Stevie previews new song and speaks out for reproductive freedom

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Henley has been politically vocal and he's Irving's guy.

I think Stevie and her mgmt know she has a ton of conservatives in her fanbase. Because for most of her career Stevie's performance and image has been conservative, unlike Beyoncé, Blondie, Patti Smith, Lady Gaga, or Cher.

Henley is a MUCH bigger star than Stevie, IMO. He's the voice of the biggest American band ever. He and Glenn are(were) both douchebags. I think that's kind of their charm. We're assh*les.... but damn we're good.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Henley is a MUCH bigger star than Stevie, IMO. He's the voice of the biggest American band ever. He and Glenn are(were) both douchebags. I think that's kind of their charm. We're assh*les.... but damn we're good.

It's funny you say you feel Don's a bigger star because Stevie used to say that when she did Leather and Lace in her solo set in 2011. Basically that she rarely did the song live because the person she sings it with "is more famous than me."
In 2011, I agree with her, but not now. I think American Horror Story and Harry Styles really helped Stevie Nicks become more famous than Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

[David]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

It's funny you say you feel Don's a bigger star because Stevie used to say that when she did Leather and Lace in her solo set in 2011. Basically that she rarely did the song live because the person she sings it with "is more famous than me."
In 2011, I agree with her, but not now. I think American Horror Story and Harry Styles really helped Stevie Nicks become more famous than Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

What is fame, anyway, but a brief cha-cha-cha with the drunken Bitch Goddess of Success?

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

It's funny you say you feel Don's a bigger star because Stevie used to say that when she did Leather and Lace in her solo set in 2011. Basically that she rarely did the song live because the person she sings it with "is more famous than me."
In 2011, I agree with her, but not now. I think American Horror Story and Harry Styles really helped Stevie Nicks become more famous than Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

Eye roll. Really?

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Spot on. She never put her neck out there like Madonna did for persons living with HIV/AIDS for example.

Good point, but in this example I would say Madonna was much, much more affected by AIDS than Stevie… we all kind of think Stevie is sheltered and has her relatively small entourage, while Madonna was literally surrounded by hundreds of gay male dancers throughout her career, especially at the height of the AIDS crisis, so I can understand why was involved with that cause. Stevie did work for the American Heart Foundation, because of her father, so that cause was important to her.

[tothegypsy]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

It's funny you say you feel Don's a bigger star because Stevie used to say that when she did Leather and Lace in her solo set in 2011. Basically that she rarely did the song live because the person she sings it with "is more famous than me."
In 2011, I agree with her, but not now. I think American Horror Story and Harry Styles really helped Stevie Nicks become more famous than Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

I'm sure there was a time when Don was more famous than Stevie, but whenever that time was, it has long since passed.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by tothegypsy

I'm sure there was a time when Don was more famous than Stevie, but whenever that time was, it has long since passed.

I agree. Maybe it started in 2005 when he went on first on their Summer Tour, but she didn't think so.

She does revere him though. She showed up at his 70th Birthday concert and she asked him to do Leather and Lace with her at her RRHOF Induction. Could also be she views him as an elderly man whom she should give respect to now that he's 75

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by bwboy

Good point, but in this example I would say Madonna was much, much more affected by AIDS than Stevie… we all kind of think Stevie is sheltered and has her relatively small entourage, while Madonna was literally surrounded by hundreds of gay male dancers throughout her career, especially at the height of the AIDS crisis, so I can understand why was involved with that cause. Stevie did work for the American Heart Foundation, because of her father, so that cause was important to her.

I think that's an excuse for Stevie though. If you listen to her best friend Vanessa Carlton, Vanessa says artists have a responsibility to speak up. Vanessa was calling out rock bands for not acknowledging they stand on the shoulders of black blues players.
Stevie never made a post throughout her career to say "Black Lives Matter" when there were artists older than her like Streisand or Jagger who did. She never posted anything about Pride Month or the 50th Anniversary of Stonewall.

I believe Stevie doesn't want to lose conservative fans. The extermination of Roe is easy to speak out on because it's health care and the majority of the U.S. disagrees with the death of Roe.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by David

No one thinks she’s Joan Baez, certainly, but Stevie still has a right to publicly address political topics that she’s genuinely concerned about. I can’t begrudge her that, even if her batch of political songs (from, say, “Desert Angel” to “Soldier’s Angel” to the Kennedy thing and now this and the Buffalo Springfield cover) aren’t great — essentially they’re diary-speak interspersed with cliches and a few trendy slogans. I don’t doubt that Stevie is concerned about these few political issues, and she’s trying to comment on them in song as a 60s-generation pop stateswoman. The role doesn’t quite fit her because of her lifelong apolitical past, but she’s definitely feeling it now. She probably desperately wishes she could wave a Stevie wand over everything and make the fascists go away — she’s an unusually simple thinker on that plane — but when she says she’s afraid, she is. She’s afraid enough to start writing songs again, which is something we thought she’d never do.

I agree with this. She feels compelled to speak — and although it isn’t not opportunist, it is also a genuine urge to address something that means something to her. The sad thing is she lacks the political head and ingenuity to achieve that kind of big statement/original approach the best political songs invariably possess. Stevie is and always will be a self-absorbed writer, a weaver of words that address her private world in elliptical, semi-riddled language. Her solipsistic masterstrokes (Sara, Gypsy, Gold Dust Woman come to mind) are highly effective because she so clearly FEELS what would otherwise seem incoherent and opaque. And her passionate deliveries of mystical, private mythologies make them meaningful.

But when she’s trying to make a big public statement it doesn’t work. She is not a natural spokesperson for the masses. She is an enchanted and enchanting teller of coded confessions.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

I agree with this. She feels compelled to speak — and although it isn’t not opportunist, it is also a genuine urge to address something that means something to her. The sad thing is she lacks the political head and ingenuity to achieve that kind of big statement/original approach the best political songs invariably possess. Stevie is and always will be a self-absorbed writer, a weaver of words that address her private world in elliptical, semi-riddled language. Her solipsistic masterstrokes (Sara, Gypsy, Gold Dust Woman come to mind) are highly effective because she so clearly FEELS what would otherwise seem incoherent and opaque. And her passionate deliveries of mystical, private mythologies make them meaningful.

But when she’s trying to make a big public statement it doesn’t work. She is not a natural spokesperson for the masses. She is an enchanted and enchanting teller of coded confessions.

I love this ^^^. So beautifully written and I couldn't agree more.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I love this ^^^. So beautifully written and I couldn't agree more.

Agreed here as well..Show Them the Way and this new song/poem are excruciating embarassments.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I think that's an excuse for Stevie though. If you listen to her best friend Vanessa Carlton, Vanessa says artists have a responsibility to speak up. Vanessa was calling out rock bands for not acknowledging they stand on the shoulders of black blues players.
Stevie never made a post throughout her career to say "Black Lives Matter" when there were artists older than her like Streisand or Jagger who did. She never posted anything about Pride Month or the 50th Anniversary of Stonewall.

I believe Stevie doesn't want to lose conservative fans. The extermination of Roe is easy to speak out on because it's health care and the majority of the U.S. disagrees with the death of Roe.

Stevie speaks out about reproductive rights because it's a very direct and personal issue for her. She's shared that she had an abortion in her past and obviously she felt that having a child she hadn't planned for would have altered her life in ways she did not want, and would not have been good for her OR the potential child. She had the right to make choices about her body and her life because of Roe. She's not jumping on the Roe issue, she's LIVED the Roe issue.

Like someone said, she did the Heart Foundation stuff because it was personal to her because of her dad (and Lindsey's dad and brother... which is likely part of why HE supported her efforts in that domain). This issue is personal to her also. As someone else said, HIV was personal for Madonna, as it was or for Elton John and others. Celebs don't need to weigh in on every issue. THey're more credible when they have an actual connection to the cause they speak out about.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Stevie speaks out about reproductive rights because it's a very direct and personal issue for her. She's shared that she had an abortion in her past and obviously she felt that having a child she hadn't planned for would have altered her life in ways she did not want, and would not have been good for her OR the potential child. She had the right to make choices about her body and her life because of Roe. She's not jumping on the Roe issue, she's LIVED the Roe issue.

Like someone said, she did the Heart Foundation stuff because it was personal to her because of her dad (and Lindsey's dad and brother... which is likely part of why HE supported her efforts in that domain). This issue is personal to her also. As someone else said, HIV was personal for Madonna, as it was or for Elton John and others. Celebs don't need to weigh in on every issue. THey're more credible when they have an actual connection to the cause they speak out about.

Vanessa Carlton disagrees with you; she says artists need to speak out on all the issues.

So because Stevie didn't post "Black Lives Matter," justice isn't personal to Stevie? But it was to countless artists and entertainers.

[sue]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Vanessa Carlton disagrees with you; she says artists need to speak out on all the issues.

So because Stevie didn't post "Black Lives Matter," justice isn't personal to Stevie? But it was to countless artists and entertainers.

I disagree with Vanessa Carlton…I don’t need Actors, singers, celebrities .
to point me in the right direction ..I’ll make my own mind up about stuff, thank you.
In my experience most of them are pretty thick anyway, and only give out their fourpennyworth to keep in the public eye.

Apart from Marcus Rashford…he’s a good guy.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Vanessa Carlton disagrees with you; she says artists need to speak out on all the issues.

Nothing to do with this topic but some jurisdiction should really consider charging Stevie with at least a misdemeanor for even remotely trying to keep Vanessa Carlton barely relevant.