Who do you think stole Stevie's demos?

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by trackaghost
I'm not saying they weren't stolen, but Stevie apparently is well known for giving her demos to anyone and everyone in the industry. I'm sure she must have given them to musicians, producers, engineers, music industry professionals etc. There is too many demos out there for it to be a few stolen tapes.
Or Stevie has very dishonest people working with her...

Can someone explain to me how demos work?

Why would she send them to everyone in the industry when she only works for one record label?

Is she so desprate that she has to send them to a ton of producers or am I confused on how the system works?

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Why would she send them to everyone in the industry when she only works for one record label?

Is she so desprate that she has to send them to a ton of producers or am I confused on how the system works?

No, no... it wasn't/isn't a case of her shopping her songs around. Stevie has always been generous with her music, and when her friends, musicians, etc., like a song or songs, she'll give them a cassette with the early version of the song(s) on it.

In the case of most of the demos/outtakes that are floating around out there, it seems that these were leaked by someone... mixers, engineers, night-custodians... who had access to the tracks at the various studios at which Stevie records.

[Jessica Leigh]

Ok... i have heard a lot of Chris Nicks bashing over the years... but have seen absolutely no proof that he is this shady character that so many of you have made him out to be.

i remember once some people were blaming him for the liner notes in the Rock a Little CD being messed up.... which i am SURE is a mistake of the printing company.... i worked for one for a while and i am somewhat familiar with what goes on and how often we let the brothers of our clients into the building to help put the pages together for stapling... lol... they normally hire some 19 or 20 yr old college kid and pay them $7 an hour to sit there and listen to their headphones and put the stuff together.... like i did... lol...

and on the demo subject... why the hell do you all think Chris Nicks would be the one who leaks demos? and also... i am somewhat curious as to why he has such a bad reputation amongst fans anyway.... what HAS he done that is so bad? I would think that if he was this awful person intent on sabotaging things in Stevie's professional life (such as liner notes and leaking demos that she doesn't want released) Stevie wouldn't have him around and as involved as he is.

Since first hearing all these rumors about him years ago... i still have never seen anything concrete to support everyone's claims... seems as though a lot of people here are full of **** and don't know what they are talking about.... and Tiff.... stop tracking Stevie's flower orders.... it's none of your business why she sent flowers to someone in Glen Parrish's family... and it's freaky that you want it to be your business....

[Gypsy Angel]

Originally posted by Jessica Leigh
Ok... i have heard a lot of Chris Nicks bashing over the years... but have seen absolutely no proof that he is this shady character that so many of you have made him out to be.

Right on sista, Jess Lay! People shouldn't judge a person based on what they hear. Chris is an awesome person, and it's sad to see him get cut down by people who don't even know him.

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally posted by Jessica Leigh
Ok... i have heard a lot of Chris Nicks bashing over the years... but have seen absolutely no proof that he is this shady character that so many of you have made him out to be.

I'm not bashing Chris Nicks. I've met him & talked to him on more than one occasion, and I don't think he's such a bad guy. I can't speak for everyone else. In regards to the demos, as someone else pointed out, Stevie is very free with her tapes among friends. I doubt she had everything under lock & key in the studio in those days either. Surely that's how the bulk of what we have got into circulation. But he's helped a little of it find its way out.

and Tiff.... stop tracking Stevie's flower orders.... it's none of your business why she sent flowers to someone in Glen Parrish's family... and it's freaky that you want it to be your business....

I didn't track anything. Someone submitted a bunch of scans she had.

[PenguinHead]

Chris Nicks may be an awesome person (and a devouted brother to Stevie) but he a lousy graphic designer. Stevie has allowed him creative control over some of her merchandise, and the result is amateur crap. Most of her tour books and her Street Angel cd to name a few....are all under-par. Stevie Nicks' cd artwork and merchandise (and Fleetwood Mac's for that matter) could be so much better than it is. Giving family members jobs in the company is an admirable gesture, but it isnt' always the best move.

[Jessica Leigh]

Originally posted by EnchantedSLN
But he's helped a little of it find its way out.

you know this for a fact? or have you just heard it from someone who has been told by "a reliable source" as most people say when they want people to believe them....

[Jessica Leigh]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
Chris Nicks may be an awesome person (and a devouted brother to Stevie) but he a lousy graphic designer. Stevie has allowed him creative control over some of her merchandise, and the result is amateur crap. Most of her tour books and her Street Angel cd to name a few....are all under-par. Stevie Nicks' cd artwork and merchandise (and Fleetwood Mac's for that matter) could be so much better than it is. Giving family members jobs in the company is an admirable gesture, but it isnt' always the best move.

that's fine- we can all have our own opinions of art.... but do you know which designs exactly are his? you could be disliking someone else's art while thinking that it is his... and even if he is a bad graphic artist.... how does that make him the shady character so many of you have made him out to be over the years? i just don't get it.... i thought i might understand after being in the internet fan community for 5 or 6 years.... but all i have heard is crap without anything to back it up.... help me out here...

[sara1998]

Originally posted by Jessica Leigh
that's fine- we can all have our own opinions of art.... but do you know which designs exactly are his? you could be disliking someone else's art while thinking that it is his... and even if he is a bad graphic artist.... how does that make him the shady character so many of you have made him out to be over the years? i just don't get it.... i thought i might understand after being in the internet fan community for 5 or 6 years.... but all i have heard is crap without anything to back it up.... help me out here...

simmer down, home skillet.......

Maria

[dissention]

Originally posted by Jessica Leigh
Ok... i have heard a lot of Chris Nicks bashing over the years... but have seen absolutely no proof that he is this shady character that so many of you have made him out to be.

i remember once some people were blaming him for the liner notes in the Rock a Little CD being messed up.... which i am SURE is a mistake of the printing company.... i worked for one for a while and i am somewhat familiar with what goes on and how often we let the brothers of our clients into the building to help put the pages together for stapling... lol... they normally hire some 19 or 20 yr old college kid and pay them $7 an hour to sit there and listen to their headphones and put the stuff together.... like i did... lol...

and on the demo subject... why the hell do you all think Chris Nicks would be the one who leaks demos? and also... i am somewhat curious as to why he has such a bad reputation amongst fans anyway.... what HAS he done that is so bad? I would think that if he was this awful person intent on sabotaging things in Stevie's professional life (such as liner notes and leaking demos that she doesn't want released) Stevie wouldn't have him around and as involved as he is.

Since first hearing all these rumors about him years ago... i still have never seen anything concrete to support everyone's claims... seems as though a lot of people here are full of **** and don't know what they are talking about.... and Tiff.... stop tracking Stevie's flower orders.... it's none of your business why she sent flowers to someone in Glen Parrish's family... and it's freaky that you want it to be your business....

We don't have to attack other posters for no reason. For all the things that Tiff has done for other fans, I don't think she needs to be insulted. I can't stand when people do that to other generous fans.

Why do I think Chris Nicks had a large part in leaking the demos? For the simple fact that he probably had a large amount on tape and he didn't keep them under wraps. I'm not saying he did it out of spite, I'm saying someone probably copied or stole them from him. That's all.

And I have been a HUGE and vocal detractor of Chris Nicks and have stated why on numerous occasions based on what I've encountered and what friends of mine have encountered. I don't feel the need to post all about it once again. Even if it was just a bunch of stories and rumours floating around (which they aren't), some of it had to be based on fact at one time.

Feel free to have whatever opinion you want on Chris Nicks, I think he's an asshole and won't be changing my opinion.

[dissention]

Originally posted by sara1998
simmer down, home skillet.......

Maria

[Bella Figura]

back in the mid/late 80's, a friend of mine house sat for Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall, and he found a demo tape of the material for the then unreleased "Steel Wheels". He swiped it, made copies, returned it and we all had copies of the album prior to release...

just goes to show, it could have been anybody...

as to the Chris stuff, I, too, have heard Chris being knocked over the years but around Stevie solo tour time, you always hear stories of people who actually meet him always say how nice he is..open and willing to talk to fans. So I will reserve my personal judgement until when and if I ever meet him. But it's just an old habit to pick on Chris for his merchandising capabilities that FM/Stevie Fans have, but I think Jonathan Todd has replaced him as the fan's whipping boy...

dissention...Jessica Leigh is a long time member of the Ledge and is also very generous with her fellow fans...I think we should leave their discussion between them...

[dissention]

Originally posted by Bella Figura
dissention...Jessica Leigh is a long time member of the Ledge and is also very generous with her fellow fans...I think we should leave their discussion between them...

Regardless, it doesn't excuse such rudeness. I just don't think personal attacks should be posted, do it through private messages or emails. When I see them, I'm gonna cry foul. Sorry, it's just how I feel.

[dissention]

Originally posted by trackaghost
I have no problem with Chris Nicks, I don't know the man and I'm sure he's very nice but I do know lots of fans were annoyed with him over the Stevie fan club fiasco from many years back.

Debbie (catdancer) and I can certainly vouch for that.

[Gypsy Angel]

Originally posted by dissention
We don't have to attack other posters for no reason. For all the things that Tiff has done for other fans, I don't think she needs to be insulted. I can't stand when people do that to other generous fans.

Why do I think Chris Nicks had a large part in leaking the demos? For the simple fact that he probably had a large amount on tape and he didn't keep them under wraps. I'm not saying he did it out of spite, I'm saying someone probably copied or stole them from him. That's all.

And I have been a HUGE and vocal detractor of Chris Nicks and have stated why on numerous occasions based on what I've encountered and what friends of mine have encountered. I don't feel the need to post all about it once again. Even if it was just a bunch of stories and rumours floating around (which they aren't), some of it had to be based on fact at one time.

Feel free to have whatever opinion you want on Chris Nicks, I think he's an asshole and won't be changing my opinion.

I didn't really seem to get the impression that Jessica was bashing anyone.... just sounded to me like she was defending someone who actually has no voice here to defend himself... what's so wrong about that? It seems hypocritical to say that we shouldn't attack other posters (which is great and true), but then in the same breath say that Chris Nicks is an asshole. So it's okay to attack people that aren't posters here, especially when we don't know them? Sorry, I'm just a bit confused. And no, obviously this is no attack on you, either... just an observation and opinion. People are entitled to their opinions, and you have clearly stated yours... I commend you for that.

Also, saying that someone may have stole copies of demos from Chris is just like saying that someone stole them from Stevie, so she would be to blame for that? How would it be anyone's fault if something was stolen from them? LOL I don't understand that either...