There will never be a new Fleetwood Mac album

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

With all this drama .I think this band needs a reality show.I hate reality shows but I will be glued to the tube watching it.

but sadly cameras would never capture what really goes on because they won't let it happen. anyone who thinks that the Tusk or Destiny Rules docs are not very, very sanitized is naive. If you watched the Tusk doc you'd think it was all pretty hunky-dory when most of the insider accounts of what it really was like talk about the fights and the yelling and the back and forth with Stevie and Lindsey; about the incredible tension between Stevie and Mick over Sara; the coke being passed around and so on. Did you see any of that on film? A resounding NO.

Even the DR doc… very watered down. They completely and totally skimmed right over the big fights over the final running order and length of the album, where Stevie threatened not to tour more than the original 40 dates if LB got his way.... The angry words flying across the ocean like some seabirds… Totally white washed.

A *real* doc like some other bands have done would be AMAZING. (The Metallica one was riveting and I'm not really even a fan). I would be absolutely glued to every episode!

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

but sadly cameras would never capture what really goes on because they won't let it happen. anyone who thinks that the Tusk or Destiny Rules docs are not very, very sanitized is naive. If you watched the Tusk doc you'd think it was all pretty hunky-dory when most of the insider accounts of what it really was like talk about the fights and the yelling and the back and forth with Stevie and Lindsey; about the incredible tension between Stevie and Mick over Sara; the coke being passed around and so on. Did you see any of that on film? A resounding NO.

Even the DR doc… very watered down. They completely and totally skimmed right over the big fights over the final running order and length of the album, where Stevie threatened not to tour more than the original 40 dates if LB got his way.... The angry words flying across the ocean like some seabirds… Totally white washed.

A *real* doc like some other bands have done would be AMAZING. (The Metallica one was riveting and I'm not really even a fan). I would be absolutely glued to every episode!

With the recent attention that certain male celebrities have gotten over their treatment of females I think any footage or accounts of certain members "outbursts" towards a certain female in the band would cause the band large amounts of unwanted negative publicity.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

With the recent attention that certain male celebrities have gotten over their treatment of females I think any footage of a certain members "outbursts" towards a certain female in the band would cause the band large amounts of unwanted negative publicity.

Other than New Zealand and the Tango argument no one has ever indicated that there have been any "outbursts" to capture on film.

People talk about Stevie and Lindsey yelling at each other, but that's about it.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by michelej1

What the band has always done is talk to each other through the media. I don't really think they've made a point of purposefully causing controversy and drama to generate interest in their projects, from third parties.

For instance, although the Rumours soap opera garnered a lot of publicity, to say the very least, when they were promoting Tusk, they didn't pretend to be in conflict to sell Tusk. In fact, they tried to appear more unified than they actually were about Tusk, in the media.

Michele

Agreed, and during Tango.... "They were getting along better than ever..."

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by James89

Veteran acts like them don't sell 500,000 copies of a new studio album anymore. Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' new album sold about 250,000 copies and that included extra sales from concert tickets.

I thought the rules for pairing albums with concert tickets is that it had to be optional and not for free. Tom Petty's album was free with every concert ticket. Pretty sure that doesn't count for sales.But maybe the rules have changed again.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

I thought the rules for pairing albums with concert tickets is that it had to be optional and not for free. Tom Petty's album was free with every concert ticket. Pretty sure that doesn't count for sales.But maybe the rules have changed again.

I remember some of the country acts were pairing up albums with the tix.

With those inflated tix prices .They can afford to throw in an album.

[pauls90]

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

I thought the rules for pairing albums with concert tickets is that it had to be optional and not for free. Tom Petty's album was free with every concert ticket. Pretty sure that doesn't count for sales.But maybe the rules have changed again.

I think the albums Madonna gave away with the purchase of concert tickets for her last album counted towards the album's sales.

[Fannymac]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I firmly believe there will be one last album from the band. This whole process of airing dirty laundry and public insinuations is classic, classic Fleetwood Mac. These kids have been drama queens since day one. 40+ years on, they're even more stubborn due to all the years of money, fame, power, and now they're old curmudgeons on top of all that. Of course recording an album wouldn't be easy or drama free. All the same, I don't think a one of them wants to close the book on the band without one last album. If the Eagles could pull it off, so can these guys. Not just that- since the Eagles put out one final album, you know the Mac will follow suit. This is why Christine came back, after all- so the band could put a nice neat bow on their history.

Originally Posted by pauls90

I completely agree. And I'm glad someone else agrees with me on the "public insinuations". I've seen a lot people arguing that these artists would never purposefully cause controversy and drama in the media to draw up interest in their projects...but it's what they've ALWAYS done. Why is this so unbelievable to people???

TOTALLY agree with you both! There's NO WAY they're not going to put out an album with everything that's already in the can, and there's NO WAY Stevie won't participate.....it would be career suicide!
As for not doing any new songs on THIS leg of the tour.....that was never the plan. This leg was meant as a warm up, allowing everyone to get their feet wet again, so to speak!
As far as I'm concerned, the best plans for the group would be to: A) Finish the album in early 2015, B) release it by late Spring/early Summer, then tour behind it for the rest of 2015.
After that, everyone could have 2016 off to do whatever they want.
Then, in 2017, regroup for the band's 50th anniversary. Do a tour and an album featuring every living member in the band's history.....Mick and John could be on each track, with the likes of Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Billy Burnette, Danny Kirwin, Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett each handling a track, with Stevie, Christine and Lindsey taking on 1-3 each.
After 2017....it's anyone's call!

[Nick]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

I understand and appreciate you expressing your feelings, but it doesn't seem right to post your opinion as fact. "Will there ever be a new album?" would have be more appropriate.

As I've said before, a show is just a fleeting moment in time, but an album is timeless.

Exactly. I hate when people post their negative random thoughts. You don't know sh*t, so don't act like you do.

I also agree with this last part. I would rather have another album or 2 and less concerts/tours.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Nick

Exactly. I hate when people post their negative random thoughts. You don't know sh*t, so don't act like you do.

on the other hand, a "positive thought police" is just as annoying, if not more. self-righteousness is not necessarily very attractive.

people posting "negative" thoughts may be just venting their frustrations... for all we know it may be therapeutic for them.

we don't know whether this person knows something or not, so i'm not sure why we would be compelled to say they don't know sh*t.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Fannymac

As far as I'm concerned, the best plans for the group would be to: A) Finish the album in early 2015, B) release it by late Spring/early Summer, then tour behind it for the rest of 2015.
After that, everyone could have 2016 off to do whatever they want.
Then, in 2017, regroup for the band's 50th anniversary. Do a tour and an album featuring every living member in the band's history.....Mick and John could be on each track, with the likes of Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Billy Burnette, Danny Kirwin, Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett each handling a track, with Stevie, Christine and Lindsey taking on 1-3 each.
After 2017....it's anyone's call!

it's a nice plan, except they are booked solid from jan through mid-july already. and Mick just said at some m&g that they will be touring Australia some time in Nov 2015.

so the only time they have to finish the album (assuming they take aug off after working through jul) will be sept-oct 2015. i still hold a glimmer of hope that will happen, but if i'm realistic i would go with low expectations that are worded so eloquently by the title of this thread.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by elle

on the other hand, a "positive thought police" is just as annoying, if not more. self-righteousness is not necessarily very attractive.

people posting "negative" thoughts may be just venting their frustrations... for all we know it may be therapeutic for them.

we don't know whether this person knows something or not, so i'm not sure why we would be compelled to say they don't know sh*t.

"Positive thought police"? Really? I'm hoping for/expecting a new studio album from them by late 2015. If I said the new album would sell more than Taylor Swift, then I could understand what you wrote. I'm certainly being realistic.

[michelej1]

I don't think there's a problem about posting negative random thoughts. I mean, where would the fun be without those?

But it is good to have a thread title that doesn't alarm. Michele

[Nick]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think there's a problem about posting negative random thoughts. I mean, where would the fun be without those?

But it is good to have a thread title that doesn't alarm. Michele

I hear you, but at least post it as your opinion and not a fact. Misleading threads are the worst!

[secret love]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

I understand and appreciate you expressing your feelings, but it doesn't seem right to post your opinion as fact. "Will there ever be a new album?" would have be more appropriate.

The best we have to hope for is the patience to wait. In the world of Fleetwood Mac, nothing happens quickly, so our expectations are just planned disappointments.The speculation ofwhat they will do/should do scenarios can (and will) go on endlessly until the tour finally ends.

I'm happy for the legions of fans who are getting to see the group back together with Christine. But when the tour is over, all that we will have left are memories (and probably a pricey commemorative DVD/CD of one of the shows). Lindsey calls this a "profound" chapter in the band--but I call it a snap judgment and shameless move motivated by money.

As artists, I would assumed their desire to create and record a new album would overrule embarking on a huge tour, less than a year from their last tour of redundancy. This would have allowed Stevie time/space to promote her album, letting her feel less constrained by group demands, and making her more amenable to working on a new Fleetwood Mac album, which could be released and toured in the spring of next year. As I've said before, a show is just a fleeting moment in time, but an album is timeless. Which one would you prefer?

Sorry about the click-bait thread title. I'd change it but I don't know how.