You and I

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

The “Hold Me” demo is a delight but the album version is a pop masterpiece.

It really is a masterpiece. Just a slight notch behind Gypsy in stunning production. Lindsey really brought his A game to those two songs.

I enjoy the demo, but there's no comparison to the finished product.

And of course the irony is that both of those songs were always hard to pull off, live. How do you live up to the record?

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It really is a masterpiece. Just a slight notch behind Gypsy in stunning production. Lindsey really brought his A game to those two songs.

I enjoy the demo, but there's no comparison to the finished product.

And of course the irony is that both of those songs were always hard to pull off, live. How do you live up to the record?

I agree 100%
Hold Me is a pop masterpiece. That piano riff at the beginning, the catchy lyrics, amazing percussion, and Lindsey's guitar solo. I once heard Chris say when she wrote the song, it just came very suddenly.
Gypsy is also a masterpiece. Probably the best bridge of any Mac or Stevie song. She nails it.
Both could have been #1 songs. But the timing was not there. I forget the songs but during each song's peak there was a traffic jam with some song just stuck at #1 for a long time which locked the top ten without much movement.

Lets not forget. Mirage was #1 for 5 weeks. I wish there was a video for Love in Store so it could have climbed out of the top 20. But like Mick said, once the short Mirage tour was over, the magic of Mirage was over. Everyone had their own record deals. They could have pumped more life into Mirage but there just was not time

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Both could have been #1 songs. But the timing was not there. I forget the songs but during each song's peak there was a traffic jam with some song just stuck at #1 for a long time which locked the top ten without much movement.

Getting into the top 10 back in those days was a massive achievement. If you look back at any top 10 from that period its full of instantly recognisable stars and banger songs- far different to today. That's not to say hitting the top 10 is easy these days, but there are relatively few contemporary hits that will have a lasting legacy.

[BLY]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I agree 100%


Lets not forget. Mirage was #1 for 5 weeks. I wish there was a video for Love in Store so it could have climbed out of the top 20. But like Mick said, once the short Mirage tour was over, the magic of Mirage was over. Everyone had their own record deals. They could have pumped more life into Mirage but there just was not time

The Mirage tour was my favorite and yes Mick was spot on. As soon as the tour ended the album sales/charting started to dwindle. I dig the Wild Heart tour in 1983 which was probably my all time favorite Nicks tour but would instead have loved more videos/singles and touring to support Mirage.

[ViscountViktor]

Originally Posted by tabruns

I think this was only true of MIRAGE and TANGO. She's on his songs on MAC, RUMOURS, TUSK, and SAY YOU WILL.

If you have any evidence of Stevie being on Lindsey's songs on Tusk I'd love to hear it.

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor

If you have any evidence of Stevie being on Lindsey's songs on Tusk I'd love to hear it.

I can hear her on "The Ledge," "I Know I'm Not Wrong," "Walk A Thin Line" and "Tusk".

"That's All For Everyone" has so many layered vocals its hard to tell.

I don't hear her on "Save Me A Place" (shame), "What Makes You Think You're The One" (considering what the song is about, no surprise), "Not That Funny", or "That's Enough For Me."

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by tabruns

I can hear her on "The Ledge," "I Know I'm Not Wrong," "Walk A Thin Line" and "Tusk".

"That's All For Everyone" has so many layered vocals its hard to tell.

I don't hear her on "Save Me A Place" (shame), "What Makes You Think You're The One" (considering what the song is about, no surprise), "Not That Funny", or "That's Enough For Me."

I'd always thought she was on a couple of those songs. Having listened through carefully, the only ones I now think she might be on are The Ledge and Walk a Thin Line. Its so hard to tell though. Lindsey's backing vocals can be so feminine they are misleading. There's a chance they are all Lindsey alone.
Anything and everything is probably buried in the Tusk song.

I thought I heard Chris' voice a bit on Save Me a Place....but again, It's probably just Lindsey.

[WalkAThinLine.]

I'm curious if when the decision was made to release "You and I Part II" on the album and relegate Part I to the B-side of "Big Love". To my understanding, the two songs were developed separately, but I wonder when the band combined the two tracks and whether or not the full version was seriously considered for release on Tango in the Night. Christine McVie mentioned in an interview with Musician magazine that they wanted an upbeat song to close the album, and "You and I Part II" certainly fits the bill. Do you think that Part I could have fit with the sequencing of the album?

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by WalkAThinLine.

I'm curious if when the decision was made to release "You and I Part II" on the album and relegate Part I to the B-side of "Big Love". To my understanding, the two songs were developed separately, but I wonder when the band combined the two tracks and whether or not the full version was seriously considered for release on Tango in the Night. Christine McVie mentioned in an interview with Musician magazine that they wanted an upbeat song to close the album, and "You and I Part II" certainly fits the bill. Do you think that Part I could have fit with the sequencing of the album?

IMHO part 2 is a better song. However both are pure Lindsey solo songs especially part 1. Part 2 I think we get a tiny bit of Chris on backing vocals (although its hard to tell).
Lindsey had one hell of a solo album going on in 1987. I just hate with Stevie, John and Mick's issues that prevented more Mac like material being developed. I think Stevie should have brought some of her classic material like Running Through the Garden. Lindsey's songs are flawless but I miss the Mac sound. But he had slim pickings so to speak. Closing the album upbeat was a good decision.
To answer your question, part 1 would fit. I would strike Caroline for it. But switching a Lindsey solo song for another solo song makes zero impact.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

IMHO part 2 is a better song. However both are pure Lindsey solo songs especially part 1. Part 2 I think we get a tiny bit of Chris on backing vocals (although its hard to tell).
Lindsey had one hell of a solo album going on in 1987. I just hate with Stevie, John and Mick's issues that prevented more Mac like material being developed. I think Stevie should have brought some of her classic material like Running Through the Garden. Lindsey's songs are flawless but I miss the Mac sound. But he had slim pickings so to speak. Closing the album upbeat was a good decision.
To answer your question, part 1 would fit. I would strike Caroline for it. But switching a Lindsey solo song for another solo song makes zero impact.

So….its interesting you describe You and I (part 1 and 2) as pure Lindsey solo songs. And yet, they are listed as BuckVie co-writes.
Does anyone have info on who did what? Are they McVie lyrics?

[michelej1]

Christine just added her lyrics to an instrumental that Lindsey already had because they thought “when I see you again” was too depressing a way to close the album and they needed an ending.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

So….its interesting you describe You and I (part 1 and 2) as pure Lindsey solo songs. And yet, they are listed as BuckVie co-writes.
Does anyone have info on who did what? Are they McVie lyrics?

IMHO they sound like Big Love, Family Man, and Caroline and Lindsey's pure pop craftmanship. Any of them sound like they could have been on his solo album. They sound like he's playing everything with sometimes a mild layover of a Christine backing vocal or Mick laying in some fancy percussion (maybe). At least on Mirage his songs like Can't Go Back, Book of Love, and Oh Diane are also super poppy too but we know the band is playing with him.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

So….its interesting you describe You and I (part 1 and 2) as pure Lindsey solo songs. And yet, they are listed as BuckVie co-writes.
Does anyone have info on who did what? Are they McVie lyrics?

She added lyrics and had some key riffs that they added. She described it as, "we both had unfinished things laying around and pieced them together". (Which led me to believe some of the music for both versions were hers as well.)

The other story is true, too. They didn't want to end on WISYA.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

She added lyrics and had some key riffs that they added. She described it as, "we both had unfinished things laying around and pieced them together". (Which led me to believe some of the music for both versions were hers as well.)

The other story is true, too. They didn't want to end on WISYA.

To which Stevie screamed, "Whatttttamatta baby...babbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"

Then she threw a blue lamp across the rented motor home.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

To which Stevie screamed, "Whatttttamatta baby...babbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"

Then she threw a blue lamp across the rented motor home.

The lamp hit Lindsey and the glass cut his skin.

The first cut is the deepest

Second verse!