Behind Blue Denim...theories, proof?!

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Highway Woman

BLUE-GRAY EYES. What more proof do you need?!!

Yes, there are other people in the world with blue-gray eyes. But how retarded would it be for her to use that for every blue-eyed guy she dated. Come on.

Of course she's not going to say it's about Lindsey in 1994. I mean, look at the pics from his BTM tour appearance, which probably inspired this. She is huge. I love Stevie, but I'm sure she thought she would look really pathetic if she told interviewers this song was about Lindsey. I'm sure they would interpret it as "He liked me when I was hot but I saw him the other day and I looked so fat that I wanted to run and hide so he couldn't see."

BLUE-GRAY EYES. Duh.

I was just going to..Wait..WHY bother trying to open shippers' minds to a broader opinion??
lol..how silly of me..ALL Stevie's songs are about Lindsey!! DUH.



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[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Bryan

I was just going to..Wait..WHY bother trying to open shippers' minds to a broader opinion??
lol..how silly of me..ALL Stevie's songs are about Lindsey!! DUH.



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LOL - are you trying to start WWIII

BTW - is that you in the sig. pic. if so, cool artsy pic.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

LOL - are you trying to start WWIII

BTW - is that you in the sig. pic. if so, cool artsy pic.

heehee! That was a little naughty of me..I'll shut up now

And,yes that's me in the sig pic. Thanks,I do try

[amber]

Originally Posted by Bryan

I was just going to..Wait..WHY bother trying to open shippers' minds to a broader opinion??
lol..how silly of me..ALL Stevie's songs are about Lindsey!! DUH.



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I don't think it's about Lindsey, either, JFTR.

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Although I see what you are saying, I think what she says is not necessarily untrue or conflicting. For example, she said Landlside essentially was about her Dad in the sense that the changing she was thinking about was leaving the music business, where she had had maybe marginal success and taking her dad's offer. But, she chose to stay in the business. So, her father is in there somewhere and she correctly states Landslide is about her dad as well as LB who taught her to play it, was her music business then, etc. Interestingly, she never said it was just about her father though Same thing for the welfare line in SB in that although the song itself is about a larger topic, that line could be about being forced to stand in some kind of line. Thus, I conclude in general her songs have a general theme that she often does not say and many supporting themes which she says. They all exist if you will in those songs

Edit: I reread that and thought it came across as I am right and everyone else is wrong. Though that may be the case (levity) - I most certainly am not saying anyone is wrong or anything like that - I am just saying my view

You don't come across that way to me.

I agree with you especially about the multi-dimensional aspect of the songs. I think most of Stevie's songs are like that. They have different levels and different meanings. There are several correct ways to interpret her songs. I go for the direct approach in what seems obvious to me. Other people see other things. All can be true without one thing cancelling out the other. That's why I believe I can say a lot of her songs have Lindsey in there somewhere, even when he is not the topic or the main event, without also being in the camp of people who think they are still hung up on each other.

No disrespect to shippers, but I don't believe their current realtionship is anything but professional. I'm not even sure it was ever as romantic as what a lot of people think. Even though I think both have a strong presence in each other's songwriting from the beginning to the present, it doesn't translate that I think it means they're still hung up on each other in a romantic way. To me, it's more like, you write about the things that bother you or upset you. I think it's hard to argue they didn't always push each others buttons. That's as far as I take it.

[Kelly]

Oh wow..Stand Back is another one. A welfare line? A made up fight between two people? WTF? Honestly Stevie..you need to come up with something better than that. Writing lyrics like that on her wedding night says alot to me as well...it indicates where her state of mind was at the time.

As for the rest of it, I hope this doesn't turn into another shipper bashing thread. Just because people think Lindsey is intertwined in alot of Stevie's lyrics does not mean they are completely unreasonable and unable to look at other opinions logically. I feel like Stevie is in alot of Lindsey's writing as well, not nearly as much as hers, but still there. God forbid I say that on the blue board or even the Rumours board. I would just be some delusional crazy shipper. The fact is though, I think they both write about each other. What that means or why they do is another story. Most of the time people write about what inspires them, what they have deep feelings about. Those feelings could be anger, fear, pain, loss, love..whatever. It certainly doesn't mean they are carrying a torch for each other in my mind. (although CERTAIN lyrics do make me scratch my head...like Thrown Down)

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Oh wow..Stand Back is another one. A welfare line? A made up fight between two people? WTF? Honestly Stevie..you need to come up with something better than that. Writing lyrics like that on her wedding night says alot to me as well...it indicates where her state of mind was at the time.

No kidding!! "In the middle of my room, I did not hear from you..." Exactly who was she hoping would step in and tell her not to marry Kim??

Even though I, too, believe Lindsey is in MANY of her songs, I'm not convinced this is necessarily about Lindsey. There were a lot of guys in between Lindsey and Kim. And somehow to me, it just doesn't sound like a Lindsey song (don't ask me to explain that). That's just me. But it is another reason I COMPLETELY agree with this:

Originally Posted by Kelly

As for the rest of it, I hope this doesn't turn into another shipper bashing thread. Just because people think Lindsey is intertwined in alot of Stevie's lyrics does not mean they are completely unreasonable and unable to look at other opinions logically. I feel like Stevie is in alot of Lindsey's writing as well, not nearly as much as hers, but still there. God forbid I say that on the blue board or even the Rumours board. I would just be some delusional crazy shipper. The fact is though, I think they both write about each other. What that means or why they do is another story. Most of the time people write about what inspires them, what they have deep feelings about. Those feelings could be anger, fear, pain, loss, love..whatever. It certainly doesn't mean they are carrying a torch for each other in my mind. (although CERTAIN lyrics do make me scratch my head...like Thrown Down)

Thrown Down? Stevie and Lindsey for sure. She says as much. It was written during the Dance and is about Lindsey and her. Do I think they're carrying on some great torrid affair now? I go back and forth. Usually I fall just ever so slightly to the "they have definitely been back together (in 1997-98), they have been apart, and they have probably hooked up since but are not together" right now side. Tomorrow, I may think they are. I do believe both carry unbelievably strong feelings for each other with them - closure? no way - and those feelings continue to come out in their music.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I reread that and thought it came across as I am right and everyone else is wrong. Though that may be the case (levity) - I most certainly am not saying anyone is wrong or anything like that - I am just saying my view

JEEZ!!!! Where do you get off thinking you are always right and everyone else is always wrong!!????!? Man, you lawyers are all the same!!!!

[PenguinHead]

I could care less about trying to directly relate the subject matter of Stevie's lyrics with actual people or events. Her lyrics are often so oblique and subject to conjecture. I see most of her songs like dreams - full of imagery, feelings, disconnected senarios etc...nothing that really makes literal sense...but it creates a certain mood or impression.

I even think that Stevie doesn't really have a master plan when in comes to subject matter. She plays off her emotions and interweaves numerous factors/senarios and vague references into her lyrics. (She has mentioned something to this effect).
This is her folly and her genuis -- depending on your perspective.

Her songs, by her own interpretation, seem to often change meaning, depending on the Time/Space she is in at the moment. Landslide is a good example of that.

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

I could care less about trying to directly relate the subject matter of Stevie's lyrics with actual people or events. Her lyrics are often so oblique and subject to conjecture. I see most of her songs like dreams - full of imagery, feelings, disconnected senarios etc...nothing that really makes literal sense...but it creates a certain mood or impression.

I even think that Stevie doesn't really have a master plan when in comes to subject matter. She plays off her emotions and interweaves numerous factors/senarios and vague references into her lyrics. (She has mentioned something to this effect).
This is her folly and her genuis -- depending on your perspective.

Her songs, by her own interpretation, seem to often change meaning, depending on the Time/Space she is in at the moment. Landslide is a good example of that.

I agree, and it's an element I really like in her music, her songs are always open to new meanings. There are some returning patterns and subjects, but I think she uses them to symbolize a lot of things, situations, memories. IMO she also talks of precise facts, friends, lovers and likes to send very private messages every now and then, but for me, in most cases , the "you " or "he" she writes about, can mean many events and people at the same time.

Romy

[Kelly]

That is so true Lis. I am just one of those who enjoys trying to understand certain songs. But IF Beautiful Child was indeed written, way back when, about Mick, I would prefer to think she was thinking of someone else now when singing it. I definately do not want Mick in her, uh, timespace.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Highway Woman

No, all Stevie's songs are not about Lindsey. This is confusing to you still? BLUE-GRAY EYES comes from the song "Blue Denim" and also the Buckingham Nicks song "Cathouse Blues."

Must be about Jimmy Iovine.

Interstingly, I think in the BN days, La Nicks wrote a lot (see Curtis!!!!!) more about things she saw on t.v. or in real life as opposed to the LB obsession, though that certainly was there in many songs. For example, she said (in a radio interview for TOSOTM) that Crying in the Night was about a lady in a western or something like that. Similarly, Cathouse Blues sound like a honky talk ditty while watching Gunsmoke. Anyway, this was just a ramble in a thought tossing way

[Highway Woman]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interstingly, I think in the BN days, La Nicks wrote a lot (see Curtis!!!!!) more about things she saw on t.v. or in real life as opposed to the LB obsession, though that certainly was there in many songs. For example, she said (in a radio interview for TOSOTM) that Crying in the Night was about a lady in a western or something like that. Similarly, Cathouse Blues sound like a honky talk ditty while watching Gunsmoke. Anyway, this was just a ramble in a thought tossing way

lol. Maybe. So in that scenario, the high hats would be the big feather-things that the whores wore, and the new red velvet shoes some kind of kinky whorehouse footwear? That's one I hadn't heard before.

[Danigirl]

Just finished watching "Blue Denim" a film from 1959, it struck me as odd that the context of the film surrounded unplanned pregnancy and abortion, and yes in good ol' 1959 PSA style it was a bit cheesy, nonetheless, Stevie came to mind. Yes I know I enjoy reading into Stevies' very opaque lyrics, hey what can I say they incite that analytical part of me, so I may be in left field but I can't help but correlate the similar circumstances and wonder if she ever watched it? Who knows? I simply found it interesting, thought I'd divulge my thoughts somewhere!

[DauphineMarie]

Originally Posted by Danigirl

Just finished watching "Blue Denim" a film from 1959, it struck me as odd that the context of the film surrounded unplanned pregnancy and abortion, and yes in good ol' 1959 PSA style it was a bit cheesy, nonetheless, Stevie came to mind. Yes I know I enjoy reading into Stevies' very opaque lyrics, hey what can I say they incite that analytical part of me, so I may be in left field but I can't help but correlate the similar circumstances and wonder if she ever watched it? Who knows? I simply found it interesting, thought I'd divulge my thoughts somewhere!

This reminds me of a similar theme involved in the movie "Street Angel" which is a silent film about a young girl with good intentions doing illegal things to help her mother, but when she tries to run away, her past keeps coming back to her. I think this has a lot to do with the theme of Street Angel the album, and trying to escape her own troubled past.