Well That Was Rough - Page 2

reebokandlace · #16 07-21-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Juggler

What a mess.

Nobody can tell me "those were the good 'owl days." I'd take calm, cautious stage Stevie anyday over that disaster in the video above.

I am so amused by the reactions to Stevie circa late 1970's to 1980's....

Its interesting how some people today have swung to a very puritan mentality concerning drug usage. Please do not watch the Woodstock concert from 1969... You will be horrified by both the audience and the players, the very founders of the Rock music you enjoy today....what many of us view as a wonderful time in our past, you view as a trainwreck.... The pendulum constantly swings. Trust me, in 30 years you will be horrified by your grandchildren's behavior.

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Macfanforever · #17 07-21-2015, 02:43 PM

Maybe that one of the reasons why I cant get into the current artists because they have no stemina .

Performers from the 1950's up to 1980's under the influence or not can write and perform better then todays crop of artists which are under the influence of auto-tune.

Why this board all of sudden went negative with FM and its members .

I know one of the reasons why.

No new music.

Sanne2 · #18 07-21-2015, 04:23 PM

I love this performance tbh, yes it's messy but it's also 10x more interesting and less predictable than current-Stevie.

**SisterNightroad** · #19 07-21-2015, 04:30 PM

I also like it, especially the guitar solo sans Brad Jeffries's dance. To be honest she could handle it maybe even better alone.

Steviegirl · #20 07-21-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanne2

I love this performance tbh, yes it's messy but it's also 10x more interesting and less predictable than current-Stevie.

Co-sign this.

sorcerer999 · #21 07-21-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanne2

I love this performance tbh, yes it's messy but it's also 10x more interesting and less predictable than current-Stevie.

Agreed! That dance/march she does circling the stage from 4:28-5:01 - What I wouldn't give for her to do something so weird and spontaneous like that in her set these days.

wheart · #22 07-21-2015, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sorcerer999

Agreed! That dance/march she does circling the stage from 4:28-5:01 - What I wouldn't give for her to do something so weird and spontaneous like that in her set these days.

Right??!! I know she totally could still do it. Now I'm grateful for even the slightest unscripted movement..and there aren't many but they still do exist. You just have to watch for them.

AnthonyMI · #23 07-21-2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

I understand, I've come to love the Red Rocks performance even if the close-ups are re-registered and the vocals doesn't match with her mouth.
Not all the Klonopin Stand backs are bad, this personally is one of my favourite:

This was I think the BEST Stand Back, after Coke, and after Klonopin.

Frankenstein · #24 07-22-2015, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI

This was I think the BEST Stand Back, after Coke, and after Klonopin.

Agreed, I love this one.

The Juggler · #25 07-22-2015, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

Its interesting how some people today have swung to a very puritan mentality concerning drug usage. Please do not watch the Woodstock concert from 1969... You will be horrified by both the audience and the players, the very founders of the Rock music you enjoy today....what many of us view as a wonderful time in our past, you view as a trainwreck.... The pendulum constantly swings. Trust me, in 30 years you will be horrified by your grandchildren's behavior.

I'm sorry, but a bad performance is a bad performance. That performance of Stand Back was a train wreck. Now okay , maybe if I was in that front row while she ran around the stage off her head I would find it exciting and better than swaying Stevie I saw in concert 2 weeks ago.

And if was so against drugs as you seem to suggest, I wouldn't be listening to Stevie

But it's clear she has a problem in this video, and she saw it herself and got help. That's just a bad bad performance.

reebokandlace · #26 07-22-2015, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Juggler

I'm sorry, but a bad performance is a bad performance. That performance of Stand Back was a train wreck. Now okay , maybe if I was in that front row while she ran around the stage off her head I would find it exciting and better than swaying Stevie I saw in concert 2 weeks ago.

And if was so against drugs as you seem to suggest, I wouldn't be listening to Stevie

But it's clear she has a problem in this video, and she saw it herself and got help. That's just a bad bad performance.

And you have proven my point.... Those of us who partied like that did not view it as a problem (as you referred to it) or "off her head". For many of us it was a lot of fun and before it killed us it was simply time to stop and start a new chapter of our lives. But I assure you, she was having the time of her life at that moment and looks back at that time (albeit foggy & through long nets of white) as a lot of fun. She wouldn't change a thing in regards to using coke. The only thing she was sorry she ever started using was Klonopin. I agree with her, any drug a shrink gives you is a bad drug....doctors are the biggest benzodiazapine pushers in world....and only weak people take drugs like that that turn people into sheep. But that is a discussion for another topic.

Please feel free to rewrite her history in your mind any way that makes you feel better about being a fan of someone who loved doing blow with a brandy chaser....someone who smokes pot to this day on a daily basis and still enjoys her chardonnay.... And is also into some pretty mystical esoteric stuff too....

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The Juggler · #27 07-22-2015, 10:00 AM

Well when it comes down to it, she was missing cues, mixing up verses and her ad libs were all over the place. Irrelevant to whether she was having fun or not, that was a bad performance and if I attended a concert full of missing cues, messing up verses and hoarse ad libs I'd feel like I didn't get the service for my money

bombaysaffires · #28 07-22-2015, 12:07 PM

it was, technically, a bad performance. She wasn't too sure where the hell she was-- in many ways. She couldn't remember her lyrics, she couldn't articulate them properly when she did.... not good.

I think what those who enjoy it are saying is really more that it is entertaining. That's different. Despite the mistakes they found it compelling, fun, spontaneous. And that's fine if you are sitting in the audience and have paid good money and want to be entertained and see something you wouldn't see anywhere else.

For Stevie, regardless of how she chooses to paint it, it had by that time become a genuine life risk. Paul Fishkin, who was there, talks about her coming to the brink of overdosing more than once. She had days where she was totally incoherent. Tom Petty talks about basically just expecting to get the call that she was dead from an overdose. There are pics of her during that time where there is always someone standing on either side of her, holding her up. Fishkin says there were times "we had to scrape her off the floor" ... literally. Mick talks about how scary it was, she was soooo far gone and there were nights she didn't know she was onstage. I think all of that qualifies as a very bad situation indeed.

Again, for some this made for very entertaining performances to watch. I get it. But for others, and call me a prude if you like but I am one of them, such performances are mostly cringe-worthy. They aren't performances she wants to be remembered for. I totally get the point people are making that at least on coke she had a tremendous amount of energy and seemed like she was having some fun onstage versus her very static, stand-still-and-wave-my-arms performances lately. But let's also remember those shows were 30 years or so ago. She was still in her 30s; she's now in her 60s. Inevitably her onstage antics will have changed. And if she's got a foot injury and other issues (maybe with her hands/wrists, etc) then that makes her less likely to be jumping around too. I'd kill to see her do a high kick in the boots again, but it just ain't gonna happen. But I'll take her standing still over her having a manic overdose any day.

olive · #29 07-22-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI

This was I think the BEST Stand Back, after Coke, and after Klonopin.

she always "performs" for the cameras at a live gig it's never as animated any more

olive · #30 07-22-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

And you have proven my point.... Those of us who partied like that did not view it as a problem (as you referred to it) or "off her head". For many of us it was a lot of fun and before it killed us it was simply time to stop and start a new chapter of our lives. But I assure you, she was having the time of her life at that moment and looks back at that time (albeit foggy & through long nets of white) as a lot of fun. She wouldn't change a thing in regards to using come. The only thing she was sorry she ever started using was Klonopin. I agree with her, any drug a shrink gives you is a bad drug....doctors are the biggest benzodiazapine pushers in world....and only weak people take drugs like that that turn people into sheep. But that is a discussion for another topic.

Please feel free to rewrite her history in your mind any way that makes you feel better about being a fan of someone who loved doing blow with a brandy chaser....someone who smokes pot to this day on a daily basis and still enjoys her chardonnay.... And is also into some pretty mystical esoteric stuff too....

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so true god going to an Aerosmith show and wondering if Joe Perry was going to be propping Steven Tyler up and doing most of the singing , I guess it was just the time we were in and I too do not regret it or would not change what I did .