Why does everyone say Lindsey Buckingham IS Fleetwood Mac? - Page 2

dissention · #16 10-01-2003, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by reebokandlace
Ducking as i say this......

I think Stevie IS Fleetwood Mac. Regardless of Lindsey's on stage antics on this tour, let's face it, his solo albums have flopped. I know the albums without Lindsey didn't do that great, but people DID show up for the concerts (Tango/BTM/Best Of) with Billy Burnett and Rick Vito because they were coming to see STEVIE.

When Stevie did not tour and Bekka took her place (not that anyone can take Stevie's place) fans did not show up for that tour and sales for the Time album were horrible. Hmmm...

Fleetwood Mac concert without Lindsey = ticket sales
Fleetwood Mac concert without Stevie= Zilch

My opinion: I think if Fleetwood Mac had Lindsey but no Stevie, ticket and CD sales would flop.

Her solo albums sell, his flop. Fact.

Mac albums without Lindsey and WITH Stevie= bad sales
Mainstream pop rock albums by a recognizable star = good sales
Experimental works of art by a less out-there figure = bad sales

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Lindsey IS Fleetwood Mac, but he invests the most time and effort and blood and sweat and tears into the albums. Without Lindsey, I doubt many of us would be fans of Fleetwood Mac. However, without Stevie, none of us would be fans either. It's not so much that everyone thinks Lindsey is the band, they just think that he's been given the fuzzy end of the lollipop when it comes to getting his dues. He perfected the FM sound that we all love and he is one of the best guitarists out there, IMO. I don't think anyone compares to him; he's genius. Also, out of all of the members, I think he is the most creative. Yeah, Stevie writes beautiful lyrics and melodies, but he does everything and everything very well. Everyone will jump down my throat if I say that he is the best producer for Stevie because he turns some of her rambling bullsh*t into GREAT songs, but I think it's true. Ever heard the pino demo for Gypsy? Lindsey worked wonders on that song. While the melody and tune was all Stevie, Lindsey turned it into something phenomenal. Just listen to the Bella Donna outtake of Gypsy and you'll understand.

So, while every member is integral and make up FM, I think Lindsey is the most creative and talented. That's not to say that Stevie and Chris aren't, they are immensely talented and I love Stevie especially, but Lindsey is an amazement.

And at the SYW concert, I don't think it's so much Stevie being classy and laying low. I think it was more of a case of her not feeling well enough to do all her spinning and schtick. If she felt well, she would've, which she is doing on the second leg. And I don't believe for a minute that she would willingly give up being the spotlight for Lindsey. Sorry, but that's too far-fetched; she adores being the star, she gave up everything to be the star and I don't think she'd give that up for anyone. But Lindsey is just so remarkable that you can't take your eyes off of him.

xdreamsunwindx · #17 10-01-2003, 08:37 AM

Well, after seeing the Philly show, it is no contest that Lindsey is my favourite Mac member... of this lineup

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Well, my favourite FM member is Christine McVie. That is because I just love her voice, and how she plays the piano. I will admit that Stevie's my favourite songwriter, but I like Chris's songwriting skills as well, probably because I write kind of like she does.

I used to think that Lindsey was egotistical and kind of self-important. *ducks* But that was only because of the interviews I read and I kind of got a bad impression of him. After seeing the Pittsburgh show and the Philly show I completely forgave him. lol. I do think that FM kind of needs him this time around, because A) He has SO much energy, and he interacts with the audience, and B) IMO, I don't think that some of Stevie's songs would have that perfect "sound", you know? This again is in my opinion, but I really don't like the sound of the Mac songs she does on solo concerts. Mainly because of the way the instrumental parts sound, same goes for the Christine solo concerts. I have both of their concert videos, I like them, but I just prefer the way the Mac songs soun WITH Lindsey, John and Mick.

Just my 2 cents

dissention · #18 10-01-2003, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by xdreamsunwindx
I do think that FM kind of needs him this time around

If they didn't have him around, they'd be up ****s creek without any means of locomotion.

cliffdweller · #19 10-01-2003, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by reebokandlace
Ducking as i say this......

I think Stevie IS Fleetwood Mac. Regardless of Lindsey's on stage antics on this tour, let's face it, his solo albums have flopped. I know the albums without Lindsey didn't do that great, but people DID show up for the concerts (Tango/BTM/Best Of) with Billy Burnett and Rick Vito because they were coming to see STEVIE.

When Stevie did not tour and Bekka took her place (not that anyone can take Stevie's place) fans did not show up for that tour and sales for the Time album were horrible. Hmmm...

Fleetwood Mac concert without Lindsey = ticket sales
Fleetwood Mac concert without Stevie= Zilch

My opinion: I think if Fleetwood Mac had Lindsey but no Stevie, ticket and CD sales would flop.

Her solo albums sell, his flop. Fact.

you're probably right about the fact that more people show up to see Stevie than Lindsey. However, without Lindsey, Stevie is not at her best in Fleetwood Mac (see BTM and Time) so her performance/material suffers. Neither Stevie nor Lindsey ARE Fleetwood Mac, it takes both of them IMO. I'm really not interested in seeing Fleetwood Mac without both of them, they're a packaged deal, it's either both or none for me.

However, I WILL, and love to see Stevie a gazillion times solo and I don't really have a huge interest in seeing Lindsey solo, (notice I said huge, I have a moderate interest in his solo stuff). But those two together in Fleetwood Mac is just magic, I love Christine too but if one of the fabulous trio had to go I guess it would have to be her~sigh~...... I hate picking favorites~!

strandinthewind · #20 10-01-2003, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by dissention
And I don't believe for a minute that she would willingly give up being the spotlight for Lindsey. Sorry, but that's too far-fetched; she adores being the star, she gave up everything to be the star and I don't think she'd give that up for anyone.

" . . . and we fight for the northern star" - which I have always interpreted as the spotlight

I think LB is great and very good a producing his and other peoples' usually already good if not great work. I do, however, think SN, CM, MF, and JM all had major input in that creative process so it was not all LB. In other words, SN and CM did not drop off the demos and then go one a six month vacation and then come back to record the vocals and vocie no opinion on the music. In the end, its all about balance and the sum of the group effort, which IMO is greater than the individuality of the parts.

John Run · #21 10-01-2003, 09:20 AM

This post was created for no other reason than to create the absurd, polarizing statements that are being written within this thread.

Fact is the band named for its drummer and bass player is currently fronted by its Female Lead Singer/Songwriter and its Male Guitarist/Lead Singer/Songwriter/Producer. Each of them offers important elements to the groups sophisticated musical mix and interpersonal dynamic.

Stevie is without a doubt more commerically successful, Lindsey has enjoyed great critical acclaim previously and on this tour. As has been said many times about this band, it is the sum total of all the parts added together that make them great not the indviduals themselves.

teedee · #22 10-01-2003, 10:04 AM

I think ppl who are saying lindsey is fleetwood mac, are referring to this tour imparticular. He is always great but he is over the top on this tour. he is getting the chance to make up for there being no piano and using the guitar every chance he gets, i dont blame him, thats what he does and he is being a little bit of an actor, or shall i say comedien, more playful, ie. the victory dance, the boxing. he seems happier and not so serious, which i love seeing him this way! Stevie as well has her moments on stage. But ppl seem to compare what she used to do on stage, with how she is performing today, and thats not fair. she puts on a great show, whether she's twirling or not! this time around lindsey tho is doing things on stage that hes never done , i dont mean his playing, i just mean he is being more playful, his guard is down. when i have seen this tour, i feel as tho i am at a buckingham nicks concert, Christine did help round out fleetwood mac and she is missed. but i am definately enjoying stevie and lindsey having more stage time, i love it.

shackin'up · #23 10-01-2003, 12:02 PM

only mick and john ARE fleetwood mac.

teedee · #24 10-01-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by shackin'up
only mick and john ARE fleetwood mac.

altho john and mick are very talented, without stevie and lindsey, there is no fleetwood mac!

teedee · #25 10-01-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by dissention
If they didn't have him around, they'd be up ****s creek without any means of locomotion.

I love lindsey to death, and i do think he is the most underated guitarist. i know that he is an asset to fleetwood mac, but you also have to admit ,if he didnt have fleetwood mac he wouldnt be able to be having the time of his life on stage and touring, dont get me wrong, i m sure he could go out of tour but i dont think it would be on the same level as with the mac, i think its sad that the record label wouldnt let lindsey put out this cd as a solo piece of work, but because its called fleetwood mac its ok, which i heard lindsey say himself in an interview.
i think today without stevie and lindsey there is no fleetwood mac. i think john and mick are lucky that stevie and lindsey are in such a good place with each other that they can pull off this incredible show. i think all members of fleetwood mac need each other. stevie has a solo career on her own, lindsey if he continues with material from out of the cradle and say you will, i think he can do a successful solo career, but with out both of them there is no fleetwood mac.

Vianna · #26 10-01-2003, 01:15 PM

Because he is=:-)

I know I am exaggerating because I love Lindsey, but with the exception of the Peter Green incarnation, thay have never been so good as a band as when they have Lindsey, in my humble opinion. He makes 'em come alive, sparks them-I can't explain it, just know it's true.

darklinensuit · #27 10-01-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by cliffdweller
you're probably right about the fact that more people show up to see Stevie than Lindsey. However, without Lindsey, Stevie is not at her best in Fleetwood Mac (see BTM and Time) so her performance/material suffers. Neither Stevie nor Lindsey ARE Fleetwood Mac, it takes both of them IMO. I'm really not interested in seeing Fleetwood Mac without both of them, they're a packaged deal, it's either both or none for me.

However, I WILL, and love to see Stevie a gazillion times solo and I don't really have a huge interest in seeing Lindsey solo, (notice I said huge, I have a moderate interest in his solo stuff). But those two together in Fleetwood Mac is just magic, I love Christine too but if one of the fabulous trio had to go I guess it would have to be her~sigh~...... I hate picking favorites~!

ITA with all of this (though I would pay to see the Mac with just Stevie).
(Minor correction: I don't think you meant to put that Stevie was in the Time band or album.)

- JAKE

tothegypsy · #28 10-02-2003, 02:05 AM

I have nothing against Lindsey, but I really don't find his Say You Will tour antics entertaining. The whole I'm gonna swing my guitar around and stomp my feet thing isn't believable on him. He isn't a member of KISS or Bon Jovi.

strandinthewind · #29 10-02-2003, 06:05 AM

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Originally posted by tothegypsy
I have nothing against Lindsey, but I really don't find his Say You Will tour antics entertaining. The whole I'm gonna swing my guitar around and stomp my feet thing isn't believable on him. He isn't a member of KISS or Bon Jovi.

I, too, am not wild about his swinging the guitar during Come, ISA, and GYOW as it is the same "over the top" performance every night. Having said that, I would put up with just about anything to hear that man play his many guitars, many, many people like it, and, unlike my rabid-like fan nature, most people see it only once . . .

And then there is the whole druggie like possessed stomping during the "Stand Back" intro - but if people put up with La Nicks' craziness then . . .

sodascouts · #30 10-02-2003, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by strandinthewind
I, too, am not wild about his swinging the guitar during Come, ISA, and GYOW as it is the same "over the top" performance every night.

I don't mind the guitar swinging so much, but I do roll my eyes at the Stand Back guitar-humping and the doggie-paddling. I don't know why he thinks that's cool, especially the Stand Back stuff. I think he might think we gals find the SB humping sexy but far from it. Why would we like it when we know we're not necessary for that kind of "self-love"? lol! But everything else is fine with me. I love it when he lifts his guitar over his head and we see skin.