The saddest song

[jbrownsjr]

Why
Oh Daddy
When I See You Again
Crystal

[aleuzzi]

If we’re going with pre-75 stuff, like some are, I’d say:

World Keep on Turning
Love that Burns
Trying So Hard to Forget
Worried Dream (stagecoach!)
Something Inside of Me
Without You
Man of the World
Before the Beginning
Homeward Bound (vocal sounds desperate)
The Way That I Feel
Why
Come a Little Bit Closer

and (maybe) Green Manalishi

Oddly, I don’t consider any Jeremy song to be truly sad (not even One Together) and don’t think about Bob Welch’s songs as either happy or sad—but emotionally and intellectually complex.

[FuzzyPlum]

I haven’t really analysed the lyrics (but then, is there much point with Danny Kirwan?)…. But I often feel a bit melancholy listening to Woman of a Thousand Years.

[DownOnRodeo]

I agree with MrScarrott's pick for a very sad Chris song: Over and Over. You get the sense that it's never gone right for the song's hapless protagonist and never will. Chris's voice and lyrics are gut-wrenching and haunting. The coda is like a descent into madness. The live version even gears toward angry.

Never Make Me Cry has sad music and aching vocals but as Macfan says it's there in the title: she ain't crying. (Unless the lyric is meant to be ironic?)

Saddest Stevie FM album song for me would be Illume (the latter with a big dose of scared along with the sad). (Goodbye Baby is a good option but has a bit too much optimism.)
Hard to choose the saddest Lindsey one because he is often defending that emotion with layers of irony and aggression (and, depending on the version, jauntiness) instead. Say Goodbye, NGBA, and GYOW should be sad but are instead triumphant and angry. Solo Lindsey exposes his hurt more vulnerably; Go Insane and Street of Dreams would have to be his saddest, though he gets worked up into an angry frenzy in some parts or versions of both, and the former's album music is a jaunty affair that obscures the slit-your-wrists situation being conveyed in the lyrics.

Pre-Rumours:
"Why" is a tear-jerker but it's full of hope. It's all there spelled out in the lyrics and backed by the upswelling, confident music.
"Man of the World" is a great contender but it's also hard to feel too sorry for this guy who is humble-bragging about his globe-trotting material successes. "Albatross" to me is very sad (I think of it as a good song for a funeral service), but it is also transcending and uplifting in its way.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

I agree with MrScarrott's pick for a very sad Chris song: Over and Over. You get the sense that it's never gone right for the song's hapless protagonist and never will. Chris's voice and lyrics are gut-wrenching and haunting. The coda is like a descent into madness. The live version even gears toward angry.

Never Make Me Cry has sad music and aching vocals but as Macfan says it's there in the title: she ain't crying. (Unless the lyric is meant to be ironic?)

Saddest Stevie FM album song for me would be Illume (the latter with a big dose of scared along with the sad). (Goodbye Baby is a good option but has a bit too much optimism.)
Hard to choose the saddest Lindsey one because he is often defending that emotion with layers of irony and aggression (and, depending on the version, jauntiness) instead. Say Goodbye, NGBA, and GYOW should be sad but are instead triumphant and angry. Solo Lindsey exposes his hurt more vulnerably; Go Insane and Street of Dreams would have to be his saddest, though he gets worked up into an angry frenzy in some parts or versions of both, and the former's album music is a jaunty affair that obscures the slit-your-wrists situation being conveyed in the lyrics.

Pre-Rumours:
"Why" is a tear-jerker but it's full of hope. It's all there spelled out in the lyrics and backed by the upswelling, confident music.
"Man of the World" is a great contender but it's also hard to feel too sorry for this guy who is humble-bragging about his globe-trotting material successes. "Albatross" to me is very sad (I think of it as a good song for a funeral service), but it is also transcending and uplifting in its way.

Yes. I think Never Make Me Cry is a pure love anthem in very typical McVie style professing her love for a man but she knows he has infidelity issues or some other issue that hurts her. She is far more direct in this song telling the man "go and do what you want, I know that you have the need" "I may not mean everything but I'm happy to have your love"
She is so direct. She is in such love she's willing to look the other way. Its not a Say You Love me song "if you use me again it will be the end of me" She's telling him, its ok, I love you so much. It wont make me cry and guess what? I wont hound you and make you cry about it either.
I am guessing this song is about Dennis who was a complete psycho. She also wrote Only Over You and Ask Anybody about him. Those songs also have this thread of you are such a bad guy but I love you so much I dont care what anyone says or what you do. I am loyal to you. One More Lonely Night is another such song. In any other woman, the lyrics would be a metaphor. But Chris wrote like this her entire career. She always seemed to fall for a bad guy or someone that did not treat her right all the time. She apparently made peace about it with herself. She ends the song, "Don't worry baby, I'll me alright You'll never make me cry"
I cant imagine a love so strong that she loves him so much that no matter what he does, she will never cry about it.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

Never Make Me Cry has sad music and aching vocals but as Macfan says it's there in the title: she ain't crying. (Unless the lyric is meant to be ironic?)

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It's possible ironic, but I think she really meant she is not crying. I find no clues in the lyrics that she is deceiving herself.

Not like 10 CC's I´m Not In Love. He insists so much that he's not interested in her that I think he's fooling himself. I'd like to see you but it doesn't mean you mean that much to me... I keep your picture upon the wall, it hides a nasty stain that's lying there, so don't you ask me to give it back... Oh please he's actually missing her a lot! (Big boys don't cry...)

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Yes. I think Never Make Me Cry is a pure love anthem in very typical McVie style professing her love for a man but she knows he has infidelity issues or some other issue that hurts her. She is far more direct in this song telling the man "go and do what you want, I know that you have the need" "I may not mean everything but I'm happy to have your love"
She is so direct. She is in such love she's willing to look the other way. Its not a Say You Love me song "if you use me again it will be the end of me" She's telling him, its ok, I love you so much. It wont make me cry and guess what? I wont hound you and make you cry about it either.
I am guessing this song is about Dennis who was a complete psycho. She also wrote Only Over You and Ask Anybody about him. Those songs also have this thread of you are such a bad guy but I love you so much I dont care what anyone says or what you do. I am loyal to you. One More Lonely Night is another such song. In any other woman, the lyrics would be a metaphor. But Chris wrote like this her entire career. She always seemed to fall for a bad guy or someone that did not treat her right all the time. She apparently made peace about it with herself. She ends the song, "Don't worry baby, I'll me alright You'll never make me cry"
I cant imagine a love so strong that she loves him so much that no matter what he does, she will never cry about it.

Chris had a propensity for picking men who did not do her right. She took too much **** from all the men in her personal life.....

Feels like maybe by the end she plucked herself up, and realized she indeed is "Christine F*cking McVie" and should be treated with proper respect.

It kills me that in her personal possessions listed for sale in the upcoming auction are numerous teeshirts and things with "Christine F*cking McVie" emblazoned on them in glittery sparkles.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Chris had a propensity for picking men who did not do her right. She took too much **** from all the men in her personal life.....

Feels like maybe by the end she plucked herself up, and realized she indeed is "Christine F*cking McVie" and should be treated with proper respect.

It kills me that in her personal possessions listed for sale in the upcoming auction are numerous teeshirts and things with "Christine F*cking McVie" emblazoned on them in glittery sparkles.

It's a thing. All the women in my family like @$$holes. They LIKE being treated like crap. They run from nice guys, like they've got the plague.
Chris seemed to be the same.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's a thing. All the women in my family like @$$holes. They LIKE being treated like crap. They run from nice guys, like they've got the plague.
Chris seemed to be the same.

well that's kind of sad...i don't think she "liked" being treated like crap. i think her own addictions affected her behavior in relationships. and i don't wish to speak on dennis or ed, but i do think john was/is a genuinely good guy who clearly loved her deeply his entire life. unfortunately, he also had a horrifying problem with alcohol. i think chris was a person who tried to see the good in everybody, i suppose to her detriment, being that she put up with more than she should have in many cases...

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

well that's kind of sad...i don't think she "liked" being treated like crap. i think her own addictions affected her behavior in relationships. and i don't wish to speak on dennis or ed, but i do think john was/is a genuinely good guy who clearly loved her deeply his entire life. unfortunately, he also had a horrifying problem with alcohol. i think chris was a person who tried to see the good in everybody, i suppose to her detriment, being that she put up with more than she should have in many cases...

--Lis

Well, I think John is wonderful, once he finally got sober. And I agree that her own addictions got in the way. No partier wants to date a teetotaler.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

well that's kind of sad...i don't think she "liked" being treated like crap. i think her own addictions affected her behavior in relationships. and i don't wish to speak on dennis or ed, but i do think john was/is a genuinely good guy who clearly loved her deeply his entire life. unfortunately, he also had a horrifying problem with alcohol. i think chris was a person who tried to see the good in everybody, i suppose to her detriment, being that she put up with more than she should have in many cases...

--Lis

Dennis was a dog......but one who could be very charming for five minutes at a time it seems. He was cute, he was sweet (sometimes) and he was never faithful to her (or anyone). I never really got him. I mean as a fling, sure, but..... A guy who breaks your antique furniture, who dumps his kid on you (who said she was great), who spends your money, who f*cks around...... I mean jeebus I hope the hell he was miraculous in bed because... (but even then... cooties....

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Dennis was a dog......but one who could be very charming for five minutes at a time it seems. He was cute, he was sweet (sometimes) and he was never faithful to her (or anyone). I never really got him. I mean as a fling, sure, but..... A guy who breaks your antique furniture, who dumps his kid on you (who said she was great), who spends your money, who f*cks around...... I mean jeebus I hope the hell he was miraculous in bed because... (but even then... cooties....

I always thought the same thing, on people who hang with losers. That loser must be a good bell ringer!

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Dennis was a dog......but one who could be very charming for five minutes at a time it seems. He was cute, he was sweet (sometimes) and he was never faithful to her (or anyone). I never really got him. I mean as a fling, sure, but..... A guy who breaks your antique furniture, who dumps his kid on you (who said she was great), who spends your money, who f*cks around...... I mean jeebus I hope the hell he was miraculous in bed because... (but even then... cooties....

******clears throat*****
You forgot to mention he lived with Charles Manson

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I always thought the same thing, on people who hang with losers. That loser must be a good bell ringer!

how good a bell ringer can one be when you're smashed off your *ss? she was cleaning up his puke and wiping his bottom. is doing that gonna put you in the mood for romance later on?? i don't get it either.

--Lis

[bombaysaffires]

Ironically, someone has just posted a link to a Creem article from 1982 which says in part: "An electrician who did some wiring in her home assures CREEM that keyboardist Christine McVie, in marked contrast to her boyfriend at the time, Dennis Wilson, is as unaffected and gracious a person as one might yearn to do wiring for"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lQb...B1sxeuOTn/view