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I also am regretfully joining in with this argument, but I just need to say a woman's choice to have an abortion should always be her choice. For any reason, regardless of her circle of influence, she should not have to feel like she's making the wrong decision. Because whether or not for selfish reasons, if she feels like she has to have an abortion, nobody should stop her. Denying someone that choice, in my opinion, is as damaging as denying a child a life. Because as many of you have pointed out, the amount of drugs and things happening at that time would not have ended well for her child, and as Stevie has said, she couldn't have been around enough to be a proper mother, like she would have wanted. I think when Stevie made the decision, it was for selfish reasons, but also for the health, safety, and well-being of her child. I think she realized that if she were to bring a child into the world, both she and her child could not have lived the lives they wanted to live. And as poetic as Stevie is, her music embodies that choice; her child is the "poet in her heart", that never changes and never stops, but is now gone. It doesn't matter what for, but when he builds that house, she's ready to move on with her life, but with her unborn child, a part of it.
Regardless of personal opinion, nothing is stronger than a mum's love, and though in a perfect world no child would have to be aborted, this is not a perfect world, and choices are made that will be regretted. And choices will be made that will be cherished forever. That choice, though, is not anyone's business, nor should it ever be.
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You Yanks puzzle me. Abortion is a controversial issue in Australia, though it is nowhere near as contentious here in Sydney as it is in the USA.
Our current Prime Minister Tony Abbott when he was Minister for Health in the Howard Coalition Government, once pronounced that, "Abortion is the easy way out." That led to former Prime Minister Julia Gillard unearthing that quote and using it against him in her Misogyny Speech ...saying that she was very personally offended by that statement he made. My opinion on this is the same as that of Hillary Clinton and the Democrats in the USA, that abortion should be Safe, Legal and Rare. I have a real problem however with young men and women using the pull-out method otherwise known as coitus interruptus and then requesting morning after pills over and over again. That behaviour is irresponsible and that is not a valid method of contraception. If you do not want kids, I feel like telling these silly young women and their boyfriends - then please just take the contraceptive pill or put a condom on your prick! Oh dear... |
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Reason: Came to my senses about not getting involved in internet arguments
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Hmm, I'm guessing YOU are unhappy? (just teasing) When there is life, there is always the potential that things will get better. When there isn't, well, all the beautiful what ifs can never be. I really hesitated to weigh in on this discussion as I am no fan of confrontation, and when it comes to the anonymity of the internet, people really seem to say a lot of mean things to each other that they wouldn't ever say when having a reasoned discussion face to face. For whatever reason though, something told me to mention those organizations that can help you through those months until you can get to the point where you can pass your child to the parents who so desperately want it. So, if I gave even one person something to think about that could lead to a different outcome, then that's a good thing. Now...I think LouieLouie is right, and we should try and steer this discussion back to the original topic, which was what was going on in Stevie's life that influenced what happened. Since times have changed so much over the years, I wonder if it had happened to her now, if things would have been different. Women have been in the workforce so long that nobody is expected to have either a family or a career, but not both. She has many contemporary friends now who have shown that you can navigate that path. Oh, by the way, happy early New Year to everyone!
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The bottom line is Stevie chose to have an abortion and she had the last word. Pretty smart lady. Very responsible decision making even if her previous behavior was reckless and irresponsible. PS. This world is already overpopulated. It doesn't need more babies to carry on religious theologies. The End of Days is already here through overpopulation. |
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I didn't write a book like you did.
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I guess I don't really see what the length of the comments we made has to do with accusing me of having to have the last word by getting the last word yourself, but ok, whatever. I don't want to fight with you. I tried to steer the topic back to what the original poster wanted to talk about which was what one of the moderators suggested we do. I can't think of anything else to say on that subject at the moment apart from what I just said about the differences in the modern workforce and what that means regarding work and family, so someone else will have to step in I guess. I hope you have a nice day/night and that early happy New Year was for you too.
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My problem with Stevie if I'm allowed to have one is that she has been said to have had as many as seven abortions, and at least 'several' going by iron-clad legitimnate sources. Seven mistakes is a huge number for something like this. A misuse of abortion on that scale by someone who has he resources to do something else? That makes it bad for others, especially people still having to fight for a choice for mostly poor and far more resourceless women and victims of attack.
The would-have-been-fathers of some do seem to hold a grudge still because they were kept in the dark and/or allowed no voice, and they also had resources. As a human being I say the hell with any career in that case. It is something that has effected my enjoyment of her music at times, it might be better not to know but I do. Surely if you don't like the balance nature forces on us you could have gotten yourself surgically able to have sex without possibility of pregnancy after one or two mistakes. This is a subject like Michael Jackson's 'special misunderstood love' for children that some just will never be able to be objective about, but that can be their willfulness. You've been in trouble, so why have an amusement park on your property and be alone numerous times in your bedroom with other peoples' kids? Why not get psychological help with all your money? You've been in trouble, so why keep taking chances when you can do something to avoid it happening again and again and insisting you are the only one to 'deal' with the result of your actions when you so obviously haven't shown any success or ability before? Look where Jackson ended up, unable to sleep at night without the most powerful sedative known! His fans were no help to him in that they just propped up his facade of innocence and of fathering three children like a normal man. I'd have respected someone coming out of the closet, but now these people are just going to abuse his so-called kids to keep making money from fanatics who say dumb things about them inheriting his talent. I don't think Stevie's fans are this extreme but they don't help her in excusing any and all behavior. I feel sorry for Jackson and recognize he paid the ultimate price, and I also feel sorry for Stevie. People do need to know that an abortion is an extreme solution with major consequences well beyond legalities. There is no fair. At best it is a lesser of evils situation to be made by those with direct knowledge, and someone abusing it's availability jeopardizes it for others. |
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