Rhiannon and YMLF. Stevie sings Rhiannon different every night. On this CD she says stuff during this Rhiannon she does not say from the VHS show. She says "Its all the same, nothing ever changes" And then throws in "DOES IT" She does it twice and that is NOT on the VHS show. Her vocals are less fried too. She sounds really good and ends with NOTHING EVER CHANGES, DOES IT? Thats not on the VHS tape.
The music and vocals are different on YMLF. Stevie's back up vocals are different and so is Lindsey's but biggest clue is Lindsey does not yell right before his back ups like he does on HBO. Its also interesting how HBO or the editor of the show edited YMLF to be more like the album version compared to how it was played this tour.
Brown Eyes and Sara and Oh Well are spectacular. Stevie hits her high note in Sara too!
Gypsy is from another night to than the HBO show too. Vocals clearly different.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh puhlease, I have Mirage on FUKCING BETAMAX!

Can anyone else make that claim?

[GJK]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Oh puhlease, I have Mirage on FUKCING BETAMAX!

Can anyone else make that claim?

No, but I still have the VHS tape. :-)

GJK

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by GJK

No, but I still have the VHS tape. :-)

GJK

Betamax was before VHS(wasn't it?). And I still have it, somewhere. I'd never throw away anything FM related.
I did regret giving away all my FM 8-tracks, decades ago. I found a Rumours 8-track in a thrift store a couple years ago, so at least I got that back. My Tusk tour book was ruined(glued together) in a flood 3 years ago, but I still have it.

I watched the Brazilian dvd of Mirage last Sunday night(with a bottle of red, and a couple other party favors). I WISH I had a counter for how many times I've watched it. I mean, these days, it's like maybe 4 times a year. But back in the day? Like 4 times a week.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by GJK

No, but I still have the VHS tape. :-)

GJK

I had the laser disc in my hands at Sears Department store once


My treasure was recording it from HBO with a bloody tape recorder at 2am on a school night. It was the last night HBO was airing it and I set the alarm and held the tape recorder to the TV for the entire concert. Picture it. February 1983!

[HomerMcvie]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war

Betamax was introduced in 1975,VHS in 1976, and by 1980, VHS had won the war. It's believed that one big reason VHS won is that there was more porn on VHS. Seriously. It's in the article.

[Macfan4life]

I am confused about one thing though. Before Second Hand News starts, Chris says: Los Angeles howya doing? Then the unknown announcer says: Please give a Boston welcome to Fleetwood Mac.
WTF
I played it back several times. Does he say something that sounds like Boston? Was the blow that good that night that he thought they were in Boston?

P.S.
I am really digging this new version of Gypsy different than the HBO concert. Her bridge is better on HBO but I like this take overall better. Lindsey seems to play better guitar too.
Hold Me is outstanding!

[sleepless child]

I don't think anybody has done Oh Well as good as Lindsey does it. Especially on this.