Stevie really needs to rethink not participating in the new Fleetwood Mac album

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Cheap shots at various band members are so tedious and boring ("Stevie sounds like a goat"....OMG I never heard that one before ); I get tired of wading through posts like that to find a thoughtful critique or insightful opinion (which every now and then will come from the very same poster). I'm not bothered in the least by conflicting opinions or honest criticisms. But it's pretty easy to discern between stuff like that vs. name-calling, rude remarks, and insults (which I think are baiting no matter what forum they are in). I always try to make sure my comments are adding value to the conversations and appreciate it when others do the same. Why can't we just be respectful of everyone? Because as you say, it's only as far as we know that FM is not on this forum. If they were, we would have to be respectful to them, but they wouldn't necessarily reveal themselves. I mean, after all these years, you never found out that I'm Billy Burnette.

Great post, Mike. The name calling is juvenile, and like you, I hate having to wade through insulting posts to get to a thoughtful or sincere post.

[elle]

Originally Posted by bwboy

Great post, Mike. The name calling is juvenile, and like you, I hate having to wade through insulting posts to get to a thoughtful or sincere post.

but you don't mind making up band statements just to goad people on?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

but you don't mind making up band statements just to goad people on?

The hypocrisy is staggering.

[JohnL]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

I think they have waited...and waited...and waited...
and now I think they are starting to lose all respect for her. Patience is wearing thin, to snapping point.

In my opinion, this is the belief of the people on this board, not the band members. I think that the members of FM expected this to happen after the last few years of constant touring and knowing that Stevie had put out a solo record in the meantime. I don't think they have lost any respect for her or are anywhere near snapping. If they decide to make an album without her, it will be some kind of experiment and we will see how it goes.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by JohnL

In my opinion, this is the belief of the people on this board, not the band members. I think that the members of FM expected this to happen after the last few years of constant touring and knowing that Stevie had put out a solo record in the meantime. I don't think they have lost any respect for her or are anywhere near snapping. If they decide to make an album without her, it will be some kind of experiment and we will see how it goes.

While I definitely agree that Christine and likely John are not irritated, Mick definitely is. I also suspect after nearly a decade of playing the press game and bending and contorting for Stevie, Lindsey is probably inwardly upset, too.

Before I have someone jump on me for that comment, I'll lay out the evidence. Lindsey has immensely softened his sonic style with his most recent releases, most notably with the EP and soundtrack songs. He's worked with outside producers, and collaborated with popular musicians... two things he hasn't done in decades. He has also greatly softened his tone with Stevie in the press, and remains steadfastly complimentary and understanding of her. He's pulled out every trick he can muster to make Stevie happy, yet apparently none of it is enough. He can't be happy, no matter how Zen he appears these days.

Getting back to Christine, I doubt she's upset... but I get the distinct impression she's itching to make up for lost time. She's come out of her nearly 2 decade long abdication eager to record. How do we know this? She's so intent she's even openly speaking about the band moving forward without Stevie, if necessary. Christine is a fairly understated woman, so for her to make such a bold proclamation, it means she stands fully committed to recording, and soon. I also suspect that she wouldn't make this announcement to the press if others in the band didn't share her feelings, too.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

The amount of negitivtiy against Stevie on this on this board lately has been astonishing. Geez. Just relax a little and get your underwear unbunched, ok?
Oh! And, please, stop referring to her as a "goat". It's annoying.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by ~*BellaDonna*~

The amount of negitivtiy against Stevie on this on this board lately has been astonishing. Geez. Just relax a little and get your underwear unbunched, ok?
Oh! And, please, stop referring to her as a "goat". It's annoying.

It's actually pretty astonishing that public opinion on the Ledge has shifted against Stevie so drastically. Not too many years ago the Ledge was derided as nothing more than a lair for obsessed and psychotic Stevie fanatics who eviscerated anyone who dared discuss anyone other than Stevie and her greatness. The sea-change that has happened here is no one's fault but Stevie's. She's managed to turn her most ardent, lifelong fans against her- no small feat!

We do agree on one thing, though. I feel that referring to her as a goat is just petty. Calling her out for her own diva behavior? Totally fair game.

[olive]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

It' Calling her out for her own diva behavior? Totally fair game.

"You wouldn't say that About Bob Dylan"

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

It's actually pretty astonishing that public opinion on the Ledge has shifted against Stevie so drastically. Not too many years ago the Ledge was derided as nothing more than a lair for obsessed and psychotic Stevie fanatics who eviscerated anyone who dared discuss anyone other than Stevie and her greatness. The sea-change that has happened here is no one's fault but Stevie's. She's managed to turn her most ardent, lifelong fans against her- no small feat!

I agree. The turnaround here, regarding Stevie, has been very surprising. Your assessment of "how it used to be" here is spot on. And those of us that are pretty harsh critics of her, aren't new here! But there is a new wave of people who don't seem to worship her anymore. At least not like they used to(of course there will always be "that group", but it just seems far smaller now).

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by olive

"You wouldn't say that About Bob Dylan"

Haha!! I was talking to a songwriter who does musicals and theater. And he was telling me how ultimately when you're the writer you can break any rules you want. But, changing tenses without having a concept or a twist for doing so, makes the writer look green.

[KenshiMaster16]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

It's actually pretty astonishing that public opinion on the Ledge has shifted against Stevie so drastically. Not too many years ago the Ledge was derided as nothing more than a lair for obsessed and psychotic Stevie fanatics who eviscerated anyone who dared discuss anyone other than Stevie and her greatness. The sea-change that has happened here is no one's fault but Stevie's. She's managed to turn her most ardent, lifelong fans against her- no small feat!

We do agree on one thing, though. I feel that referring to her as a goat is just petty. Calling her out for her own diva behavior? Totally fair game.

I'm afraid I have to admit I am one of those changed. I was pulled into the Mac machine in '97 because of Stevie. I was bewitched by her, under her spell completely. When I first saw the band live in '04, I screamed nothing but "STEVIE!!!" for the first 20 minutes starting when she walked out on stage. I literally lost my mind. Saw her live in '05 as well because I simply couldn't get enough of her. But lately, that feeling has dwindled drastically and it's because of this behavior. Surely the woman has the right to do what she wants and has earned it but the games must end. It's tiresome and it's downright ridiculous for grown adults to still be playing this game at their age.

Decide what you want to do and stick to it. If the solo thing is what you want, then please by all means, leave the band.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

It's actually pretty astonishing that public opinion on the Ledge has shifted against Stevie so drastically. Not too many years ago the Ledge was derided as nothing more than a lair for obsessed and psychotic Stevie fanatics who eviscerated anyone who dared discuss anyone other than Stevie and her greatness. The sea-change that has happened here is no one's fault but Stevie's. She's managed to turn her most ardent, lifelong fans against her- no small feat!

We do agree on one thing, though. I feel that referring to her as a goat is just petty. Calling her out for her own diva behavior? Totally fair game.

I agree, yes, it's fair game and you make a great point. All I'm saying is that maybe it'd be toned down just a smidge. That's just how I feel about it.

Edit: I've gotta admit that it bugs me a lot that it seems like Stevie wants to be a "in name only" member of the band.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by ~*BellaDonna*~

I agree, yes, it's fair game and you make a great point. All I'm saying is that maybe it'd be toned down just a smidge. That's just how I feel about it.

Stop Draggin her heart around is all you're sayin..

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by KenshiMaster16

I'm afraid I have to admit I am one of those changed. I was pulled into the Mac machine in '97 because of Stevie. I was bewitched by her, under her spell completely. When I first saw the band live in '04, I screamed nothing but "STEVIE!!!" for the first 20 minutes starting when she walked out on stage. I literally lost my mind. Saw her live in '05 as well because I simply couldn't get enough of her. But lately, that feeling has dwindled drastically and it's because of this behavior. Surely the woman has the right to do what she wants and has earned it but the games must end. It's tiresome and it's downright ridiculous for grown adults to still be playing this game at their age.

Decide what you want to do and stick to it. If the solo thing is what you want, then please by all means, leave the band.

I had posters of Stevie Nicks in my room when I was a teen. (Yes, there were clues I was gay).. But then I went to see Christine and Lindsey solo concerts and they blew Stevie's solo show away. I slowly got the Mac bug back. My uncle turned me on to Heroes Are Hard To Find.. but I didn't understand who the people were.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Stop Draggin her heart around is all you're sayin..

I suppose I am. However, the longer Stevie continues to do this, I will probably stop defending her.