You guys think there will be a deluxe Tango?

[Andrew Smith]

Originally Posted by sorcerer999

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation".

Thanks, I never knew this, although other bands have been known to do the same thing on live albums.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by sorcerer999

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation".

There. You said it. According to Ken Caillat. Who has no producerscredits on the Dance. He wasn't there but he states something as if he was. He wasn't involved and he still hates that. As much as I admire his work for FM, he is sour and bitter towards Lindsey and his productionchoices after their fruitful cooperations. Of course there were overdubs or partially rerecordings. But you are deaf if you think everything was redone in the studio.

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

It can be a tough thing to explain but I'll give it a go. What happens is they take the song and put a limiter on it... a limiter removes large peaks in the track. Google the term "wav form" and you'll be able to see what I'm talking about from a visual perspective... natural "hills" and "valleys" in the song. Anyway, hit on the snare drum from Mick can cause these peaks, or maybe a crash on a cymbal. When these peaks are removed, the overall volume of the rest of the song can then increase. But what happens is you lose some of the natural dynamics that previously existed. Sure, quieter parts become loud, and more pronounced (Hey, I heard a guitar lick I've never heard before!), but the parts that were always easy to hear also have now been turned up to 11. (Nigel Tufnel reference there) The subtleties of the album are often lost. Back in my audio engineering days this would've lent to what's called listener fatigue... like being at a concert... your hearing becomes diminished over time from the wall of loudness. (Did that make any sense at all?) haha

Compression

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Compression

Exactly. But very well described compression.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Compression

haha yes. Well, more precisely I would call it limiting. There are differences I think.