Still think Stevie is going to do the FM album?

[David]

Originally Posted by kenzo

I haven't been moaning, but yes, I would prefer a new album over not having a new album, even if there is no new tour.

This band overtours anyway. I'd buy a new Fleetwood album but I wouldn't buy a ticket to a Fleetwood show anymore. Nicks sounds better on albums now than onstage, to my ears. I think I'd prefer hearing Chris McVie that way as well. But studio work for this band is so fraught with political melodrama that it seems unlikely to happen.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

She doesn't have to do anything and you are not God buddy. Stevie does not like to be told what to do, so your posts work against you.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hahahahaha!!!

Agreed. Bwahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

You should use this a lot more!!!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I really do wonder if they think she's the loon, that many of us do?

I think that they all think both Lindsey and Stevie are loons, but in different ways. Since Lindsey is insane musically, sometimes it actually helps them to communicate with him. Other times, it is frustrating for them, when he is focusing on one thing too long and they are ready to move on.

With Stevie, I don't think they can communicate with her very well. She's always rambling about herself and something they're not interested in. They can't relate to her musically and count on Lindsey to do that. In the limo tape, Christine asks her to just be quiet for a bit and I bet they feel that way often -- even when no cocaine is involved. Like in the Destiny Rules video when Stevie joins the guys she is telling them all about her time away and how FM was with her all the time and Mick says that what she doesn't understand is that they spent all that time trying NOT to be FM.

But Mick just had a way of gently mocking her and discounting whatever she was going on about, to cut her off. Of course, he does the same mocking thing to Lindsey in the documentary too, when Lindsey leaves and he and Ray are alone.

And Lindsey and Stevie both think the other is crazy.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think that they all think both Lindsey and Stevie are loons, but in different ways. Since Lindsey is insane musically, sometimes it actually helps them to communicate with him. Other times, it is frustrating for them, when he is focusing on one thing too long and they are ready to move on.

With Stevie, I don't think they can communicate with her very well. She's always rambling about herself and something they're not interested in. They can't relate to her musically and count on Lindsey to do that. In the limo tape, Christine asks her to just be quiet for a bit and I bet they feel that way often -- even when no cocaine is involved. Like in the Destiny Rules video when Stevie joins the guys she is telling them all about her time away and how FM was with her all the time and Mick says that what she doesn't understand is that they spent all that time trying NOT to be FM.

But Mick just had a way of gently mocking her and discounting whatever she was going on about, to cut her off. Of course, he does the same mocking thing to Lindsey in the documentary too, when Lindsey leaves and he and Ray are alone.

And Lindsey and Stevie both think the other is crazy.

Michele

This is my perception, too. I think Christine understands Lindsey better than Mick because they co-write and she just reels him in when she needs to.

I've seen both Christine, Mick and Lindsey all roll their eyes at Stevie. I've never seen someone talk about themselves more than she does.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

This is my perception, too. I think Christine understands Lindsey better than Mick because they co-write and she just reels him in when she needs to.

I've seen both Christine, Mick and Lindsey all roll their eyes at Stevie. I've never seen someone talk about themselves more than she does.

well the story told by Tom Petty in the recent RS article was rather revealing-- Christine came to him and asked him to ask Stevie to make some musical change to a song because they felt he knew her better than they did. (I'm starting to really like Tom as a credible commentator on the relationships in this band lol)

In any event, the thought occurs that both Lindsey and Chris have spent extended time away from being in the band... and certainly for Chris, being out of the 'biz' altogether for long stretches. Even Lindsey bugged out for a bit. So they each have a point of reference to life that isn't all work, all fame, all music. Stevie has never done this. Her career was a bit flat in the 90s and she was zonked out on klonopin but then she wasn't really in position to be 'living' life in quite the same way. So her whole world is built on career, career, career.

I also remember she said in an interview that Don Henley "taught" her how to be a rock star. She didn't elaborate in detail, but I've always thought this to be a bad thing. The Eagles are...well, the Eagles, with all the narcissism and jerk off rock star attitude and behavior that goes with. Not terribly long after her time with him/them she'd make comments like the infamous "we're rock stars, we're not nice" etc. It always felt like Stevie, who craves to be liked, to be popular and all that (result of her transient childhood, always having to make new friends? who knows. Lindsey seems to think so ) took this kind of 'mentoring' to heart and embraced it. I think she can be nice, thoughtful, and down to earth when she wants to be, or when it suits her purposes, but I also think she really means it/believes it when she says "I'm a ROCK STAR" and I think that's when the British 'taking the mickey' must be required in order to get things done within the band.

[michelej1]

Stevie talks about the Eagles here in a 1981 interview with Mary Turner :

"Let’s put it this way, I wasn’t the 9 year resident rock and roll star. I was new, but I had a job, I worked. Fleetwood Mac was happening. I had been singing along to the Eagles for five, ten years and then to finally actually meet all of them. I was very aware of what kind of guys they were, what they liked and what they didn’t like, who they accepted and who they didn’t accept. And I thought they were all roguish. And when I was with them I didn’t say anything about Fleetwood Mac ever. I just didn’t talk about it because it was easier if I was going to be around them to not talk about what I did because they weren’t really interested.”


"It says in the Highwayman, ‘she considers slowing down,’ but then he would never win. She purposely lets him win because it’s easier to let him win. She gets a lot further if she just lets him win. And I learned that a long time ago if I was going to be accepted as anything, as a songwriter, as a person, as anything, that I would have to be very quiet, unaggressive around them, feminine and trick them to death. And it worked. See I love them and I respect them so much, and they are, as far as I’m concerned the greatest songwriters and all I ever wanted from them was a pat on the back saying ‘not bad Stevie.' I didn’t want roses, flowers and accolades. I just wanted a word, which when Don came and sang on this album was probably the greatest compliment anyone has ever gave me because he would have never sang on that album if he didn’t think it was good.

When I was searching I found this 1994 quote from Details Magazine and it is very much where the band is today. I guess Stevie thinks they had better shut up about 24K and her solo career or else she definitely won't participate in a new album. She's keeping them treading water.

Yeah, and if the book were to come out, a lot of people would cease to think of me as this eccentric, flaky girl. My journals tell the real story of what went on, like the way things changed after Bella Donna came out. No one in the band ever said a word to me about my solo career. They were keeping quiet for their own best interests. They knew if they ripped Bella Donna apart, I wouldn't give them any more songs. Remember, "Dreams', which is just me, is the only gold single that Fleetwood Mac ever had.

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

When I was searching I found this 1994 quote from Details Magazine and it is very much where the band is today. I guess Stevie thinks they had better shut up about 24K and her solo career or else she definitely won't participate in a new album. She's keeping them treading water.
When I was searching I found this 1994 quote from Details Magazine and it is very much where the band is today. I guess Stevie thinks they had better shut up about 24K and her solo career or else she definitely won't participate in a new album. She's keeping them treading water.

Quote:
Yeah, and if the book were to come out, a lot of people would cease to think of me as this eccentric, flaky girl. My journals tell the real story of what went on, like the way things changed after Bella Donna came out. No one in the band ever said a word to me about my solo career. They were keeping quiet for their own best interests. They knew if they ripped Bella Donna apart, I wouldn't give them any more songs. Remember, "Dreams', which is just me, is the only gold single that Fleetwood Mac ever had.

someone on FB was telling me how she never omits to mention at her solo shows how she wrote band's only #1 hit. no wonder so many of her fans keep repeating this "only FM's #1 hit" like parrots.

"only gold single" somehow i suspect GYOW, Landslide or Don't Stop far outsold it by now.
"which is just me"

gotta go back to jbrownsr's hilarious made up quote when i read stuff like this!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I've seen both Christine, Mick and Lindsey all roll their eyes at Stevie. I've never seen someone talk about themselves more than she does.

I think Stevie's fans have the impression that the band discounts her because they don't appreciate her talent. I believe they do. If they kind of give her the "brush off, little sister" treatment, I think it's because they find her silly. It's not because they don't think she's a good singer, songwriter and entertainer. Even on the first album with Rhiannon, Landslide and John liking Crystal, I think they thought she was valuable. When Mick told her she was instrumental on Over My Head, I don't think he was flattering her, I think they all realized what she added to that song.

So, I don't buy that they ever underestimated her contributions to the band. They just maybe find her tedious.

She once said,

I am funny. I crack up my band constantly. I could have been a comedian if I'd really wanted to. In Fleetwood Mac, I was pretty much told to be quiet at all times. I was so intimidated because I felt like nobody wanted me to be in the band and that they only wanted Lindsey, and me along for the ride.

I mean, this makes it seem like they just wanted her to be quiet because they thought of her as a child, but maybe they wanted her to be quiet because she was probably giggling, dancing, squealing and telling them about the 3 hours she spent taking selfies the night before, getting the lighting just right and placing candles all around the bathroom until they just couldn't take it anymore.

So you have giddy Stevie and Lindsey spending hours trying to make his guitar sound like a violin and no wonder the other 3 became big time alcoholics.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by michelej1

She once said,


I mean, this makes it seem like they just wanted her to be quiet because they thought of her as a child, but maybe they wanted her to be quiet because she was probably giggling, dancing, squealing and telling them about the 3 hours she spent taking selfies the night before, getting the lighting just right and placing candles all around the bathroom until they just couldn't take it anymore.

So you have giddy Stevie and Lindsey spending hours trying to make his guitar sound like a violin and no wonder the other 3 became big time alcoholics.

Michele

My favorite Stevie being ignored moment, is in the Tusk doc outtakes. She's blathering on in the studio, trying to tell them what she wants a song to sound like, and NO ONE is listening to her. She finally spins her finger at the side of her head, motioning that they're all crazy.

But they're all working together, and all completely ignoring her.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

When I was searching I found this 1994 quote from Details Magazine and it is very much where the band is today. I guess Stevie thinks they had better shut up about 24K and her solo career or else she definitely won't participate in a new album. She's keeping them treading water.

they don't have the balls to tell her what to do. NO ONE does!!

Oh, and she gets the Presidential Suite in every hotel, "because I demand it".

This is the "teaching me how to be a rock star" sh^t I'm sure she was referring to.

[Jondalar]

It's time to accept the fact that Stevie is Fleetwood Mac. Life would be a lot easier if you all would just accept it.

[KenshiMaster16]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

It's time to accept the fact that Stevie is Fleetwood Mac. Life would be a lot easier if you all would just accept it.

This has to be, hands down, the most delusional, insane and daft comments I've seen in a while. No one invvoled with theband is bigger than Fleetwood Mac. Out of 16 members that have come and gone, no singular person is Fleetwood Mac. To even say that just shows your inane bias. And this is coming from a Stevie fan.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

It's time to accept the fact that Stevie is Fleetwood Mac. Life would be a lot easier if you all would just accept it.

NUMBER OF TOP 40 FLEETWOOD MAC SINGLES
Christine: 9
Stevie: 5
Lindsey: 3

The 2014-15 tour has been MUCH more successful than the 2013 tour. What changed? Stevie was on both, Lindsey, Mick, and John were also on both. Tickets could be found for under $50 for opening night to in 2013. Not so in 2014. Sadly, I didn't see the price of that pavilion tour where Stevie was opening for Rod Stewart to use for comparison.

But, yeah, it's all about Stevie.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by KenshiMaster16

No one invvoled with theband is bigger than Fleetwood Mac. Out of 16 members that have come and gone, no singular person is Fleetwood Mac.

The only member who, at one point in time, was bigger than the band itself was Peter Green, and that was before he lost it. Anybody who got ripped off by the Beatles did something right.