Mick Fleetwood wants the LB/SN rift to heal

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Remember several months ago, when you got all bent out of shape over a situation with someone else, and the bottom line was that YOU completely misinterpreted the meaning of their post, and you stomped off after throwing a fit? And then you had to eat crow, then disappeared for several months?

Pepperidge Farm remembers...

I totally remember that! I didn’t stomp off- I apologized to that person. See, when I act like a jerk and say something nasty in the heat of the moment, I’m more than willing to eat crow and sincerely apologize. Something else I don’t do is post on this board telling people to “go back to their Stevie shrine,” which is your way of saying “quit posting here.” How about instead of saying “you’re delusional,” you say “I don’t agree with you?” It’s so much more polite, and it still gets your message across. And as mentioned by others, your behavior is not towards me alone. You really seem to get nasty with people who have a difference of opinion, and there’s really no need for it. But instead of both of us hijacking this thread, why not PM me when you want to call me names? That way we’re not dragging the thread down with drama.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I totally remember that! I didn’t stomp off- I apologized to that person. See, when I act like a jerk and say something nasty in the heat of the moment, I’m more than willing to eat crow and sincerely apologize. Something else I don’t do is post on this board telling people to “go back to their Stevie shrine,” which is your way of saying “quit posting here.” How about instead of saying “you’re delusional,” you say “I don’t agree with you?” It’s so much more polite, and it still gets your message across. And as mentioned by others, your behavior is not towards me alone. You really seem to get nasty with people who have a difference of opinion, and there’s really no need for it. But instead of both of us hijacking this thread, why not PM me when you want to call me names? That way we’re not dragging the thread down with drama.

Because I have no interest in interacting with you privately.

How about this?

STOP. NOW.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Because I have no interest in interacting with you privately.

How about this?

STOP. NOW.

ok, no problem! I’ll stop responding to your posts where you specifically say rude things to me.

[soul_drifter333]

This. Instead of Mick and Stevie doing fluff media pieces promoting themselves and blaming others for the band's current situation they should take responsibility for their own part. I think that the situation would have gone over better if it was handled better. Even if they don't think they did anything wrong, for the sake of the fans and the band's longtime crew, Mick and Stevie both should apologize. Haven't heard anything close to that yet, That disasterous interview on the morning show was such an embrassment. All it would take is for Stevie to say: I'm sorry to the fans that have supported and followed us for the last 40+ years, but the situation has become such that it is an unhealthy situation for everyone, so some tough decisions had to be made. We regret that it has come to this but at this point of our career we value and support a more healthy working envirnoment. Or something to that effect. Instead all we got, and are still getting are denials, and a squirm show as they toss the blame around and everything that they have worked for in the trash. Egos gone amuck and no one to keep them in check, especially not their money hungry manager.

For all the deniers and worshippers, anyone who has followed the band for any amount of time know about the constant fighting between Lindsey & Stevie, so it's more than obvious that Stevie (and Azoff) were responsible for Lindsey's firing and the way it was handled. Just as fans are constantly reminding everyone of the successful solo career Stevie is curently enjoying, makes the fact that she destoyed the band all the much disturbing. She should have left the band gracefully and enjoyed her solo sucess, but all we are still getting are attention seeking denials. Makes me wonder why I followed and supported these people all these years.

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I don't particularly disagree with what said. HOWEVER, the way it went down in 2018 was a bloody crime. If Nicks and her manager told Mick its him or her I understand why they picked her. But Nicks should have told the world her intentions and explain why she was firing Lindsey and hiring her friend Mike Campbell. Instead she stayed silent and let Mick do the trash talking. Good grief the things Mick was saying about Lindsey were incredible. The band was not happy with Lindsey and to be happy Lindsey needed to be gone. Then he went on to say that Lindsey would never come back to the band and this was a final decision. Stevie used Mick like a puppet. But Mick went along just for the money. If he simply cared about the rift then do that privately. Don't involve the fans, the media or us. But we know why he's going public. His intentions are financial for healing the rift which makes him scumbag of the year again. They year is only half over but he already gets my vote. Its so cynical. There are other bands that fire members. But there has never been this puppet show back and forth. Like I said earlier, if he really cared about the rift they could have put the breaks on the tour for a bit. But he wanted that cash too much.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

This. Instead of Mick and Stevie doing fluff media pieces promoting themselves and blaming others for the band's current situation they should take responsibility for their own part. I think that the situation would have gone over better if it was handled better. Even if they don't think they did anything wrong, for the sake of the fans and the band's longtime crew, Mick and Stevie both should apologize. Haven't heard anything close to that yet, That disasterous interview on the morning show was such an embrassment. All it would take is for Stevie to say: I'm sorry to the fans that have supported and followed us for the last 40+ years, but the situation has become such that it is an unhealthy situation for everyone, so some tough decisions had to be made. We regret that it has come to this but at this point of our career we value and support a more healthy working envirnoment. Or something to that effect. Instead all we got, and are still getting are denials, and a squirm show as they toss the blame around and everything that they have worked for in the trash. Egos gone amuck and no one to keep them in check, especially not their money hungry manager.

For all the deniers and worshippers, anyone who has followed the band for any amount of time know about the constant fighting between Lindsey & Stevie, so it's more than obvious that Stevie (and Azoff) were responsible for Lindsey's firing and the way it was handled. Just as fans are constantly reminding everyone of the successful solo career Stevie is curently enjoying, makes the fact that she destoyed the band all the much disturbing. She should have left the band gracefully and enjoyed her solo sucess, but all we are still getting are attention seeking denials. Makes me wonder why I followed and supported these people all these years.

All of this.

Can you imagine an uglier ending to the band of our lives?

Stevie totally became the boss. It's her way or the highway.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

All it would take is for Stevie to say: I'm sorry to the fans that have supported and followed us for the last 40+ years, but the situation has become such that it is an unhealthy situation for everyone, so some tough decisions had to be made. We regret that it has come to this but at this point of our career we value and support a more healthy working environment.

I’m sure legal, at the time, thought otherwise.

Most of what they said was exaggerated, but was mostly true. Lindsey himself said he wanted to delay the tour, admitted that he didn’t sign off on the tour, and was even telling fans after MusiCares that he was planning on doing a tour within a tour. Let’s be honest, Lindsey got in over his head when he signed with Atlantic and either wouldn’t or couldn’t take no for an answer.

For all the deniers and worshippers, anyone who has followed the band for any amount of time know about the constant fighting between Lindsey & Stevie, so it's more than obvious that Stevie (and Azoff) were responsible for Lindsey's firing and the way it was handled.

So, you admit that there was constant fighting between Stevie and Lindsey, but Stevie should take sole blame for what happened? Lindsey had zero culpability?

She should h,wave left the band gracefully and enjoyed her solo success

She supposedly told them that she was done dealing with Lindsey and that they were free to go on without her. They opted to part with Lindsey. However, be real, there wasn’t going to be a tour without Stevie. “She should have left” is a nonstarter. Fleetwood Mac already proved they could sell a lot of tickets without Lindsey.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I don't disagree with most of what you said, but when it comes to them cancelling the tour in 2018.....Mick would not have had the influence on that that he might have had on such decisions in the past. First, Stevie would NEVER let them cancel the tour, she worries about pissing off promoters and such and she wants to stay on good terms with them for her own tours. Second, Irving would back her up on all that 100%. And, since HE is now the manager of the band, HE would say they cannot cancel the tour. Chris and John, as much as I love them, would NOT stand up to that, I'm sorry to say. So that would leave Mick the sole dissenting voice (in this hypothetical situation) and he would simply be outvoted. Mick is not the leader of this band in the business sense any more and hasn't been for a long time. And with a personality like Irving in charge, who couldn't care less whom he irritates or offends (I see him as the type who will sweet talk you to get you to do what he wants, and then when you resist, he turns into an attack dog) there is no way Mick would hold out. Mick might be in many ways the glue and the heart of the band, and historically throughout all the incarnations of the band he's been the one to try and keep peace and reconcile with everyone. He really doesn't seem to like discord or conflict. Stevie would dig her heels in that she will not stand for canceling the tour, and Irving would back her up and the McVies would want to not prolong any ugly arguments and so he'd be odd man out.

I did not say cancel the tour. We all got odd vibes when 2017 was rolling on and no news about the new Mac tour. Buck/Vie went on the road and was done. Stevie kept extending her 24k Gold tour and told everyone she had no interest in recording with the Mac. Trouble was brewing behind the scenes once the Buck/Vie tour ended and the 24K Gold tour ended. They should have sat Stevie in a room and done an intervention. They could have done the same with Lindsey too. Both of them cut the crap for this last tour that was scheduled. If it took 4 months for cooler heads to prevail then it was worth it. Instead there was an ultimatum issued and the band made their choice. Of course all of this ran the risk of making Stevie so angry she would just leave the band. I am sure that is why they chose not to do it. But Chris and John should have used some tough love.

[secret love]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I don't particularly disagree with what said. HOWEVER, the way it went down in 2018 was a bloody crime. If Nicks and her manager told Mick its him or her I understand why they picked her. But Nicks should have told the world her intentions and explain why she was firing Lindsey and hiring her friend Mike Campbell. Instead she stayed silent and let Mick do the trash talking. Good grief the things Mick was saying about Lindsey were incredible. The band was not happy with Lindsey and to be happy Lindsey needed to be gone. Then he went on to say that Lindsey would never come back to the band and this was a final decision. Stevie used Mick like a puppet. But Mick went along just for the money. If he simply cared about the rift then do that privately. Don't involve the fans, the media or us. But we know why he's going public. His intentions are financial for healing the rift which makes him scumbag of the year again. They year is only half over but he already gets my vote. Its so cynical. There are other bands that fire members. But there has never been this puppet show back and forth. Like I said earlier, if he really cared about the rift they could have put the breaks on the tour for a bit. But he wanted that cash too much.

So sacking someone is a felony now? Wow, you guys have tough laws in the States. I mean they already paid Lindsey off in a civil settlement, what more were Fleetwood Mac supposed to do. I AGREE! THEY SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL.

CHRISTINE EXCEPTED!!!!!

Edited to add: 2018 was, no sh*t, 6 years ago - and the most talented and neutral member of the band has since passed away. It would have been her birthday two days ago. Yes - I personally wish Stevie had done Landslide with Lindsey instead of Harry Styles to commemorate the occasion for her "best friend in the whole world" Christine, but sh*t happens. She chose Harry. Oh well.

In ten years time (2034), are we going to be lamenting the fact that Stevie died without making up with Lindsey? I mean even Lindsey himself would undoubtedly have the self awareness and decency if he doesn't die first, to be respectful of Stevie's death.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by secret love

So sacking someone is a felony now? Wow, you guys have tough laws in the States. I mean they already paid Lindsey off in a civil settlement, what more were Fleetwood Mac supposed to do. I AGREE! THEY SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL.

CHRISTINE EXCEPTED!!!!!

Edited to add: 2018 was, no sh*t, 6 years ago - and the most talented and neutral member of the band has since passed away. It would have been her birthday two days ago. Yes - I personally wish Stevie had done Landslide with Lindsey instead of Harry Styles to commemorate the occasion for her "best friend in the whole world" Christine, but sh*t happens. She chose Harry. Oh well.

In ten years time (2034), are we going to be lamenting the fact that Stevie died without making up with Lindsey? I mean even Lindsey himself would undoubtedly have the self awareness and decency if he doesn't die first, to be respectful of Stevie's death.

I don't know what country you reside, but they did not "pay Lindsey off" as you state. The band was in breach of contract for disbarring Lindsey from making money off a tour that he was contractually obligated to do. If the case had continued to trial, the band's attorneys would have had to explain to jurors why Lindsey was terminated. Mick could never explain it and it would have been a treat to see him squirm under oath. The band settled because they could have lost even more money

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I did not say cancel the tour. We all got odd vibes when 2017 was rolling on and no news about the new Mac tour. Buck/Vie went on the road and was done. Stevie kept extending her 24k Gold tour and told everyone she had no interest in recording with the Mac. Trouble was brewing behind the scenes once the Buck/Vie tour ended and the 24K Gold tour ended. They should have sat Stevie in a room and done an intervention. They could have done the same with Lindsey too. Both of them cut the crap for this last tour that was scheduled. If it took 4 months for cooler heads to prevail then it was worth it. Instead there was an ultimatum issued and the band made their choice. Of course all of this ran the risk of making Stevie so angry she would just leave the band. I am sure that is why they chose not to do it. But Chris and John should have used some tough love.

Used tough love to do what, though? by that point, trying to mediate between those two must have been tried 1000 times before. They weren't getting any younger. Neither J nor C wanted to leave the tour, they were friggin happy, although Chris was sick up to here of the eternal drama between L and S. It must have been like kids hearing their parents fighting constantly for yeeeears, stressing out the whole family in this toxic dark cloud, and thinking, 'Jesus, we love you both but just get a f$#@* divorce already, because you're making the rest of us miserable. we want this family to be together, but this isn't getting better, and one of you at this point has to go.'

I'm sure there was sadness when the decision was made, and Chris hated what went down in terms of losing LB, but I'd bet that sadness may have been quickly overshadowed by relief.

i guess the rest of us obsess endlessly over the 'if only so-and-so had done such-and-such, maybe the problem could have been fixed' but i wonder if the band members did that beyond a certain point. i doubt it. I think they accepted it and said, 'well this royally sucks, this should not have happened this way, but...phew!! glad that's over!! we're moving on.' and mick was just the one that had to kind of present that mindset publicly.


--Lis

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by secret love

the most talented and neutral member of the band has since passed away. It would have been her birthday two days ago. Yes - I personally wish Stevie had done Landslide with Lindsey instead of Harry Styles to commemorate the occasion for her "best friend in the whole world" Christine, but sh*t happens. She chose Harry. Oh well.

Stevie told the audience after the performance that it was Christine's birthday.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

Used tough love to do what, though? by that point, trying to mediate between those two must have been tried 1000 times before. They weren't getting any younger. Neither J nor C wanted to leave the tour, they were friggin happy, although Chris was sick up to here of the eternal drama between L and S. It must have been like kids hearing their parents fighting constantly for yeeeears, stressing out the whole family in this toxic dark cloud, and thinking, 'Jesus, we love you both but just get a f$#@* divorce already, because you're making the rest of us miserable. we want this family to be together, but this isn't getting better, and one of you at this point has to go.'

I'm sure there was sadness when the decision was made, and Chris hated what went down in terms of losing LB, but I'd bet that sadness may have been quickly overshadowed by relief.

i guess the rest of us obsess endlessly over the 'if only so-and-so had done such-and-such, maybe the problem could have been fixed' but i wonder if the band members did that beyond a certain point. i doubt it. I think they accepted it and said, 'well this royally sucks, this should not have happened this way, but...phew!! glad that's over!! we're moving on.' and mick was just the one that had to kind of present that mindset publicly.


--Lis

How about this.....

Christine to Stevie: Stevie dear. When you called me to come back to this band I was excited to work with everyone again. I did not sign up for this bloody, childish nonsense. We are not in our 20s and 30s and have so little time left. Stop playing the victim. We will talk to Lindsey about his crap. You can ignore him every day and every night but we need to do this as our final act. Do it for for yourself. If not for me then do it for the world!

[soul_drifter333]

You made some valid points, but that very drama made the band millionaires. Not only that, the band milked and chased the L&S drama all the way to the end. No doubt if they were still together L&S would still be milking it. So can they really have it both ways or did it end up comsuming them?

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

Used tough love to do what, though? by that point, trying to mediate between those two must have been tried 1000 times before. They weren't getting any younger. Neither J nor C wanted to leave the tour, they were friggin happy, although Chris was sick up to here of the eternal drama between L and S. It must have been like kids hearing their parents fighting constantly for yeeeears, stressing out the whole family in this toxic dark cloud, and thinking, 'Jesus, we love you both but just get a f$#@* divorce already, because you're making the rest of us miserable. we want this family to be together, but this isn't getting better, and one of you at this point has to go.'

I'm sure there was sadness when the decision was made, and Chris hated what went down in terms of losing LB, but I'd bet that sadness may have been quickly overshadowed by relief.

i guess the rest of us obsess endlessly over the 'if only so-and-so had done such-and-such, maybe the problem could have been fixed' but i wonder if the band members did that beyond a certain point. i doubt it. I think they accepted it and said, 'well this royally sucks, this should not have happened this way, but...phew!! glad that's over!! we're moving on.' and mick was just the one that had to kind of present that mindset publicly.


--Lis

[soul_drifter333]

Do you read your own posts? This is silly at best.

Originally Posted by secret love

So sacking someone is a felony now? Wow, you guys have tough laws in the States. I mean they already paid Lindsey off in a civil settlement, what more were Fleetwood Mac supposed to do. I AGREE! THEY SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL.

CHRISTINE EXCEPTED!!!!!

Edited to add: 2018 was, no sh*t, 6 years ago - and the most talented and neutral member of the band has since passed away. It would have been her birthday two days ago. Yes - I personally wish Stevie had done Landslide with Lindsey instead of Harry Styles to commemorate the occasion for her "best friend in the whole world" Christine, but sh*t happens. She chose Harry. Oh well.

In ten years time (2034), are we going to be lamenting the fact that Stevie died without making up with Lindsey? I mean even Lindsey himself would undoubtedly have the self awareness and decency if he doesn't die first, to be respectful of Stevie's death.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

Do you read your own posts? This is silly at best.

Careful, they get offended easily, and will call for your ouster from the Ledge!