What can Stevie do to win back the many long time fans she’s lost the last few years? - Page 18

button-lip · #**256** 03-09-2019, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

That's your interpretation of my comments. It isn't true to the spirit of what I was trying to say, but hey, I realise things are not always interpreted the way the speaker intended them to be.

All I was saying is he was actually sacked for substantive issues. No, it was not fair, and I would believe it or not, prefer that he was out currently touring with his band of 43 years with his ticker intact. But was he an innocent angel preyed upon by the evil witch who wrote Rhiannon? NO, he was not.

That’s your interpretations of things. None of them actually said the reason of his ousting, so unless you have talked to Mick or Stevie or someone close to the band, you have no idea of the real reason. That’s what we’re all waiting to hear.

secret love · #**257** 03-09-2019, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by button-lip

That’s your interpretations of things. None of them actually said the reason of his ousting, so unless you have talked to Mick or Stevie or someone close to the band, you have no idea of the real reason. That’s what we’re all waiting to hear.

Regardless of the reason, whether it was that he let off a foul smelling odour at Music Cares, and could not be trusted not to fart on stage during the upcoming tour. Or whether he truly was trying to juggle solo and band projects instead of committing fully to the band and putting solo stuff on hold. It doesn't matter. In any scenario, for any reason, he cannot be a guiltless party. He is not perfect. Despite what you may think.

lovethemac1 · #**258** 03-09-2019, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

That's your interpretation of my comments. It isn't true to the spirit of what I was trying to say, but hey, I realise things are not always interpreted the way the speaker intended them to be.

All I was saying is he was actually sacked for substantive issues. No, it was not fair, and I would believe it or not, prefer that he was out currently touring with his band of 43 years with his ticker intact. But was he an innocent angel preyed upon by the evil witch who wrote Rhiannon? NO, he was not.

Do you not honestly think that they would love to broadcast what these substantive issues were??
They would love to have this stuff to say, esp Stevie.
Except all they have is that Stevie wants to dance and be happy, and then lies.
Lies lies lies.
So, I respectfully disagree that there is any substantive reasons. It’s more like petty reasons by a petty old lady who is lonely and miserable.

secret love · #**259** 03-09-2019, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lovethemac1

Do you not honestly think that they would love to broadcast what these substantive issues were??
They would love to have this stuff to say, esp Stevie.
Except all they have is that Stevie wants to dance and be happy, and then lies.
Lies lies lies.
So, I respectfully disagree that there is any substantive reasons. It’s more like petty reasons by a petty old lady who is lonely and miserable.

You think I was joking about his foul smelling farts. I could smell them twenty metres from the stage at On With the Show at Qudos Bank Arena in 2015. If that's not a substantive reason, I don't know what is. I could even, if I squinted, see Christine crinkling her nose in disgust. And she loves Lindsey.

saniette · #**260** 03-09-2019, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

Regardless of the reason, whether it was that he let off a foul smelling odour at Music Cares, and could not be trusted not to fart on stage during the upcoming tour. Or whether he truly was trying to juggle solo and band projects instead of committing fully to the band and putting solo stuff on hold. It doesn't matter. In any scenario, for any reason, he cannot be a guiltless party. He is not perfect. Despite what you may think.

Lindsey isn't perfect, and neither is anyone else in the band. To justify his firing, he would have to do something much worse than what anyone else in the band has ever done. Which has not been forthcoming.

Lindsey may be difficult to work with, but I don't think Stevie's a peach to work with either. Her diva tendencies have been getting progressively worse over the years, and she seems to be close to full-on Norma Desmond territory.

We're allowed to critique the band for their decision. The band was broken up, apparently because Lindsey and Stevie basically can't get along. But Lindsey didn't issue an ultimatum, Stevie did, and that's where she did something wrong. There's plenty of things on Stevie's side of the column to justify her firing, so how does she have the chutzpah to basically demand Lindsey's firing? And to not have the decency to tell him herself?

Apparently, the other 4 got along just fine without her, and I think BuckVie is a large part of what precipitated this. I initially took her comments to the press at face value, but I think now it's pretty clear that project rankled her.

secret love · #**261** 03-09-2019, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by saniette

Lindsey isn't perfect, and neither is anyone else in the band. To justify his firing, he would have to do something much worse than what anyone else in the band has ever done. Which has not been forthcoming.

Lindsey may be difficult to work with, but I don't think Stevie's a peach to work with either. Her diva tendencies have been getting progressively worse over the years, and she seems to be close to full-on Norma Desmond territory.

We're allowed to critique the band for their decision. The band was broken up, apparently because Lindsey and Stevie basically can't get along. But Lindsey didn't issue an ultimatum, Stevie did, and that's where she did something wrong. There's plenty of things on Stevie's side of the column to justify her firing, so how does she have the chutzpah to basically demand Lindsey's firing? And to not have the decency to tell him herself?

Apparently, the other 4 got along just fine without her, and I think BuckVie is a large part of what precipitated this. I initially took her comments to the press at face value, but I think now it's pretty clear that project rankled her.

From memory, Stevie's comments about Buckingham McVie immediately prior to its release were (not a direct quote): I'm sure it will be great, cos Christine's super inspired.
No remarks about Lindsey. Just, Christine is feeling inspired. No comment as to why she wasn't involved, except for an offhand remark that she is really busy with her solo tour.
Rankled? That's an understatement.

button-lip · #**262** 03-09-2019, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

Regardless of the reason, whether it was that he let off a foul smelling odour at Music Cares, and could not be trusted not to fart on stage during the upcoming tour. Or whether he truly was trying to juggle solo and band projects instead of committing fully to the band and putting solo stuff on hold. It doesn't matter. In any scenario, for any reason, he cannot be a guiltless party. He is not perfect. Despite what you may think.

Yes, it matters. Not to you because you’re happy he was ousted but the reasons matter to many of us.

Who talked about perfection? No one is fired of a job for not being perfect.

Think what you want and enjoy your perfect line up.

David · #**263** 03-09-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by saniette

Apparently, the other 4 got along just fine without her, and I think BuckVie is a large part of what precipitated this. I initially took her comments to the press at face value, but I think now it's pretty clear that project rankled her.

I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.

button-lip · #**264** 03-09-2019, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.

The fact that BuckVie was meant to be a FM album from the beginning was not mentioned until the lawsuit. We all had suspicions but that was the first time it was confirmed.

Christ, he couldn’t have been more considerate with her feelings. And she paid him back so nicely!

secret love · #**265** 03-09-2019, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by button-lip

Yes, it matters. Not to you because you’re happy he was ousted but the reasons matter to many of us.

Who talked about perfection? No one is fired of a job for not being perfect.

Think what you want and enjoy your perfect line up.

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Originally Posted by David

I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.

If you listened to anything I had to say, you would know that I enjoyed my perfect line up at Allphones Arena (now called Qudos Bank Arena) in Sydney, on October 24 (I think) 2015.
If you bothered to ask, you'd know that I am unlikely to go see "your perfect line up" as the ticket prices are ridiculously somehow higher than they were in 2015 for an inferior product.

Now David, he never said that. Lindsey and Christine tried very hard to frame their album as a duet, saying things like oh we just naturally thought of bringing Mick and John in to work on our album, not because it was Fleetwood Mac, but because they're just a great rhythm section.

singertobe · #**266** 03-09-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

You think I was joking about his foul smelling farts. I could smell them twenty metres from the stage at On With the Show at Qudos Bank Arena in 2015. If that's not a substantive reason, I don't know what is. I could even, if I squinted, see Christine crinkling her nose in disgust. And she loves Lindsey.

How do you know it was Lindsey's farts though? It could've been someone in the audience. Heck it could've been Queen Stevie.

secret love · #**267** 03-09-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by singertobe

How do you know it was Lindsey's farts though? It could've been someone in the audience. Heck it could've been Queen Stevie.

Stevie told me. She pointed at Lindsey's face and silently mouthed the words "It was him" and then, "see? That smirk!"

button-lip · #**268** 03-09-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

If you listened to anything I had to say, you would know that I enjoyed my perfect line up at Allphones Arena (now called Qudos Bank Arena) in Sydney, on October 24 (I think) 2015.
If you bothered to ask, you'd know that I am unlikely to go see "your perfect line up" as the ticket prices are ridiculously somehow higher than they were in 2015 for an inferior product.

Oh, but I listened to everything you said. Everything.

It's just that your Queen is not my Queen.