Has anyone brought this up yet?

[SteveMacD]

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.ph...v2&id=1048&c=2

Goldmine, October 2, 1992

Goldmine: Would you ever consider doing some more solo work?

Christine McVie: Yes, I am, I’m definitely going to do another solo project down the line some time, But first of all I think there’s another Fleetwood Mac studio album to do, after this boxed set, some time next year. I’m not in a hurry to do the solo project. I’ve got to be ready for that. I’ve got too much domestic hoo-ha going on at the moment. I’ve got a house in England I’m restoring and I need time. I have got to have a lot of songs, and you need to be committed for a good six months to a year, to get the material together. I need to be, I hate to use that ‘92 word, focused, but that’s the word.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by tabruns

Tango suffered because Nicks' songs weren't up to par. Mac can go on with 2/3 of the songwriters....BTM was pleasant if predictable pop, SYW was less commercial guitar-heavy work, but both are decent albums. But neither is as good as albums when all 3 writers are present (TITN, Mirage, Tusk) or when all 3 writers are writing solidly (white album, Rumours).

Had Nicks been in better shape, TITN would have reached white album/Rumours level. Had McVie been her usual pop radio hooks laden self on Tusk, that album would have as well....although Tusk still rates as a classic purely because Buckingham and Nicks were both at the very peak of their abilities.

What was funny about TITN and Stevie is she had a lot better songs she could of given them but kept them instead. (Lady, Love You Enough… a whole list)

I do think that her vocals were stellar, especially on Seven Wonders and Little Lies.

TTIN, worldwide, I think is their 2nd biggest album. It had an effect on the charts worldwide, and is still one of the best selling albums in Britain. It's too bad she was going through soo many problems at the time.

[bethelblues]

Mr. Lindsey didn't offer that great a selection for Tango in the Night either. Like Stevie, he gave one hit song and a bunch of stinkers. I know early on in his career he had to work very hard on his songs, especially the lyrics. Go Your Own Way and Second Hand News were not written over night, and were worked on and revised many times over an extended time period. I wonder if he put that same commitment into some of his later songs...or if he became more focused on the sound and less on the lyrics. I mean, everyone rails on Family Man for good reason. How the heck do you come up with lyrics like that? That's a case when Stevie or someone else should've stepped in and been like, what are you doing? That's what I wish there was more of, Christine, Lindsey, Stevie writing with each other or for each other. Imagine Christine singing Say You Will...the whole song changes, maybe it's a better song. Probably a bad example since she wasn't in the band at the time. What about Stevie singing one or two of Lindsey's Tusk songs? Interesting, maybe there's a more cohesive album?

[RavenOfRhiannon]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Some quotes.

November 18th 1990 - Sun Herald

WHEN singers Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie quit supergroup Fleetwood Mac next month at the end of a US tour, it will come as no shock to fans who have followed the band’s 23-year history. McVie plans to take a brief rest from the music business and Nicks will complete a new solo album in 1991, although both singers said they would participate on Fleetwood Mac’s next album. The band has sold 50 million albums around the world.

December 6th 1990 - Los Angeles Times

Stevie Nicks had hoped to make it to Friday night at the Forum before the tears started falling. That’s when she and Christine McVie apparently will be making their last appearance as full-time members of Fleetwood Mac. Though the two are slated to contribute to the next Mac album, the Inglewood Forum concert will mark the end of an era for a group that ruled the pop charts in the late ’70s, with the two women as the public focal points.

Nicks figured that it would be Friday, during her introduction of her song “Landslide,” in which she always makes a dedication to someone at the show, before the emotions of change would really hit her. But she didn’t even make it through a recent interview. “In my heart I don’t believe it is the last show,” Nicks said through sobs while talking on the phone from Saskatoon, Canada, where the group was performing.

"I know that’s not what everybody else has said to you," Nicks said. "We are all individuals and have our opinions, and until three years go by and I see the whole thing with no chance of getting back together, I’ll never believe it’s over. I really believe everything is destined, and if we’re supposed to be together, we will be."

December 12th 1990 - Los Angeles Times

The last Fleetwood Mac concert for Christine McVie and Stevie Nicks? It was hard to tell Friday at the Forum, with the pair making what was billed as their last appearances as full-time members of the band after respective tenures of 20 and 15 years. No tears, no retirement speeches and few indications that this was more than just the end of a grueling, nine-month tour, that this was the end of an era.

But there were dramatic moments. Midway through the 2 1/2-hour show, the band left the stage eerily empty. After a brief pause, Nicks returned, escorting Lindsey Buckingham, her former musical and romantic partner who left the band two years ago and had not appeared with them on stage in eight. Nicks emotionally introduced their pre-Mac duet “Landslide,” expressing the “hope that someday he’ll find it in his heart to spend some time with me and maybe make some music.”

July 14th 1991 - Boston Sunday Globe

"I said [to Mick] if you don’t give me back my song, then I won’t write two new songs for your new record. So that’s where it stands right now … He won’t talk to me about it. I have no clue as to why he made that decision. It never stops, does it? Fleetwood Mac goes on like a miniseries. It’s one of those ‘Gone With the Wind’ things that goes on & on; & I never really know what’s going to happen. I never burn bridges, but right now I don’t think I’ll work with them."

Also in 1991:

"Right now I’m not very happy with Mick, & it’s over a pretty serious thing. He won’t give in & I feel it’s unfair, & since he’s not considering my feelings & I’ve always considered his, for the first time in my life I can actually say, ‘No, I’m not going to tour with them or work with them on this record.’ Not them, but him, because he’s done something that is unforgivable."

"I can’t believe he’s stupid enough to break this band up for a song he dumped in the garbage can. I fought like a dog to keep this band together for 15 years. I didn’t have to because I had my own solo career. I have always loved Mick, & I have always done everything I could to keep him going. It’s a pretty sad way to end Fleetwood Mac. This is going to be a shock to the rest of the band when they see the stupidity of Mick’s decision. It has nothing to do with all the other things we could have broken up over. I didn’t even get mad at him about his book. Last December, as we were wrapping up the tour, when I introduced the band, I would say ‘the fabulous Mick Fleetwood, drummer extraordinaire & best-selling author!’ I was trying to help him sell the damn book!"

VH1-1 she was asked where her relationship with Fleetwood Mac stood at that point. “It does not stand,” she said. “It [recording with the band] is not going to happen. Because the story’s already all over, so there’s no reason for me to really go into it. It all stems down to an argument between me & Mr. Fleetwood. And that’s down to the fact that he would not return to me a song that he dumped in the can 14 years ago, slapped on the back of a single & was never heard from again. And I wanted to put it on ‘Timespace’ because it belongs to my mom, & he said, ‘Over my dead body.’ And I said, ‘Well then, you just broke the camel’s back.’ So I won’t be involved anymore.”

"I told Dennis [Dunstan, Mick’s manager] what I wanted. I said, ‘I want Silver Springs because it belongs to my mother.’ … When ‘Timespace’ came around, it didn’t occur to me that they wouldn’t let me have it back. Switching back quickly to the night I called Mick a couple of months ago, & he didn’t want to return my call, I talked to his manager & said: ‘Well, you find Mick, & you tell him that if I don’t get those tapes by Monday, I am no longer a member of Fleetwood Mac.’ And he said, ‘Ok, give me until 10:30. I’ll find Mick. Don’t do anything yet.’ And I said, ‘Ok.’ And at about 10:15 Dennis called back & said that he had finally tracked Mick down. And Mick had said, ‘Over my dead body will I ever give that song back.’ And now he has ruined Fleetwood Mac’s future."

"Mick & I are having an intense argument. We’re not speaking. We haven’t spoken since the 7th of December of last year, which was our last gig at the Forum. He & I have come to a crossroads. And so, I don’t know if Mick can pull this one out of the bag. He may be able to, because Mick’s very magic sometimes, & he may be able to talk me out of it, but I don’t think so. Not this time."

"I would definitely have worked on the next record that they’re gonna do, which is gonna be a big, BIG, like, conglomeration of songs from, you know, 30 years ago all the way up until now, & some new ones. And I said, ‘Of course I’ll do that. Whatever.’ Because I’m a very soft touch. They all know it … And when I say ‘they’ that’s not very fair, because they have nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with me & Mick. WE are having the argument, not Fleetwood Mac & I. … How he’s gonna get out of this, I don’t know. Because, obviously, ‘Timespace’ is already out, & ‘Silver Springs’ isn’t on it."

And for good measure...

23rd April 1992 - Billboard

"A few years ago," says Lindsey, "Stevie and I bought back the rights to the ‘Buckingham Nicks’ album" - whose assistant engineer was Richard Dashut, still Lindsey’s best friend and co-producer. "That record has become one of the most requested albums not yet on CD, and we may put it out around the same time as a Fleetwood Mac boxed set that’s planned for Christmas. Incidentally, Stevie and I have agreed to go into the studio in a week or so to contribute some new stuff to the boxed set."

17th July 1994 - The Boston Herald

"It was very hard to leave [Fleetwood Mac]. I just couldn't leave them after Lindsey left [in 1987]. I couldn't do that to-- them. I just couldn't. But after Lindsey came and played the inaguration with us, I realized I could never deal with Fleetwood Mac again unless it would be the five of us. And it never will be that way again. So I decided my part in that particular Shakespearean drama is over."

Thanks for this recap. I've always found this time period in the band very interesting. What I have yet to find is any 'Official' announcement of Christine and Stevie leaving the touring aspect of the band, or any 'Official' announcement of Stevie's eventual departure. It's all been brought up anectdocally in articles about other things. Was there a press release? An announcement? How was this information communicated from the band to the rest of the world? (Maybe it will be clarified in Mick's book)

[wetcamelfood]

Originally Posted by RavenOfRhiannon

Thanks for this recap. I've always found this time period in the band very interesting. What I have yet to find is any 'Official' announcement of Christine and Stevie leaving the touring aspect of the band, or any 'Official' announcement of Stevie's eventual departure. It's all been brought up anectdocally in articles about other things. Was there a press release? An announcement? How was this information communicated from the band to the rest of the world? (Maybe it will be clarified in Mick's book)

First heard it on the radio on the way to work in the morning then on MTV News that night. September 5th 1990 I think it was.

I hope so but I get the feeling the version of the story we get about this (and the Time period) in this book (if any) will be much different to the story we would've gotten about that time if he released it in say, 1996.

John

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by wetcamelfood

First heard it on the radio on the way to work in the morning then on MTV News that night. September 5th 1990 I think it was.

I saw it on Entertainment Tonight.

I hope so but I get the feeling the version of the story we get about this (and the Time period) in this book (if any) will be much different to the story we would've gotten about that time if he released it in say, 1996.

It'll probably be glossed over.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by bethelblues

Mr. Lindsey didn't offer that great a selection for Tango in the Night either. Like Stevie, he gave one hit song and a bunch of stinkers.

Each to their own...
...but Tango In The Night the song- a stinker? Not by a long way in my book.
...Caroline- a stinker? No way.
...Mystified- a lovely, tender little song.

Family Man- I can see why people dislike it.
You and I Part 2- pretty lightweight (but quite inoffensive really).

Tango In The Night was a storming album for Lindsey overall.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by bethelblues

Mr. Lindsey didn't offer that great a selection for Tango in the Night either. Like Stevie, he gave one hit song and a bunch of stinkers. I know early on in his career he had to work very hard on his songs, especially the lyrics. Go Your Own Way and Second Hand News were not written over night, and were worked on and revised many times over an extended time period. I wonder if he put that same commitment into some of his later songs...or if he became more focused on the sound and less on the lyrics. I mean, everyone rails on Family Man for good reason. How the heck do you come up with lyrics like that? That's a case when Stevie or someone else should've stepped in and been like, what are you doing? That's what I wish there was more of, Christine, Lindsey, Stevie writing with each other or for each other. Imagine Christine singing Say You Will...the whole song changes, maybe it's a better song. Probably a bad example since she wasn't in the band at the time. What about Stevie singing one or two of Lindsey's Tusk songs? Interesting, maybe there's a more cohesive album?

Lindsey's work on TITN was stellar and the song TITN was one of the cuts off the album.

[bethelblues]

I don't think Caroline is that special. It's not any better or any worse than Stevie's songs...just unexceptional. I see Mystified as more of a Christine song. You and I Pt. 2 kind of fits the cliche of island music. Tango in the Night is good, but it's not Big Love good. Maybe I'd like it more if it was updated and played again? Have fans asked Lindsey for it? It sounds very dated, with a very heavy synth presence, good atmosphere and clearly some production value. But the guitar solo is great and maybe one of his most extended on a FM studio recording. Anyway, I was just responding about the TITN songs and the comment that Stevie was the only one not up to par. Clearly, Christine brought it and Stevie and Lindsey each had one hit apiece. I wish Stevie didn't have a solo career and some of her songs were done Mac style...they would be so much better. And like I said before that they occasionally wrote for each other.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by bethelblues

Clearly, Christine brought it and Stevie and Lindsey each had one hit apiece.

His songs really weren't stinkers.
Seven Wonders is a great song but its not a Stevie Nicks song and it can only just be described as a hit. If Seven Wonders was a hit then Family Man wasn't that far behind.

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Each to their own...
...but Tango In The Night the song- a stinker? Not by a long way in my book.
...Caroline- a stinker? No way.
...Mystified- a lovely, tender little song.

Family Man- I can see why people dislike it.
You and I Part 2- pretty lightweight (but quite inoffensive really).

Tango In The Night was a storming album for Lindsey overall.

Agreed. I like all of these songs. "Mystified" and "You and I Part 2" are both co-writes with Christine, as is "Isn't It Midnight".

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

His songs really weren't stinkers.
Seven Wonders is a great song but its not a Stevie Nicks song and it can only just be described as a hit. If Seven Wonders was a hit then Family Man wasn't that far behind.

In the UK "Family Man" charted 2 spots higher, neither all that high. In the US "Seven Wonders" made it into the top 20 while "Family Man" peaked at 90. I would rather listen to "Family Man" myself though neither among my favorites on the album.

[bethelblues]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

His songs really weren't stinkers.
Seven Wonders is a great song but its not a Stevie Nicks song and it can only just be described as a hit. If Seven Wonders was a hit then Family Man wasn't that far behind.

Not a Stevie Nicks song? But she has a writing credit and contributed "Tara" or "Era" or whatever it is, a hugely vital addition.

[Wdm6789]

Is anyone surprised that Christine's return is this huge of a deal?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Wdm6789

Is anyone surprised that Christine's return is this huge of a deal?

I am not. I like the way the casual fan realizes it too. The band acknowledging that it's her return helps.

In the past, it seems to me that the casual fan didn't even really know she was gone.

Michele