MOJO May 2019 - FM issue

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by cbBen

No, he wanted no walkout music at all. It's not normal for bands to walk out to their own recorded music and then perform music.

Right. This made no sense to me - why would they walk out to the Rhiannon recording? They have never done anything like this.

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by cbBen

No, he wanted no walkout music at all. It's not normal for bands to walk out to their own recorded music and then perform music.

Thank you. I will never understand why there was so much confusion about this, or why there were so many implications that Lindsey took some sort of offense at "a Stevie song being played." It's just pure stupidity to have any FM music playing before a live performance, regardless of what song it is, and he was right to be upset about it.

[elle]

some excerpts from Mojo interview here, showing both Christine and Mick in a really bad, ignorant, and callous light.

also WHEN exactly was that really bad time? AFTER Mick and Stevie fired Lindsey without telling you?

and so you didn't know what to do? and instead of using that famous Christine McVie spine you just folded to the lowest sleaziest common denominator? @christine_mcvie

— elle (@ellellew) March 20, 2019

so Mick, you say screw Lindsey? because he's "using that type of dialogue."

"knowing what this man has done in the ranks of Fleetwood Mac" as he's done such huge things for FM)?

so you fired him, but because he doesn't deserve it you won't admit that you did that? k.#circular pic.twitter.com/SicpY8nvOY

— elle (@ellellew) March 20, 2019

[michelej1]

Maybe someone should define “democracy” for her. Democracy does not mean doing what Mick and Stevie want. If there are five of you and only one or two people wanted it, then democracy was not served. You are in an autocracy and I hope you are enjoying yourself.

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Maybe someone should define “democracy” for her. Democracy does not mean doing what Mick and Stevie want. If there are five of you and only one or two people wanted it, then democracy was not served. You are in an autocracy and I hope you are enjoying yourself.

lol right? i was like seriously? this woman is 75, living her whole life in democracies, and has no clue what that means?

she needs to google democracy. it's not what Mick told her it means.

[bombaysaffires]

wait, she thinks "what we have now is better than what we ever had before" ???

in terms of.....WHAT, exactly? Can't be the music, because they're still playing the same old songs.

More fun??? What?

she could "see the problem" ? So why not say what it was? Stevie just didn't want to deal anymore?

And gee, I have no bones to pick with Lindsey, but it's great he's not here. Wonder how that makes him feel.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by button-lip

They used to be a family. Or at least that's what Stevie & co. pretended us to believe for so many years. Nice joke it was.

Originally Posted by michelej1

But anyway, I thought through fights and fits that they all had a familial attachment. Not true. The affection that I thought was there was illusion.

When they made that one appearance after The Dance was over, Christine said they all got in their cars and drove away. She said they'd said their goodbyes before, so there was nothing else to say. That kind of shocked me, especially since she was leaving the band for good. I thought she would say they hugged and cried. But that's not who they are. I shrugged it off then, thinking I was misreading things. I wasn't. They are not family.

Did they make you cry?
Make you break down?
Shatter your illusions of love?

Seriously, I don’t know where people ever got the idea they were especially close. I think Christine is personally close to Mick and to a lesser extent John and Stevie, but her relationship with Lindsey was always professional and not especially personal, which she’s talked about for at least 30 years. It always came off as being very in the moment.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

some excerpts from Mojo interview here, showing both Christine and Mick in a really bad, ignorant, and callous light.

also WHEN exactly was that really bad time? AFTER Mick and Stevie fired Lindsey without telling you?

and so you didn't know what to do? and instead of using that famous Christine McVie spine you just folded to the lowest sleaziest common denominator? @christine_mcvie

— elle (@ellellew) March 20, 2019

so Mick, you say screw Lindsey? because he's "using that type of dialogue."

"knowing what this man has done in the ranks of Fleetwood Mac" as he's done such huge things for FM)?

so you fired him, but because he doesn't deserve it you won't admit that you did that? k.#circular pic.twitter.com/SicpY8nvOY

— elle (@ellellew) March 20, 2019

I guess I don’t see the contradiction. Christine was having a great time with LBCM but saw turbulence in Fleetwood Mac (the nature of which we don’t actually know) during tour negotiations. Whatever drama there was wasn’t between Christine and Lindsey, but it was affecting the band as a whole. After MusiCares, the other three decided Lindsey was out without consulting Christine, but then the four of them came to the decision to play on, and Christine enjoys playing with the new guys.

As for “this is the best it’s ever been,” whatever. They always say things like that. Remember when Lindsey referred to the recording of TITN as a “healing experience” in 1987?

[cbBen]

"Democracy" (2:22-3:08 of www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEXglFYtGCk):

“Fleetwood Mac [had planned to go out this year but now] is going out next year.... I kind of put them on hold. I mean, I made this record. That was a year. Then I toured last year–off and on all last year–and did lots and lots of press. And then I decided to take this year also to tour all summer, because I did not feel that this record was finished. And so it did not make Fleetwood Mac happy but I said to them, ‘I’m taking 2012 for In Your Dreams. I’m sorry. And if you can’t understand that in your heart–how important this is to me–then I’m sorry, but I’m doing it, and I will see you in 2013.'”–Stevie Nicks 2012

[AliceLover]

Ugh, I was just starting to get over this. Then the MOJO magazine makes me re-live this from the beginning.

Part of me just wants September to be here so this can all be OVER. If you've lived through the Mac cycle as long as me, you know that Stevie WILL take her Stevie time. This ugly part of FM just has to end. Stevie will go on to do awesome by herself and I pray that Lindsey gets well enough to sing/perform again.

This whole FM debacle is just a nightmare. We need everything to be over and fade away...or at least I do.

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Ugh, I was just starting to get over this. Then the MOJO magazine makes me re-live this from the beginning.

Part of me just wants September to be here so this can all be OVER. If you've lived through the Mac cycle as long as me, you know that Stevie WILL take her Stevie time. This ugly part of FM just has to end. Stevie will go on to do awesome by herself and I pray that Lindsey gets well enough to sing/perform again.

This whole FM debacle is just a nightmare. We need everything to be over and fade away...or at least I do.

Yes to all of this!

[jeets2000]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

wait, she thinks "what we have now is better than what we ever had before" ???

in terms of.....WHAT, exactly? Can't be the music, because they're still playing the same old songs.

More fun??? What?

she could "see the problem" ? So why not say what it was? Stevie just didn't want to deal anymore?

And gee, I have no bones to pick with Lindsey, but it's great he's not here. Wonder how that makes him feel.

This is the line that is bugging me the most, too. It's kind of unforgivable. I understand promoting the band you're currently touring with and have been a part of for years, but in the context of this conversation about Lindsey, to say it's better than it's ever been with these other two and LB gone is an unnecessary slap in the face.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

As for “this is the best it’s ever been,” whatever. They always say things like that. Remember when Lindsey referred to the recording of TITN as a “healing experience” in 1987?

And I'll add it's very different from Lindsey promoting TITN and saying it was a healing experience, namely because of what I said above: no one could possibly be hurt by Lindsey's claims that Tango was a positive experience, whether that was true or not. Christine's words in this case are an implicit shot at Lindsey. Whether she believes it or not, some things are best left unsaid to spare the feelings of a longtime colleague and collaborator. Your point about them all saying "this is the best thing we've ever done" for every record is true, but this is a different kind of comment and a very specific context.

[elle]

Originally Posted by jeets2000

This is the line that is bugging me the most, too. It's kind of unforgivable. I understand promoting the band you're currently touring with and have been a part of for years, but in the context of this conversation about Lindsey, to say it's better than it's ever been with these other two and LB gone is an unnecessary slap in the face.



And I'll add it's very different from Lindsey promoting TITN and saying it was a healing experience, namely because of what I said above: no one could possibly be hurt by Lindsey's claims that Tango was a positive experience, whether that was true or not. Christine's words in this case are an implicit shot at Lindsey. Whether she believes it or not, some things are best left unsaid to spare the feelings of a longtime colleague and collaborator. Your point about them all saying "this is the best thing we've ever done" for every record is true, but this is a different kind of comment and a very specific context.

And - it would be equivalent to Mike and Neil saying that this time is their best time ever on the road. I don’t see them saying that - does anyone? Because they are not as stupid and as low as Mick and Christine. They would know it’s a slap in the face to Tom and their previous bands. Somehow Mac faithfully repeat the lines their management feeds them though.

[jbrownsjr]

It's the most insidious form of ignorance and the behavior of passive aggression. ^^^^ Backdoor insults... And maybe she's mad at him for revealing that she emailed him. Tough s***... You knew it was wrong.

[David]

Originally Posted by Feather Blade

Curious why you think they will want to knock on his door. According to the Billboard article posted by Kak125 on the Present Band forum, the tour is on track to gross a hundred million dollars on the North American leg. They don't seem to be hurting.

Perhaps the band wouldn't do the knocking, but Christine herself might. If Stevie wants to keep Fleetwood Mac a strictly touring band, Chris may decide that she wants to write and record more songs, and Lindsey's her obvious option.

Stevie: “What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.”

Christine has always shared Lindsey's sentiment that studio work is more satisfying and enjoyable than live performance. A permanent state of touring might not be Christine's idea of fun.