The Buckingham McVie album! Out June 9th, 2017!!!

[AncientQueen]

Originally Posted by michelej1

The Telegraph
The appearance of a Buckingham McVie album, however, may be an indication that the story is not set for a grand finale but a slow fade out.

I'm sorry, but technically, from a creative output point of view, it seems like they are fading since at least "Tango" which is nearly 30 years old by now.
But!!!! As a fan, I beg to differ.
Who exactly thought in 2013 that Christine would come back and that they would go into the studio again AT ALL? I find this Buckingham McVie project to be a nice, unexpected encore, which may or may not lead into more of this band and I'm fine either way. A tour seems to be in the cards, more encores.
For a longtime fan like me, from 2003 up to now has been a rather active, rewarding time with the band, they made an album, toured regulary, Christine came back, the Rumours 5 toured again, John got ill, but seems to be fine now, like all the other members. They give interviews, share their opinions, give insights. They are active on social mediums. That's the opposite of the "fading" going on ever since Lindsey left the band in 1988(?), when being a fan was difficult, often frustrating, because they gave nothing at all.

[secondhandchain]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

^^^ I bought TITN the day it came out, literally waited in front of a record store to get it asap. It was so disappointing from the first hearing. I like some of the songs, loved the videos, but the cheesy 80s production reduced it from day one. A song like Everywhere went from a perfect little demo to a diabetis inducing sugar coated mess. Little Lies could have been so much more. I really liked the title track, that was good work, even if the guitar is just another use of the guitar solo from "I'm so afraid". Stevie brought nothing to the album, aside from her background vocals, all her songs were just weak, there was no gimmick that could save them, not that Lindsey didn't try hard. And TiTN had the dopple whopper of "Mystified" and "You and I" the most boring album fillers of the 80s. They gave me the rest. Bad album!

Lindsey went so far to use the whole grunting mess of Big Love again on SYWs "Everybody finds out", as if that had been a good idea in the first place. I lost all hope for future Lindsey productions when I listened to that song.

Could not disagree more about Mystified. It's absolutely gorgeous.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by secondhandchain

Could not disagree more about Mystified. It's absolutely gorgeous.

I love that song, too. It really lifts me up.

[mitzo]

TITN is fantastic and brought me back to FM after a long period of not caring. The album is bursting with remarkable stuff with the exception of most of Lindsey's "songs." The production is lush and full of surprises. The Buckingham McVie album will, I hope, be like that, but I fear about 50% of the content will be skipovers, as was the case with Say You Will. The full 5 FM team needs to be on board so you-know-who gets less than half the playtime.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Well I think all this discussion of his production/over-production gets to the heart of why Stevie doesn't want to work with him on another album. I know the romantic stuff makes a better story, but that sh*t's been whatever it is forever. They haven't been on the same page about making albums since she went solo. The IYD doc shows her preferred style of working--- very social, lots of laughter, breaks for dinner, as well as working on the music, which she did in a very collaborative way with Dave...and which she doesn't get with Lindsey because he's such a control freak. He tried on SYW, but there's always a palpable tension in the room when they are trying to work something out (you can really get it from that doc). Lindsey's just way more of a solo producer, he makes his music alone in his studio, writing and playing all the parts. When Stevie's writing and recording demos and everything (even before going into the studio) she's got a bunch of her pals/assistants/whoever around her. She totally needs an audience; he doesn't.

The more she's recorded solo, each time, has made it harder to go back and record with FM because she finds the process with Lindsey as tedious as John does. But she's got more at stake than John coz they're her songs LB is working on and she wants them to sound how she wants-- but she's not technically competent enough to just play a part how she wants it herself. And his vision of how her songs should sound these days (and for a while) is just not how she wants them to sound. She's very concerned with commerciality and he's way more about subverting a traditional commercial sound... They have just musically grown in very different directions and I understand why the pieces won't fit anymore. He's got very strong opinions and philosophies about how songs should be done and though he's tempered the manner in which he expresses those opinions, you can't totally change your personality and so he still can be sharp, judgmental, and a bit condescending and dismissive of her ideas when they don't match his. She's become more and more attached to her status as a Legend and thinks, I'm STEVIE NICKS I don't have to take this crap (even when his ideas make her songs better).
So as much as it breaks my heart, I get why it won't work.

All this rings true, but I do wish they could give it a shot now that Christine's back. Hasn't Lindsey agreed to let Stevie do her own thing, even have her choice of producers?

At any rate, on this album, I'm hoping Christine has reigned in Lindsey's tendency to over-produce a song. I think one of the reasons people respond to the stripped-down "Go Insane" was because the original had a lot of production gimmicks that actually diminished the emotional power of the song. There is a raw vulnerability that shows through in the acoustic version that was obscured by the unnatural touches deliberately added in production.

On the other side, I hope Lindsey has been able to keep Christine's song from sounding so samey-samey. I love her, but In the Meantime's songs all kind of blend into one another for me, with the exception of "Bad Journey".

PS I hope that Buckingham McVie is just a working title. I really don't like the way it invites comparisons to Buckingham Nicks and even if that weren't the case, it's not very creative. It's like when they named the EP "Extended Play." C'mon, guys. Try a little harder.

[elle]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

All this rings true, but I do wish they could give it a shot now that Christine's back. Hasn't Lindsey agreed to let Stevie do her own thing, even have her choice of producers?

i understand what you are saying but it's been 3 full years since Christine has been back, and the band has been giving it a shot - and asking Stevie to join them - majority of that time. album is done now and i would hate it if all of the sudden now Stevie changes her mind and decides to join since that would delay the album further. at this point if she decides to join they should release this one and then do another album with her.

or after that 2018 FM 5 moneygrabbing tour she needs to leave the band and let them be creative. she has been clear that she's happier without them, and they can finally move forward fast and be creative and relevant without her.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

or after that 2018 FM 5 moneygrabbing tour she needs to leave the band and let them be creative. she has been clear that she's happier without them, and they can finally move forward fast and be creative and relevant without her.

In their eighties.

Michele

[Phil]

I'm disappointed in Stevie's non-participation for many reasons, but another that comes to mind is that I thought, with everyone on board, "Sad Angel" and "It Takes Time" may have been included on an eventual album. I would have been keen to hear Christine's contributions to these two tracks and even held out hope that Stevie would be persuaded to add a harmony vocal to "It Takes Time" - that, along with Christine's playing, would have made an already great song exceptional. I don't expect either of these to be included on the Buckingham McVie album, but you never know...

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Phil

I'm disappointed in Stevie's non-participation for many reasons, but another that comes to mind is that I thought, with everyone on board, "Sad Angel" and "It Takes Time" may have been included on an eventual album. I would have been keen to hear Christine's contributions to these two tracks and even held out hope that Stevie would be persuaded to add a harmony vocal to "It Takes Time" - that, along with Christine's playing, would have made an already great song exceptional. I don't expect either of these to be included on the Buckingham McVie album, but you never know...

I'd love to hear It Takes Time w/ Christine on the piano.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

i understand what you are saying but it's been 3 full years since Christine has been back, and the band has been giving it a shot - and asking Stevie to join them - majority of that time. album is done now and i would hate it if all of the sudden now Stevie changes her mind and decides to join since that would delay the album further. at this point if she decides to join they should release this one and then do another album with her.

or after that 2018 FM 5 moneygrabbing tour she needs to leave the band and let them be creative. she has been clear that she's happier without them, and they can finally move forward fast and be creative and relevant without her.

I hope she leaves after the money grab tour. All the chiffons are saying she has the right to do what she wants. Then she should.. and I hope she leaves. Her last interview really pushed me over the edge with her greed.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Phil

I'm disappointed in Stevie's non-participation for many reasons, but another that comes to mind is that I thought, with everyone on board, "Sad Angel" and "It Takes Time" may have been included on an eventual album. I would have been keen to hear Christine's contributions to these two tracks and even held out hope that Stevie would be persuaded to add a harmony vocal to "It Takes Time" - that, along with Christine's playing, would have made an already great song exceptional. I don't expect either of these to be included on the Buckingham McVie album, but you never know...

Well, while we don't want them to open up old songs and lay a new track down too often, because that would make the album stale, but just maybe they could do it on one song and put Christine's vocal on something Stevie and Lindsey did in the past.

In the interview Christine said the album would have no Stevie OR very little Stevie. Maybe they could use one old track.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

Honestly, whatever they offer I'll be happy to get. I really can't wait to hear this record. It's the main reason I jump on this site each day. It's the only reason I go to Fleetwoodmacnews.com. It's the only reason I'm willing to put up with a handful of ridiculous comments abut how lame the album will be without Stevie--as if that were true! And as if doing it with her was even an option.

I'm thrilled and excited about the project. Can't wait. It's already been far too long a wait. But things are moving towards completion and for the first time in two years I'm allowing myself to get excited.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Honestly, whatever they offer I'll be happy to get. I really can't wait to hear this record. It's the main reason I jump on this site each day. It's the only reason I go to Fleetwoodmacnews.com. It's the only reason I'm willing to put up with a handful of ridiculous comments abut how lame the album will be without Stevie--as if that were true! And as if doing it with her was even an option.

I'm thrilled and excited about the project. Can't wait. It's already been far too long a wait. But things are moving towards completion and for the first time in two years I'm allowing myself to get excited.

I was reading a comment about how if she put a 24Kgold2 out. IT WOULD CERTAINLY OUTSELL THE BuckVie album. Even her fans are worried about sales.
Which is a shame because her demos were fantastic back then. Now they sound horrible with her voice.

[lennonfan]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Honestly, whatever they offer I'll be happy to get. I really can't wait to hear this record. It's the main reason I jump on this site each day. It's the only reason I go to Fleetwoodmacnews.com. It's the only reason I'm willing to put up with a handful of ridiculous comments abut how lame the album will be without Stevie--as if that were true! And as if doing it with her was even an option.

I'm thrilled and excited about the project. Can't wait. It's already been far too long a wait. But things are moving towards completion and for the first time in two years I'm allowing myself to get excited.

I feel the same way. I can't believe how disappointed I am in her lack of faith in the band to create new music. I don't mind an album without her at all, it's what Mick originally wanted in '74

[JohnL]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I was reading a comment about how if she put a 24Kgold2 out. IT WOULD CERTAINLY OUTSELL THE BuckVie album. Even her fans are worried about sales.
Which is a shame because her demos were fantastic back then. Now they sound horrible with her voice.

How interesting that you twisted that whole conversation around from the Stevie board. All that was said was that if both were released at the same time the poster believed that Stevie would outsell the other. No one expressed any concern about her album not selling. And absolutely no one expressed any concern about her voice. That is you putting your bad attitude on what was said. And no...I didn't post those threads either. Just stop with the negativity about her. She will always be an integral part of what made up Fleetwood Mac. I don't get why you people cant just let it go. She doesn't want to be in the studio with them anymore...and she has that right. Just like Christine had the right to leave when she did...just like Lindsey had the right to leave when he did. I truly wish she would just leave the band myself if only to stop this back and forth on here.