Brexit vote

[MoonSister75]

Originally Posted by becca

Trump is not funny. I neither laugh at America or him or the Farace fellow either.

I guess you mean Nigel Farage. No he is not funny in the slightest, and he lies repeatedly. His far right approach has helped to cause total chaos and in our country.

The former Prime Minister of Belgium has accused Nigel Farage of lying on migration, Turkey and the NHS in a heated European Parliament debate on the Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7107361.html


And this is Nigel Farage telling members of the European Parliament yesterday that they have never done a proper job, again a complete lie. These articles explain all the important work of the MEPs.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ne-proper-jobs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36654901

someone pointed out on twitter:
no MEPs have done proper job. Someone remind him of his attendance as MEP: 747th worst out of 751?

Nigel Farage is supposed to represent the views of the majority of Britain right now. Its too awful for words ​

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John Kerry: Brexit could be 'walked back'

US secretary of state expresses doubts over whether Brexit will happen as David Cameron ‘has no idea how he would do it’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-david-cameron


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ere-a-way-back

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Sorry to not be able to post any happier news in the Brexit thread

I just found this audio clip on the BBC news site of Micheal Heseltine blaming Boris Johnson for the mess and saying that he has "created the greatest constitutional crisis in modern times" - Its quite a moving speech

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_...lines/36677623

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...bandoning-army.


This is an unbelievable difficult time for this country right now

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Some are calling what Boris Johnson has done "An act of ​treachery"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36674729

And someone in a comments section of a Guardain article suggested it's treason

far too late
events have confirmed the absolute tissue of lies he won the vote by
this is not treachery..and it most certainly is not democracy..dictators get votes by peddling lies.
it is treason
he has done staggering damage to the uk

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I live on the border of 2 counties and yesterday I went to work in Ceredigion for an elderly couple (I support the elderly and disabled). I stopped for petrol and saw the news on the front of the local papers - ​"County stunned by EU vote - Ceredigion's councillors have responded with dismay to Friday's EU referendum result, warning that the move could lead to the economic collapse of West Wales and have a devastating impact on the region for generations to come."

Another newspaper explained that our local town had received a huge amount of help from the EU including £5m for our recently reopened Castle, and it has also been funding our 2 best arts facilities - Theatre Mwldan and Small World Theatre. Apparently we also get a lot of agricultural support from the EU. This area gets much more back from the EU than it gives.

Ceredigion voted to remain in the EU (not surprisingly they must have realised the benefits). My county Pembrokeshire unfortunately voted out.

It's really shocking to see such headlines (nothing very dramatic ever happens around here usually) and difficult to remain positive but everyone is trying their best. Hopefully things won't end up as bad as is feared.

I was at the Theatre Mwldan tonight with my daughter and her friend, and it was nice to see a good crowd there to watch The Secret Life of Pets . Its an arts facility that is really treasured around here.

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This is interesting. I was wondering yesterday about our rights as EU citizens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ml#commentsDiv

German academics call on Angela Merkel to show solidarity with non-Brexit voters

'While UK governments have not always been a force for unity in the EU, there is a generation of British citizens who want a future as EU citizens,' says the letter​


More than 300 German academics have called on Angela Merkel to show solidarity with UK citizens who voted Remain during the forthoming negotiations over Brexit.

In an open letter to the German Chancellor, they asked her to protect the rights of "British Europeans" in any future deals with Britain.

"As academics and teachers of German and European studies, we are concerned about the outcome of any Brexit negotiations for EU citizens," they said.

"We ask Germany to act in solidarity with British Europeans who did not choose this result, by striving to protect their rights in any future EU exit agreement.

"Any moves to do otherwise in the name of unity between the other 27 member states would contradict the very notion of European solidarity."

The letter warned Ms Merkel about the potentially disastrous effects on young British citizens who overwhelmingly voted to remain in Europe.

It added that European student exchange programmes such as Erasmus+ could be adversely affected with current and former students losing their right to study and work abroad.

"Last week, nearly three quarters of voters under 25 chose to remain in the EU," the letter said.

"Soon, they may be denied the opportunities that European integration aims to offer.

"Instead of excluding young people from EU citizenship, we should work together to ensure that all people across Europe have the equality of opportunity they deserve."

The academics said the British citizens should not be punished for the actions of fractious British politicians.

"While UK governments have not always been a force for unity in the EU, there is a generation of British citizens who want a future as EU citizens," the letter concluded.

"Stripping them of their citizenship contradicts the principles of the European treaties that ask for European solidarity and prosperity for all Europeans.

"We ask you to defend the rights of EU citizens in any future exit negotiations with the UK."

Former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl echoed the letter's sentiments, urging EU leaders not to act in haste and "slam the door" on the UK after Brexit.

A post-Brexit survey of German people found that two thirds want their government to reclaim some powers back from the EU.

The poll also found that only a third of Germans wanted to actually leave the EU altogether.

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This made my day. A peaceful protest in London against Brexit

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...pe-in-pictures

​http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...london-protest

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Oh this is brilliant, I nearly couldn't finish reading it as I was laughing so much.

This Facebook post brilliantly explains the aftermath of Brexit for you

written by Filmaker Benjamin Blaine

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/art...u--ZylCkjnfzHb

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Nigel Farage at a garden party yesterday with Rupert Murdoch and Liam Fox (candidate for Conservative leader) hmmm.....

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-by-lily-allen

And this from the Daily Mail..

In 2014 it was revealed he met Rupert Murdoch in his New York offices after filming interviews for some of the mogul's news channels, including Fox News.

The Ukip leader was then summoned to Murdoch's NewsCorp Manhattan office after taping a segment for Fox News's Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto shows.

During an advertisement break, Cavuto turned to Farage and said: 'Sir, the boss wants to see you... the big boss,' it was reported.

In 2013 the outspoken party leader praised Mr Murdoch - whose many publications were heavily scrutinised in the wake of the phone hacking scandal - as a 'remarkable bloke' after being invited to his home for dinner.

They ares said to have discussed the possibility of a UKIP pact with the Tories, but only if David Cameron was ousted as leader.

Mr Murdoch later claimed Mr Farage was ‘reflecting opinion’ and suggested new leaders are ‘emerging on distant horizon’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-Twitter.html


Rupert Murdoch has quite an influence in this country, through his publications and dealings with politicians

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A prominent law firm is taking pre-emptive legal action against the government, following the EU referendum result, to try to ensure article 50 is not triggered without an act of parliament.

Acting on behalf of an anonymous group of clients, solicitors at Mishcon de Reya have been in contact with government lawyers to seek assurances over the process, and plan to pursue it through the courts if they are not satisfied. The law firm has retained the services of senior constitutional barristers, including Lord Pannick QC and Rhodri Thompson QC.

Their initiative relies upon the ambiguous wording of article 50 of the Treaty on European Union, which sets out how states could leave the EU. The first clause declares: “Any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”

One of the grounds of a likely challenge to the referendum is that it is merely advisory and the royal prerogative cannot be used to undermine parliamentary statute.

According to Mishcon de Reya, the decision to trigger article 50 rests with the representatives of the people under the UK constitution. The firm has been in correspondence with the government since 27 June “to seek assurances that the government will uphold the UK constitution and protect the sovereignty of parliament in invoking article 50”.


rest of the article here:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016...eu-say-lawyers
also:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350


And this from the BBC..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...he-eu-36671629

While lawyers may raise arguments, it seems impossible to see a legal challenge stopping the great democratic juggernaut now chuntering towards the EU's departure gate.

There are times when politics simply outstrips the law.

This feels like one of them.

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There's been a debate in the commons today about the status of EU Nationals following this referendum. Andy Burnham has summed up the situation very well. (Its still totally unbelievable that this is actually happening )

Andy Burnham, the shadow home secretary, told MPs in the UQ on EU nationals that his wife was Dutch and that their three children were half Dutch. Referring to what Theresa May said on Peston on Sunday yesterday, he said May’s hint that EU nationals could be made to leave the EU was “quite threatening”.

So many British families are similar to ours, with relatives born in Ireland or other EU countries.

The 3m or so EU nationals living here are the fathers and mothers, aunties and uncles, grandmas and granddads of millions of British children.

To leave any uncertainty hanging over their right to be here is tantamount to undermining family life in our country - and that does not strike me as a very prime ministerial thing to do.

But it is what the home secretary did yesterday.

She said “people who have an established life here” would be part of negotiations with Brussels.

For people making a huge contribution to our society to be talked of as a bargaining chip is insensitive to say the least.

But when it is added with the comment that “nobody necessarily stays anywhere forever” it becomes quite threatening.

Burnham also said the government had reduced the county “to chaos”.

Finally, Mr Speaker, doesn’t the very fact that we are having to hold this debate today illustrate how flawed the Referendum campaign was?

Didn’t people have a right to know the answer to this crucial question before they went to vote?

Sending any EU nationals home has enormous implications for families, for public services, for the economy.

So why on earth did the government instruct civil servants not to carry out any contingency planning on the implications of Brexit?

Wasn’t that the very height of irresponsibility? And hasn’t it left us with “neither compass nor chart” as Lord Hennessey has said?

This Conservative party has reduced our country to chaos and created uncertainty being felt in every family.

If the home secretary wants to be the person to lead us out of it, she needs to have the courage to come to this House and clear up her own mess.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-boris-johnson

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There are 3m non-British EU citizens living in the EU. According to the Office for National Statistics, this is where they are from:

1.46m (2.3% of the total UK population) were born in the EU14 group of countries: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Republic of Ireland, Spain and Sweden

1.24m (1.9%) were born in the EU8 group of countries, which joined the EU in 2004: Czech Republic, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Slovenia

235,000 (0.4%) were born in Bulgaria or Romania - countries that joined the EU in 2007

92,000 (0.1%) were born in the remaining three countries of the EU - Malta, Cyprus and Croatia

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The Chilcot report came out today, an investigation into the UK's involvement with the Iraq war.

People are pointing out an irony from the Chilcot report that applies to Brexit

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/art...t--bJb1atnwLSW

The current Tory government pushed for the Chilcot report into the Iraq War to be released after the EU referendum.

It seems now the report's conclusions might just have helped in the build up to the EU Referendum vote -at least, if you were in favour of Remaining.

This quote from Sir John's statement this morning says it all:

Chilcot begs gvt never again to embark on huge risky leaps of faith based on dodgy evidence and without solid planning

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Well it looks like we will have a female Prime Minister - either Theresa May or Andrea Leadsom, the 2 candidates left after the MP votes. Theresa May is more popular at the moment. I'm not particularly over the moon about this as I'm not a Conservative voter, we'll have to see if she's an improvement on David Cameron. I was wondering what Brexiters think of this choice given that the Leave campaign was run by people like Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. I just looked at the comments on the 2nd video and it seems that many are not happy, some suggesting she's the next Margaret Thatcher...

Also leavers are not happy that article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, wondering what is going on and when/if it will happen.

Still quite a mess then, and most people not happy with the current state of things.

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I was glad to read this. Our MPs looking out for the rights of migrants in the UK.


Labour motion on EU migrants 'right to remain' passes Commons vote

Motion backed by Boris Johnson passed by 245 to two but is non-binding and has no effect on government policy

Jessica Elgot

Wednesday 6 July 2016 18.49 BST Last modified on Thursday 7 July 2016 09.23 BST

A Labour motion in support of EU migrants in the UK, which won the backing of Boris Johnson, has passed comfortably in the Commons.

The shadow home secretary, Andy Burnham, called on Conservatives to vote with Labour on the motion, which asked the government to “commit today that EU nationals currently living in the UK shall have the right to remain”. The motion passed by 245 votes to two after the government abstained.

Burnham said it would send a strong message to EU migrants and ramp up the pressure on Theresa May. The home secretary has so far refused to guarantee that EU nationals will have full rights to remain in the UK.

article continued here http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...on-eu-migrants

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3 separate issues in here

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ing-article-50

First legal attempt to prevent Brexit set for preliminary hearing

Claim argues result of referendum is not legally binding and only parliament can authorise triggering of article 50

Owen Bowcott Legal affairs correspondent

@owenbowcott

Friday 8 July 2016 16.52 BST

The first legal attempt to prevent the prime minister initiating Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union is to be heard later this month.

A high court judge, Mr Justice Cranston, has set 19 July for a preliminary hearing of the judicial review challenge brought on behalf of the British citizen Deir Dos Santos.

The claim argues that only parliament – not the prime minister – can authorise the signing of article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, which begins the UK’s formal withdrawal process.

Other legal claims making a similar point are also being prepared by the law firm Mishcon de Reya. Brexit supporters staged a demonstration outside their London office on Thursday with a banner and placards declaring “‘Invoke article 50 now” and “‘Uphold the Brexit vote”.

The politically sensitive hearing will be heard by two judges in the divisional court. The Dos Santos claim argues that: “The result of the referendum is not legally binding in the sense that it is advisory only and there is no obligation [on the government] to give effect to the referendum decision. However the prime minister has stated on numerous occasions that it is his intention to give effect to the referendum decision and organise the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the European Union.

“The extract from the prime minister’s resignation speech ... makes it clear that [the government] is of the view that the prime minister of the day has the power under article 50 (2) of the Lisbon treaty to trigger article 50 without reference to parliament.”

That decision, it claims, is “ultra vires” – beyond the legitimate powers of the government – because under “the UK’s constitutional requirements”, notification to the European Union council of withdrawal “can only be given with the prior authorisation of the UK parliament”.

Dominic Chambers QC, an expert in international and commercial law from Maitland Chambers in London, is acting for Dos Santos.


The claim refers to recent statements from the Foreign Office explaining that it is parliament that has the power to repeal the European Communities Act 1972. It also argues that the royal prerogative – powers employed by the prime minister – cannot be used to undermine parliamentary statute.

The government, which has acknowledged receipt of the claim lodged on 28 June, is expected to argue that a prime minister can use powers based on the royal prerogative to trigger article 50. If it goes to trial, any hearing is likely to be appealed against, up to the highest courts.

In a separate development, Anthony Eskander, a criminal barrister at Church Court Chambers in London, has posted an opinion arguing that politicians supporting the Vote Leave campaign might have opened themselves up to legal action for alleged misrepresentations over claims that quitting the EU would allow an extra £350m to be spent on the NHS.

It claims politicians might have committed offences of misconduct in public office by promoting the £350m claim. The figure has been called “potentially misleading” by the independent UK Statistics Authority, for failing to take into account the UK’s rebate from the EU. Vote Leave denied during the referendum campaign that it was misleading the public.



Harry Shindler, the 94-year-old war veteran who tried to overturn the ban preventing those who have lived overseas more than 15 years from voting, has threatened to challenge the validity of the referendum result at the United Nations.

More than 700,000 Britons resident abroad are estimated to have been denied a chance to register for the ballot. The high court, appeal court and supreme court threw out Shindler’s legal claims in the run-up to the referendum on the technical grounds of whether EU law permitting freedom of movement applied.

Speaking from his home in San Benedetto on Italy’s Adriatic coast, Shindler, who was awarded an MBE in 2014 for his services to Anglo-Italian relations, told the Guardian: “We feel we should have taken part in the referendum. We can’t go back to the courts. We have been to all the courts that we can in England. So now we will go to the UN human rights commission in Geneva, asking them to declare the result of the referendum null and void. I am preparing a case now that will be with the United Nations.

“It’s contrary to [article 21 of ] the UN Declaration of Human Rights [in 1948] which says that citizens have a right to take part in the election of the government of their country. Universal suffrage is supposed to mean everybody. I’m doing this in the knowledge that I am supported by expats throughout Europe, I am in touch with people in France, Spain, Portugal and Germany.”