Fleetwood Mac on Dick Clark's *Primetime* New Year's Rockin' Eve - Page 6

dissention · #76 12-21-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by strandinthewind
My only issue is when they cannot reporduce it live, which I submit Stevie has demonstrated she can.

Like I said, if she tried to do Sorcerer a la high notes, or even Everybody Finds Out, she'd fall on her face. I think she's afraid to do those songs for fear of whether or not she could do them well. She doesn't have the vocal stamina that she once had and that's why I believe RTTG was dropped immediately; I'm sure it took a lot out of her.

Somajoseph · #77 12-21-2003, 02:06 PM

MACFAN

I really agree with your post. There are alot of vicious "fans" on these boards who seem to enjoy knocking what they dont like into the ground, along with everyone who dosent agree with them. I enjoy reading Johnny's posts, and Gaius, because they semm to celebrate the music and what we love about it, while respectfully not putting others down. A few of you out there are really a little too much. Lighten up, and remember this is a fan forum. Let's celebrate the music that has brought us joy for many years.

Joseph

MACFAN · #78 12-21-2003, 03:45 PM

MACFAN · #79 12-21-2003, 04:36 PM

Dissention elaborate on the volumes you have deduced from that one line. Hope this is free of charge? I spent a whole load of money on Christmas gifts!

diamondsnake · #80 12-21-2003, 07:02 PM

I know that I am going to get flamed for this, but I am going to go ahead and say it-

Everybody here really needs to grow up. I don't understand how everyone can sit down and write pages about if Stevie used certain tools or not. We will never know! No one will ever agree on any of this and it is pointless to keep on writing the same comments over and over again.

And Johnny, I completely agree that we should just enjoy the music. Who cares how Stevie acheives a certain vocal on each song? Her voice is very enjoyable to me and the best voice in rock. By that, I mean the voice I most love in rock. Even though most artists have more range or whatever, I could care less. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can't get enough of her raspy whisky voice. I love it...

SmthngOfADreamr · #81 12-21-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by MACFAN
there is no such word as idolotrious so I would'nt really concern myself with getting the spelling correct

Despite your lack of encouragement, I did check the spelling, and it's "idolatrous." maybe you should check the dictionary too

But seriously, I do agree with you that there is a big difference between being critical of someone and mocking them. Thankfully though, I don't think anyone who "mocks" Stevie here is doing so with much malice... except for Carne. (just kidding!)

dissention · #82 12-21-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by MACFAN
Dissention elaborate on the volumes you have deduced from that one line. Hope this is free of charge? I spent a whole load of money on Christmas gifts!

Oh, honey, it's gonna cost ya; I've gotta pay my bills somehow.

I just meant that perhaps you might not exactly be the most objective person since you "love everything Stevie does." That's all.

dissention · #83 12-21-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
Thankfully though, I don't think anyone who "mocks" Stevie here is doing so with much malice... except for Carne. (just kidding!)

Exactly!

dissention · #84 12-21-2003, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by MACFAN
Song parodies about her clothing (some of them were pretty vicious to say the least)

You actually took those seriously???

CarneVaca · #85 12-21-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
Despite your lack of encouragement, I did check the spelling, and it's "idolatrous."

I knew what you meant.

CarneVaca · #86 12-21-2003, 10:16 PM

Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya...

Johnny Stew · #87 12-22-2003, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by dissention
You don't seem to get my point, dude. It's not her voice that I'm taking issue with, it's how she decided to use it in certain songs. Thrown Down would be fantastic for me if she sang it differently and not so flatly and droning.

To me, the way she sings any song is part and parcel to the overall sound of her voice. And the songs you've pointed out are, to me, just more examples of the various shadings and nuances... those perfect imperfections... that I mentioned before.
So I honestly have a hard time figuring out what's so "atrocious" about the vocals on the songs you mentioned, and I guess that's where you and I kept getting tripped up. And probably always will.

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Originally posted by dissention
And I've never said I dislike her voice more often than not, that's putting words in my mouth. Actually, I don't believe I ever said I don't like her voice; quite the opposite, I think it's the best voice in music. I said I don't like some of the newer vocals, but that doesn't mean I don't get some kind of enjoyment out of the songs (with the exception of Thrown Down).

I apologize if I put words in your mouth regarding your comments about Stevie's vocals... it seems I hear more complaints than not, so I misconstrued your opinion. Either way, it wasn't my intention to put words in someone's mouth, and for that, I apologize.

But I'm very glad to hear that you think she has the best voice in music... on that, we can definitely agree.

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Originally posted by dissention
And, Johnny, were those icons at the end of your post supposed to lighten up your post?

They were just meant to give a wink and a nod to my last comment, regarding your screenname, not to necessarily lighten up the entire post.

Not sure what "tone"... if any... comes across in my posts, but nothing I've said, or say, is ever meant to come across in any way other than a civil and friendly debate.
Even when CarneVaca and I are "arguing."

Hopefully that's apparent.

strandinthewind · #88 12-22-2003, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by dissention
Like I said, if she tried to do Sorcerer a la high notes, or even Everybody Finds Out, she'd fall on her face. I think she's afraid to do those songs for fear of whether or not she could do them well. She doesn't have the vocal stamina that she once had and that's why I believe RTTG was dropped immediately; I'm sure it took a lot out of her.

I submit the lack of reproduction of the Sorcerer falsettos was an isolated instance when her voice was not in the best shape due to illness on that tour - note: she was sick for many shows before she had to cancel the shows she did. Of course, now that she has done it that way, history demonstrates she will not significantly change it.

Also, on this current tour, which requires far more singing than her TISL tour and currently is about three times longer than her TISL tour, the song "Beautiful Child" is sung to perfection and has notes seemingly as high as those falsettos in Sorcerer. So, she can do it IMO.

strandinthewind · #89 12-22-2003, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya...

snwriter · #90 12-22-2003, 11:16 AM

Johnny Stew--

You hit it right on the head about Stevie's demos. Though some meander and ramble, many of the "skeleton" songs show great potential. Lindsey DOES get too much credit about "creating" Stevie's songs.