Say You Will faves...Now and Then

[FuzzyPlum]

Apologies for digging out this old thread.
I've been listening to Say You Will a lot in the car over the past week. I never really rated this album much and it's probably my least played FM album (vying with Time). However, I think I've got a new appreciation for a lot of the tracks. I always thought Lindsey's were pretty good but I always thought Stevie's were weak. However, I'm now thinking some of her songs on that album would be real barnstormers live. Never thought much of Running Through The Garden. However, with the fuss over the removal of Stand Back I could really see this as a great replacement. I can envisage it as a big production number- its brilliant. Also, I think Everybody Finds Out is also a great one that I probably took for granted. Again, I can see it going really well live. I don't think either of those were played on the Say You Will tour. Has Stevie ever played them as part of her solo performances. If so, can anyone tell me how they went down?

[BlueLight]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Apologies for digging out this old thread.
I've been listening to Say You Will a lot in the car over the past week. I never really rated this album much and it's probably my least played FM album (vying with Time). However, I think I've got a new appreciation for a lot of the tracks. I always thought Lindsey's were pretty good but I always thought Stevie's were weak. However, I'm now thinking some of her songs on that album would be real barnstormers live. Never thought much of Running Through The Garden. However, with the fuss over the removal of Stand Back I could really see this as a great replacement. I can envisage it as a big production number- its brilliant. Also, I think Everybody Finds Out is also a great one that I probably took for granted. Again, I can see it going really well live. I don't think either of those were played on the Say You Will tour. Has Stevie ever played them as part of her solo performances. If so, can anyone tell me how they went down?

Stevie did RTTG during the first few shows of the STW tour, and it sounded amazing - no clue why she dropped it.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by BlueLight

Stevie did RTTG during the first few shows of the STW tour, and it sounded amazing - no clue why she dropped it.

Just the first show in Columbus. It was dropped at the second show, never to be heard from again! Destiny Rules lasted a bit longer but it too was eventually removed rather early in that tour.

[Macfan4life]

Everybody finds out was my favorite then and now. The lyrics are incredible but the music is a symphony with so much going on. The music builds and builds and then explodes when everybody finds out. It should have been the first single from the album.

[sorcerer999]

My favorites NOW (because I really can't remember my favorites THEN) are

Running Thru The Garden
Steal Your Heart Away
Say Goodbye
Illume

...and I go back and forth (don't ask me why) on enjoying "Smile At You" and "Goodbye Baby". I think I just have to be in the right "mood" for those two.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Everybody finds out was my favorite then and now. The lyrics are incredible but the music is a symphony with so much going on. The music builds and builds and then explodes when everybody finds out. It should have been the first single from the album.

Couldn't agree more - it's a great song and would've been a great first single and live cut.

[sorcerer999]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Everybody finds out was my favorite then and now. The lyrics are incredible but the music is a symphony with so much going on. The music builds and builds and then explodes when everybody finds out. It should have been the first single from the album.

EFO is a GREAT song, musically! I love that "symphony synth build" at the end that takes it out...

...unfortunately, this song is always marred (in my humble opinion) by a really crappy vocal performance from Stevie.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by jmn3

Just the first show in Columbus. It was dropped at the second show, never to be heard from again!

That's a shame. I can't envisage a situation where it would be played again- its opportunity came and went I guess. I could see it being a big, ballsy, brash, bombastic number- its maybe what she could do with at the moment.
Thrown Down is another that missed its chance, though I'm not sure it would have been quite heavyweight enough to go down well in a FM show.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by jmn3

Just the first show in Columbus. It was dropped at the second show, never to be heard from again! Destiny Rules lasted a bit longer but it too was eventually removed rather early in that tour.

For those curious:

Running Through The Garden



Destiny Rules



And here.

[secret love]

Maybe Stevie dropped two of her new songs to piss Lindsey off...We know how she goes on about Say You Will being such an unhappy tour and we know how much she has laid waste to that album after she finished helping to promote it.

I've heard that the song Say You Will was written for Christine's benefit. Any truth to that?

Now, unfortunately I didn't really know much about Say You Will when it was first released. I was ten years old and busy listening to Pink's Try This and digging her cursing in God is a DJ among other songs.

I think I first heard Say You Will in 2012, though I'm not sure.

I remember really liking Thrown Down, Steal Your Heart Away, finding Illume a bore, liking Come but finding it over-long. I also liked Peacekeeper, What's the World Coming To, Destiny Rules and Running Through the Garden and thought that Miranda was weird but still okay. Regarding Destiny Rules, a family member liked it better when I was singing it than when I played Stevie's rendition...she said that I could sell the lyrics before I explained it was already a recorded and released song. I do write my own song lyrics though.

Now I love Everybody Finds Out, when before I found it repetitive. I appreciate Lindsey's songs more, Say Goodbye for example after some great live performances and also Red Rover. I think that Silver Girl is a catchy tune riddled with clichés but I guess so many hit songs are full of lyrical clichés these days, so that's not very unusual. Not Make Believe is also one of favourite recent Fleetwood Mac songs.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by secret love

I've heard that the song Say You Will was written for Christine's benefit. Any truth to that?

Not particularly, no. It's pretty much one of her 'I saw a movie and it reminded me of Lindsey' songs, lol.

“Everybody’s experienced it - when you like somebody, it makes you a different person. It changes you and it changes you in a minute. But that song is not just about Lindsey.

It’s about a movie I saw about Arturo Sandoval, the trumpet player. I loved this movie, and I just loved the way that through all the pain and separation, they managed to do music and stay happy and keep love alive, and dancing and rhythm and music, how healing it was. That was really my inspiration for that song.

The chorus was written first, then I went back to write the verses. It was initially inspired by that movie. But then once you get part of the poem down, you can’t always write all of it about what inspired it initially. You have to go back. You have this great chorus that basically says, “If you dance with me, you won’t be mad at me anymore. We can be in a huge argument, but if we put on some music and start to dance, everything will be great.” Then I had to think about what to make the verses about.

So I went back over all my relationships with people and thought of different ways that I have felt when I wanted basically to burst into song and sing that chorus (laughs). Give me one more chance. That’s what came out of it. It’s funny because, we just did an interview the day before yesterday, and I don’t think any of the band knows that that was the reason I wrote the song.”

MY favourite thing about the lyrics, however, is how ridiculously similar they are to some of Lindsey's...

DOWN ON RODEO

We never took quite enough chances
We never had quite enough time
I did about a thousand dances
But nothing would change your mind

SAY YOU WILL

Say you will, say you will give me one more chance
At least give me time to change your mind
That always seems to heal the wounds, if I can
Get you to dance

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

For those curious:

Running Through The Garden



Destiny Rules



And here.

Thank you.
RTTG doesn't quite have the intensity I think it could have. However, it's still good and there didn't really seem to be a reason to have cut it. There's real lack of interaction between them though. Indeed they remain pretty much static throughout which is a shame- there was a lot of scope for stomping around general dramatics.

[moon]

I think my vision is the same. I like Murrow and Come, but I think the live versions are really better. Better and better. Maybe the same for Bleed to love Her, and Say Goodbye. It's ok, but the Soundstage one was and is simply the best.

For the rest...my favs were always WTWCT, Illume, SYHA, and Destiny Rules. The rest are ok, but are not favs of mine. I mean, they won't be in a list of my favourite FM songs from all time.
Regards!
Mark.

[TheWILDheart]

I always think of SYW as 2 solo albums shoved together. Whenever I play it, I play Stevie and Lindsey's songs seperately. I've added a few tracks in to the Stevie playlist too that seem to fit quite well (TISL version of "My Heart", "If You Ever Did Believe" and her solo version of "Crystal").

Favourite Stevie tracks: "Everbody Finds Out" and "Destiny Rules"
Favourite Lindsey tracks: "Miranda" and "Bleed To Love Her"

Least favourite Stevie track: "Say You Will" (although I still love it )
Least favourite Lindsey track: "Murrow Turning Over In His Grave" or possibly "Red Rover".

[elle]

the only song that i've heard from SYW when it first came out was Peacekeeper, because it was pretty constantly on the radio station i listened to. i liked it.

now my opinion is that album that has such amazing songs as Murrow, Bleed To Love Her, and Red Rover, among some others, has to be epic... however non-cohesive it may be, and however many songs that i just can't stand it may contain.

of course, i still think that had the original GOS came out as intended, it would have been miles and eons better album than SYW. although quite possibly less people would have heard it; hard to tell.