Technical difficulties or is this the new "Dreams"

[UnwindedDreams]

I think Al is right that it was Stevie’s self-imposed rule that Sara, Gypsy, and Beautiful Child couldn’t be performed outside of a FM concert. In 2007, she said she wanted to do Silver Springs on tour; I really doubt Lindsey called her and said don’t play it in your set.

I do think with Irving Azoff as Stevie and FM’s consultant, there will be some performances as Fleetwood Mac “Honoring the Legacy of Christine McVie ”in the future. And I’d predict Sheryl Crow will be a part of them.
I would only go if Billy, Rick, and Lindsey were a part of them. Dave Walker and Jeremy could be too but the 3 I first mentioned would have to be there for me. Just my opinion.

[BigAl84]

It really makes me wonder what really happened when it comes to a lot of these Stevie vs Fleetwood Mac stories that she's talked about for decades.

She likes to claim that she sacrificed a lot of her solo career for carving out time for Fleetwood Mac (it's like the army, after all). I'd argue that drugs and rehab took more time away from her solo career than anything.

Did a copy of Bella Donna really get tossed to the corner of the Studio as a slight to her or did somebody simply have to move it to make room for the english muffin pizzas and Courvoisier® at 2AM?

Christine's recent comments about there not being as much fighting as people like to think/write about comes to mind. I was just reading Ken's book about Tusk and there's this whole dramatic section about Sara and how hard Stevie would have to fight to have the band work on the song, all of this big build up to playing Lindsey the demo and selling him on the song, what a herculean task it was going to be to get Lindsey on board etc. They play it for him and he instantly said "this is a great song, let's do it"

[UnwindedDreams]

Watch in Toronto tonight she’ll do Seven Wonders, all her Tusk songs, and Crystal

[UnwindedDreams]

Sara is gone from the setlist. So if you see her solo show, the extra song you get is Soldier's Angel.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Sara is gone from the setlist. So if you see her solo show, the extra song you get is Soldier's Angel.

SA isn't a song most of us would have chosen but at least she's doing one of her own obscure songs over a cover from someone else we cannot stand to hear. I still wish she'd sing songs of hers that have never been performed onstage before. There are so many she could choose from. Personally I don't need to hear Sara at a SN concert because it sounds better with FM to me. I wish she'd not do any FM songs on her solo tours and vice versa. Plus that would make her more inclined to WANT to do more FM tours, so she could actually sing those songs onstage with a better group of musicians.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Plus that would make her more inclined to WANT to do more FM tours, so she could actually sing those songs onstage with a better group of musicians.

FM? Who? Lindsey was fired, and Christine is dead.

FM is dead. If not, they should be now.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by vivfox

SA isn't a song most of us would have chosen but at least she's doing one of her own obscure songs over a cover from someone else we cannot stand to hear. I still wish she'd sing songs of hers that have never been performed onstage before. There are so many she could choose from. Personally I don't need to hear Sara at a SN concert because it sounds better with FM to me. I wish she'd not do any FM songs on her solo tours and vice versa. Plus that would make her more inclined to WANT to do more FM tours, so she could actually sing those songs onstage with a better group of musicians.

I’d rather Show Them The Way over Soldier’s Angel just to hear something different but she makes like Show Them the Way never existed.
Illuminate would be a great tribute for the people of Ukraine.
I agree that this tour’s Sara is not sounding great. I think the Soundstage one was her best solo version.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I’d rather Show Them The Way over Soldier’s Angel just to hear something different but she makes like Show Them the Way never existed.
Illuminate would be a great tribute for the people of Ukraine.
I agree that this tour’s Sara is not sounding great. I think the Soundstage one was her best solo version.

and yet wasn't it like 'her best song ever' and all that??

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

and yet wasn't it like 'her best song ever' and all that??

She said it's there with Edge of Seventeen and Stand Back and that she should have been out performing it in October 2020.

However well over 1 year ago, she said she recorded one of her best songs she's written called "The Vampire's Wife."

Apparently at her shows now she has a shirt with the 24 Karat Gold album cover on it too but no songs being played from that.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

FM? Who? Lindsey was fired, and Christine is dead.

FM is dead. If not, they should be now.

And, not that he couldn’t get new stuff, but John McVie selling all of his gear should be the most telling sign the band is done.

Mick won’t do Fleetwood Mac without John. He’d do Fleetwood Nicks, Buckingham Fleetwood, or some variation of the Mick Fleetwood Band/The Zoo, but not Fleetwood Mac. That’s a line he won’t cross.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

And, not that he couldn’t get new stuff, but John McVie selling all of his gear should be the most telling sign the band is done.

Mick won’t do Fleetwood Mac without John. He’d do Fleetwood Nicks, Buckingham Fleetwood, or some variation of the Mick Fleetwood Band/The Zoo, but not Fleetwood Mac. That’s a line he won’t cross.

Didn’t he almost cross that line when John had cancer? I don’t remember the specifics but I feel like that was part of LB’s lawsuit - something about LB pushing against a plan to carry on without John if necessary (albeit temporarily).

A Fleetwood Mac without any Mac is not a Fleetwood Mac I’d have any interest in. Once John wasn’t part of that Peter tribute concert, I had a feeling we’d seen the last of him on a stage.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jmn3

Didn’t he almost cross that line when John had cancer? I don’t remember the specifics but I feel like that was part of LB’s lawsuit - something about LB pushing against a plan to carry on without John if necessary (albeit temporarily).

A Fleetwood Mac without any Mac is not a Fleetwood Mac I’d have any interest in. Once John wasn’t part of that Peter tribute concert, I had a feeling we’d seen the last of him on a stage.

They considered it and might have done it if not for the fact Christine was clearly rejoining. Otherwise, that’s a lot of money being left on the table.

I agree. Not interested in Fleetwood Mac without a McVie, and John was more done than Christine a year ago.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

And, not that he couldn’t get new stuff, but John McVie selling all of his gear should be the most telling sign the band is done.

Mick won’t do Fleetwood Mac without John. He’d do Fleetwood Nicks, Buckingham Fleetwood, or some variation of the Mick Fleetwood Band/The Zoo, but not Fleetwood Mac. That’s a line he won’t cross.

Yet it almost happened in Australia.

Originally Posted by jmn3

Didn’t he almost cross that line when John had cancer? I don’t remember the specifics but I feel like that was part of LB’s lawsuit - something about LB pushing against a plan to carry on without John if necessary (albeit temporarily).

A Fleetwood Mac without any Mac is not a Fleetwood Mac I’d have any interest in. Once John wasn’t part of that Peter tribute concert, I had a feeling we’d seen the last of him on a stage.

Yes. Lindsey wouldn't let that happen. He has loyalty.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Not interested in Fleetwood Mac without a McVie, and John was more done than Christine a year ago.

The majority of existing Ledgie board members would agree with you but the Stevie fans and the casual FM fans would pack those arenas.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Yes. Lindsey wouldn't let that happen. He has loyalty.

People said when Lindsey didn’t want Sheryl Crow in FM in 2009 it was because he didn’t want to lose any of his cut or he didn’t want to share Stevie. But I think it was out of respect to Christine. If Sheryl was coming in so that they would make a new album, which they would have never done because Stevie wouldn’t make an album with the 2018 lineup, then I would have said let Sheryl in, but hell no to bringing in Sheryl to sing on an oldies tour.

Even with his remarks about Christine cutting off communication with everybody, I still feel he respected her FM legacy in that he wasn’t going to endorse anyone taking her place to sing her classic songs as if they were her own.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by vivfox

The majority of existing Ledgie board members would agree with you but the Stevie fans and the casual FM fans would pack those arenas.

Unfortunately, you're PARTIALLY right. Stevie's solo shows haven't been selling great, right? I think Fleetwood Nicks would only sell, EVEN DECENTLY, if Lindsey was brought back. Even then, without John, I don't think they'd be selling out arenas. They're old af now, and sounds like sh*t. They need to call it another lonely day, and hang it up.

But you're right about John... the casual/ Stevie fan doesn't give af about who the bass player is. As long as grandma hands is doing her Edge Walk on her jazzy scooter. Wheeeeeeee! Her joystick is stuck! Wheeeeeee!!!