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Old 07-27-2015, 12:41 PM
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Looking at Billboards summer 1982 charts .

As I see .

Paul McCartney And Stevie Wonder,The Human League and Survivor clogging up the charts for weeks and months of that summer. No offense to great music from them but FM could had a chance if these artists and bands were not present on the charts at that time .

"Hold Me" got into a traffic jam for weeks at number 4.It could of been number one if the heavyweights were not in the way.

Mirage probably could sold more then 2 mill .

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Old 07-27-2015, 03:03 PM
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Probably only me, but I like "Oh Diane" in the context that Jeremy Spencer did some Buddy Holly stuff earlier on and that Lindsey reintegrated that into the Rumours version of FM. He's following a tradition.
I like "Oh Diane" and I echo PenguinHead above, it's just a very inoffensive song. Not brilliant or revolutionary by any means, but I don't think it claims to be, it's just this itty bitty bit of retro pop. Never bothered me much.

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I would love a funkier "Hold Me", it's one of those songs that I'm so close to liking, much like "Everywhere", if not for certain production choices.
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:03 PM
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Mirage is my favorite album, and it is Fleetwood Mac's most romantic album. It is conceptually well-executed, this notion that love appears abloom in the distance. But that's the clever facade of the mirage -- seeing something, usually beautiful, that isn't actually there. Nine of the 12 songs seem to revolve around this theme, so Mirage stands out as one of the band’s most cohesive albums.

On the surface of each song is a bright, carefree melody. (I think some music critics would describe this as the stereotypical SoCal soft rock sound.) But what each songwriter writes about is longing and nostalgia for love that's "slowly slippin' through your hands" ("Oh Diane"). In "Gypsy," Stevie is nostalgic for the best years of her life, when she was fearless and had nothing but love to give. But it is now a passing warm memory. Christine's always writing about love, but she's especially vulnerable and heartbreaking on this album (probably for Dennis Wilson), afraid of how she feels ("Love in Store"), out of her mind (“Only Over You”), lying in the darkness ("Wish You Were") -- simply inconsolable. And then there’s Lindsey, the most heartbroken of all, demanding for “someone from up above” (“Book of Love”) to explain why he is so lonely and unsuccessful at finding love.

I do agree with Andy that side two is inconsistent. It starts off rough with a totally random song about New York ("Empire State"). I think songwriters sometimes write these songs, hoping it will one day get picked up by the media, like in a commercial. And that would translate into mass exposure and grand royalties. It didn't work here, but Lindsey sure hit a home run with with "Holiday Road"!

"Straight Back" doesn't work for this album either. Its reggae-flavored beats and esoteric lyrics about dreams, melodies, and ivory keys are one gleaming mess. But I do love the song. It just doesn't fit conceptually with the album.

"Eyes of the World" is another random, misplaced song. Granted, it is the album’s best uptempo song, by far, and even a better song onstage. But here, it’s a lot of pleasant hoo-ha about nothing.

My only other gripe about Mirage is the editing, which is quite poor. The cut-and-paste approach is very evident on many songs, especially on “Gypsy,” “Only Over You,” and “Straight Back,” where you can clearly hear where the song was edited, probably out of Rumours-inspired fear of running over on vinyl. No bueno.

But overall, musically, Mirage runs beautifully from beginning to end. It doesn’t rock too hard or too soft, which is how love, if we should find it, should ideally play out.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:50 PM
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the conceptual theme of Mirage was reportedly a music box... the music had that sort of tinkly, plinky sound and airy feel of music played on a music box which is a brilliant concept. Not every song quite fits, but the ones that do are among the best: Gypsy, Hold Me, Can't Go Back, Wish You Were Here other Stevie songs were deemed too dark for this collection (Smile at You for example). I know there's some debate over when Make Me a Mask came into being, but to me it sounds like it fit this concept really really well.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:56 PM
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Mirage is my favorite album, and it is Fleetwood Mac's most romantic album. It is conceptually well-executed, this notion that love appears abloom in the distance. But that's the clever facade of the mirage -- seeing something, usually beautiful, that isn't actually there. Nine of the 12 songs seem to revolve around this theme, so Mirage stands out as one of the band’s most cohesive albums.

On the surface of each song is a bright, carefree melody. (I think some music critics would describe this as the stereotypical SoCal soft rock sound.) But what each songwriter writes about is longing and nostalgia for love that's "slowly slippin' through your hands" ("Oh Diane"). In "Gypsy," Stevie is nostalgic for the best years of her life, when she was fearless and had nothing but love to give. But it is now a passing warm memory. Christine's always writing about love, but she's especially vulnerable and heartbreaking on this album (probably for Dennis Wilson), afraid of how she feels ("Love in Store"), out of her mind (“Only Over You”), lying in the darkness ("Wish You Were") -- simply inconsolable. And then there’s Lindsey, the most heartbroken of all, demanding for “someone from up above” (“Book of Love”) to explain why he is so lonely and unsuccessful at finding love.

I do agree with Andy that side two is inconsistent. It starts off rough with a totally random song about New York ("Empire State"). I think songwriters sometimes write these songs, hoping it will one day get picked up by the media, like in a commercial. And that would translate into mass exposure and grand royalties. It didn't work here, but Lindsey sure hit a home run with with "Holiday Road"!

"Straight Back" doesn't work for this album either. Its reggae-flavored beats and esoteric lyrics about dreams, melodies, and ivory keys are one gleaming mess. But I do love the song. It just doesn't fit conceptually with the album.

"Eyes of the World" is another random, misplaced song. Granted, it is the album’s best uptempo song, by far, and even a better song onstage. But here, it’s a lot of pleasant hoo-ha about nothing.

My only other gripe about Mirage is the editing, which is quite poor. The cut-and-paste approach is very evident on many songs, especially on “Gypsy,” “Only Over You,” and “Straight Back,” where you can clearly hear where the song was edited, probably out of Rumours-inspired fear of running over on vinyl. No bueno.

But overall, musically, Mirage runs beautifully from beginning to end. It doesn’t rock too hard or too soft, which is how love, if we should find it, should ideally play out.
Thanks for the response. I never really viewed 'Mirage' as a thematically cohesive album, however your post has changed this! Thanks to your interpretation, Mirage has gone up even more on my 'artistic credibility' chain.

I also agree about the 'cut and paste' format. Gypsy is so much better in the original long form, as is Love In Store. One can't help but wonder if Hold Me has an extended version as well...
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Old 07-27-2015, 08:36 PM
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I don't exactly agree that "Empire State" and "Straight Back" are unconnected. I always saw "Empire State" as Lindsey's running away song, like "That's Alright" is Stevie's. New York is about as far from L.A. as you can get. And "Straight Back" is full of a kind of nostalgia, IMO, especially (obviously) "She remembers how good it can be, he remembers a melody." Like others on the album, these are both songs that have happened in the wake of some kind of watershed moment.
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I'll take my mirage anytime above tango. Musically Mirage outshines Tango on all levels.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:32 PM
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I don't exactly agree that "Empire State" and "Straight Back" are unconnected. I always saw "Empire State" as Lindsey's running away song, like "That's Alright" is Stevie's. New York is about as far from L.A. as you can get. And "Straight Back" is full of a kind of nostalgia, IMO, especially (obviously) "She remembers how good it can be, he remembers a melody." Like others on the album, these are both songs that have happened in the wake of some kind of watershed moment.
I can see "Empire State" being about a different kind of love, maybe a love for New York. But it's more about ambition, makin' it in the Big City, flying high. It's a song I could have pictured on Tusk, for its restlessness, but not so much on the laid back Mirage.

I look at "Straight Back" as Stevie forgetting why she and Lindsey wanted to became rock stars, which was fulfilling "the dream" to perform music. This is what I think all the ivory keys, melodies, and how good it can be talk is all about -- Stevie trying to turn herself around and head straight back to the sun, where all the energy is. So it's less about feeling nostalgic, but feeling inspired again to create great music again with Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac.

Just an interpretation. I can talk forever about Mirage.
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:08 PM
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I can see "Empire State" being about a different kind of love, maybe a love for New York. But it's more about ambition, makin' it in the Big City, flying high. It's a song I could have pictured on Tusk, for its restlessness, but not so much on the laid back Mirage.

I look at "Straight Back" as Stevie forgetting why she and Lindsey wanted to became rock stars, which was fulfilling "the dream" to perform music. This is what I think all the ivory keys, melodies, and how good it can be talk is all about -- Stevie trying to turn herself around and head straight back to the sun, where all the energy is. So it's less about feeling nostalgic, but feeling inspired again to create great music again with Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac.

Just an interpretation. I can talk forever about Mirage.
And I don't mind that you do. I like your insight.
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Old 07-28-2015, 12:43 AM
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Take note. When Mirage was released, it was heralded in the press as a comeback! In the concert video, Lindsey addresses the audience with something like "you probably thought we went away or something, but we are here to show you we're still doing it."

Mind you, they released Tusk in 1979 and were on the road until 1980. Subsequently, Lindsey, Steve, and Mick each released their debut solo albums. A mere two years later Mirage was recorded, released and they were on the road again.

Yet, back in those fast times, two years of inactivity was like an eternity. It also signaled the end of the band's momentum. Solo careers, stressed relationships, and various estrangements hampered any possibility for the five fireflies to continue their streak of productivity.

I'm grateful for the five albums that established the "Rumours era brand" - Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Tusk, Mirage, and Tango in the Night.
I just wish there was a little more "meat" to their recorded legacy (aside from the live/and compilation albums). That is why the last chance of one last new album (with Stevie) holds significance with me. They don't have the luxury of time now.

Side note: A shout out to the somewhat unloved/overlooked Christine song Only Over You. I love it!
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Mirage is a pop album from a band that up until this point had not been a pop band I can't listen to it all the way through There are some good songs here mostly the first 3 hit singles but a major let down after Tusk ..If I want to hear a great pop album by a band with 2 split couples Il put on one of the later albums by the greatest Pop band of all time ..ABBA.
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I LOVE Mirage and is the time in the band's history that I started to follow the band so I really like this thread. And I agree with everyone's comments. In some odd way whether we love or like the album we see the album similarly. The only thing I read that I did not agree with was that Straight Back did not sound to belong on the album. To me, Straight Back is the textbook example track of the album. Its mystical, romantic, and probably the most daring song on the album. But the harmonies, lyrics, and the way Chris and Lindsey play off each other right before the bridge IS SO CLASSIC FLEETWOOD MAC. I think Straight Back should have kicked off the second side completely or traded on side 1 where Gypsy is and put Gypsy first track side two. Lindsey still has some quirky songs so there is a bit of a Tusk hangover.
Mirage is a moment in time where things would never be the same again. Stevie's voice changed, Lindsey gets angry and leaves and the band members drift different ways for half a decade.
Long story short.....Mirage sounds like the Mac in many areas.....something rare on Tango. Tango started out as a Lindsey solo record and most of it sounds like a Lindsey solo record.

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I was inspired by this thread and listen to the album right now, for the first time in decades, probably. It is a good album, stands the test of time really good for me - I'm side-eying you, TITN.

Gypsy, played to death and terribly cut here, is still amazing.
Hold Me! Hands down the best track of the album, the harmonies are everything to this day.

I remember when Mirage came out, I quite young and had just started working as a nurse in palliative care, I was surrounded by pain and death, unprepared and devastated. It was comfort to listen to this set of songs - while I was so struggling, somewhere else people created perfection, the world was somehow balanced out by what this beautiful music meant to me back then.
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I'll take my mirage anytime above tango. Musically Mirage outshines Tango on all levels.
Agree!
I have very fond memories of this album as it was my first Fleetwood Mac album. Up to the time I bought it, I was only vaguely aware of the name of the band through ' Albatross ' and nothing more. Remember hearing 'Hold Me' being played regularly in my local bar and asked the barman who this band was. That Friday went out and bought a cassette(!) of 'Mirage' as it ,of course, contained this song.
People sometimes say they can remember the moment when hearing a particular song/album for the first time and the sensation they felt: well, playing 'Mirage' for the first time that night was such a sensation for me. I was absolutely mesmerised by the fact that there were so many wonderful songs (Oh Diane excepted, of course) and such a SOUND!!!
My 'musical life' would never be the same again - I had found my band!
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Well, with the exception of Paul McCartney, Fleetwood Mac were more of a "heavyweight" than those other artists. Human League and Survivor were very successful, but only for a short moment in time. Compared to FM, they were relative flashes-in-the-pan, commercially speaking.

As far as those acts' Hot 100 positions preventing Mirage from selling better, the charts don't really work that way. An album doesn't sell more copies because its singles happened to reach #1. Rather, what drives the album chart is simply the number of people who choose to buy the music.

On the topic at hand, Mirage was my favorite Mac album for a very long time. And on some days it still is. I like it better than the '75 white album and MUCH better than Tango. With the exception of Oh Diane and Wish You Were Here, I like every track on it.
Thanks Ken for clearing that up.My brain is rusty on the info.
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