Am I the only one that is bothered by...?

[Phil]

She's hurting me and a great many others who once had faith in her, both as an artist/performer and a person, although admittedly, she probably was never a decent person. She ought to be ashamed of herself for bringing so much misery to so many...

[24karatstevie]

Originally Posted by Phil

She's hurting me and a great many others who once had faith in her, both as an artist/performer and a person, although admittedly, she probably was never a decent person. She ought to be ashamed of herself for bringing so much misery to so many...

I can understand stand being disappointed. Truthfully, I too would like a final Fleetwood Mac album from the complete Rumours lineup. However, I think we as fans need to realize that artists are not obligated to do whatever we want them to do. Also, I'm not sure how what she's doing now relates to her decency in the past, but again, we agree to disagree. You may be right about some things, but Stevie has also brought a lot of joy to many people with this tour as well.

[sue]

Originally Posted by Phil

Respectfully, we obviously have differing viewpoints on what constitutes artistic integrity. I concede that the first show of the 24KG Tour offered some promise in terms of an alternate set-list but at this point (as expected) it's already become stale. Stevie has a habit of driving everything into the ground and consequently, any initial attraction is diminished within no time. However, quite apart from that, it is my opinion that she is no longer capable of performing live. Age and apathy have simply taken their toll. She no longer has 'it'. She's dull, listless and boring. There's no shame in that if you have the good sense to recognise it and make a hasty retreat but this stubborn old buzzard is lacking when it comes to introspection or insight.
As for the "motivational pep talks", once again, we will have to agree to disagree. Condescending and cringe-worthy just about sums it up for me. This absurd, rehearsed gibbering actually makes me physically ill. She's an embarrassment to the band and the music industry. I just wish she'd slide under a rock and never be heard from again.

I kind of agree with you here, Phil...especially the bit about "rehearsed gibbering"...I like the fact that she gives chit chat about every song but it's the same every night..Nothing spontaneous...The same with the last Mac tour, I made the mistake of looking at YouTube and knew the show word for word..and not just the songs.

[STEVEHEDRICK]

she sounds great, love her mature voice. tour has been outstanding!

[wheart]

Originally Posted by TsnFan4Ever

Kevin,

My comments were not directed at you at all. You raised some very good points and I don't mind constructive criticism of Stevie or any other artist. Sadly, there are other people--including a couple who posted on this thread--who continually make derogatory comments about Stevie's singing, her commentary between songs, her clothes, etc., etc.

I agree with you about wanting to hear "Bella Donna" and "Wild Heart" in their full-length versions because they are both great songs and it's been so many years since she has performed them. Most people are hearing them live for the first time so it's sad that it's a medley--although I love the way she blends them together, just as I do the way "Outside the Rain" and "Dreams" blend in their medley. Sadly, "Outside the Rain/Dreams" was cut before our shows.

I just don't understand why people who feel so much dislike for Stevie need to come here and continually tear her apart (and I'm not speaking about anyone specifically--it's just a general attitude that seems prevalent). It's happening so much now because Stevie is choosing her solo concerts instead of recording on FM's new release--after she postponed this tour for two years so that she could tour with the group. Now it seems like it's Stevie target practice--especially on the "Rumours" MB. There are many things Lindsey has done over the years but I don't go on his message board and post a lot of negative comments about him. It's my opinion and I keep it to myself. We're all very, very fortunate that Stevie and Fleetwood Mac are still performing at all after all these years. Every show is a gift--at least that's how I see it.

The great thing about this board is that all opinions are welcome, positive and negative. I will always love and support Stevie but when she makes choices that I don't like, I'm going to express my feelings about them. That's the whole point of this board. If you had "negative" opinions about Lindsey in the past but chose to keep them to yourself well, that's YOUR choice. You can't expect everyone to keep quiet when they don't like or agree with something that Stevie or FM is doing.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by Phil

…but is it a gift? Watered-down performances, former shadows of themselves, no demonstration of artistic integrity (on Stevie’s part)… What about quitting while you’re ahead and retaining a semblance of dignity? Just a thought mind…

Some people say the same thing about Fleetwood Mac, too. And Lindsey Buckingham. And Christine McVie. They just don't go to a message board for fans and post it.

[StevieandChris]

Originally Posted by Phil

She's hurting me and a great many others who once had faith in her, both as an artist/performer and a person, although admittedly, she probably was never a decent person. She ought to be ashamed of herself for bringing so much misery to so many...

I am confused at how she is hurting you by not recording a new album with the rest of the gang, when in other posts, including this thread, you say she should call it a day and stop performing because she no longer has it?? Why would you want her to participate if you think she'll ruin it??

I am sorry you are feeling bad about her decision not to record.

[StevieandChris]

Originally Posted by 24karatstevie

I can understand stand being disappointed. Truthfully, I too would like a final Fleetwood Mac album from the complete Rumours lineup. However, I think we as fans need to realize that artists are not obligated to do whatever we want them to do. Also, I'm not sure how what she's doing now relates to her decency in the past, but again, we agree to disagree. You may be right about some things, but Stevie has also brought a lot of joy to many people with this tour as well.

Agree 100%.

[24karatstevie]

Originally Posted by StevieandChris

I am confused at how she is hurting you by not recording a new album with the rest of the gang, when in other posts, including this thread, you say she should call it a day and stop performing because she no longer has it?? Why would you want her to participate if you think she'll ruin it??

I am sorry you are feeling bad about her decision not to record.

This confuses me too. This isn't even directed at anyone specifically, but I have seen countless posts (mainly on the Rumours board) stating that Stevie is a !itch and that the band should just kick her out. They also mention how her involvement on a new FM record would just ruin it. Then these same people will post about how they are upset that she's not on the new album. Again, I understand having different opinions but I feel like Stevie can't win no matter what she does. I'm sure if she hadn't went on this tour and instead contributed to the FM album people would complain about that too.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by Phil

…but is it a gift? Watered-down performances, former shadows of themselves, no demonstration of artistic integrity (on Stevie’s part)… What about quitting while you’re ahead and retaining a semblance of dignity? Just a thought mind…

You apparently aren't keeping up with the reviews, which are some of the best of her career. It may not be your cup of tea, but nothing about this tour (including the boxscore) indicates she should have retired long ago.

Originally Posted by Phil

She's hurting me and a great many others who once had faith in her, both as an artist/performer and a person, although admittedly, she probably was never a decent person. She ought to be ashamed of herself for bringing so much misery to so many...

I am floored by the fact that people out there allow anyone in show business to "bring misery" to them, especially with the truly horrific things that are happening to people in this world. If an artist or entertainer is bringing you misery, it's as simple as walking away.

[Buster]

I'll just reiterate that Stevie has floored me with this tour. Both the show I saw in person and the youtube videos. Stunning show, completely different setlist from what we suffered through the past several years, taking time to share stories. Flawless, epic show.

[MakerofBirds]

Originally Posted by Phil

She's hurting me and a great many others who once had faith in her, both as an artist/performer and a person, although admittedly, she probably was never a decent person. She ought to be ashamed of herself for bringing so much misery to so many...

Wow, seriously? This is absurd. It sounds like you need to reassess your own life and what you're spending your time and energy on.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by MakerofBirds

Wow, seriously? This is absurd. It sounds like you need to reassess your own life and what you're spending your time and energy on.

Yeah. A while back someone found a quote of Stevie saying being in FM was like being in the army. It was probably a reference to a grueling tour schedule or the fact that Lindsey can come across like a drill sergeant, but people raked her over the coals because they saw her as a pampered rock star comparing herself to men and women who were dying in war. Well, it's 2017 and the wars are still going on, not to mention human trafficking, civil rights violations, regressive social policies, and any number of other atrocities. But Stevie Nicks is the one causing misery in the world because she can't hit the same note she did 40 years ago.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Yeah. A while back someone found a quote of Stevie saying being in FM was like being in the army. It was probably a reference to a grueling tour schedule or the fact that Lindsey can come across like a drill sergeant, but people raked her over the coals because they saw her as a pampered rock star comparing herself to men and women who were dying in war. Well, it's 2017 and the wars are still going on, not to mention human trafficking, civil rights violations, regressive social policies, and any number of other atrocities. But Stevie Nicks is the one causing misery in the world because she can't hit the same note she did 40 years ago.

Well I'm not disagreeing with other stuff you're saying but in my opinion, saying having to give some effort in a band is like being in the army is a pretty insensitive thing to say and a good example of Stevie's tendency to be overdramatic and victimize herself. Although it's possible she might not have been being serious, I can see why some of her comments like that could rub people the wrong way.

[SisterNightroad]

This is the quote:

"Gold Dust Woman was a little bit about drugs ~ it was about you know keeping going. It was about cocaine. And, uh, you know after all these years ~ since I haven't done any cocaine since 1986 I can talk about it now you know. But it was ,ah, at that point ~ it was ~ I don't think I had ever been so tired in my whole life as I was when we were like - doing that. You know I think it was shocking me ~ the whole rock'n'roll life ~ was really heavy and it was so much work and it was so everyday intense you know. Being in Fleetwood Mac was like being in the army. It was like you have to be there. You have to be there and you have to be there as on time as you can be there. And even if there nothing you have to do, you have to be there. So Gold Dust Woman was really my kind of symbolic look at somebody going through a bad relationship, and doing alot of drugs, and trying to just make it ~ trying to live ~ you know trying to get through it to the next thing."

However, if I can paraphrase an old wise man, we should remember that in the grand scheme of things what they do or say in their everyday life doesn't matter because after all they're not curing cancer.