Help w/ Herb Worthington Photos ?

mercvaporphoto · #1 09-22-2014, 01:13 AM

Hello folks.

My name is Mike. I'm a bookseller in Southern California and we recently acquired a portion of Herb Worthington's photographic effects from his Estate.

Among his things are some amazing photos, a couple of which we'd like some help with. We've posted them below. The photos are watermarked to preserve the commercial viability of the images as was suggested by Ledge admin.

1) The first photo is a 16 x 20 outtake print from the shoot for the 'White Album'. It shows Mick and John in the familiar setup except Mick is not drinking from a glass, he's smiling and looking forward. We haven't been able to find this image anywhere online. Has anyone seen it elsewhere ? We could find no other outtakes for the 'White Album' like we can for 'Rumours' and others.

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2) This second photo is an 11 x 14 print of the entire post Buckingham / Nicks FM but what makes this photo interesting amongst the 100's of other FM group shots is this one is stamped on the reverse 'Herbert W. Worthington Photographist Feb 11 1975'. Since Lindsey & Stevie joined the band only 43 days prior (New Years Eve 74'), could this possibly be the earliest photo of the band as we know them today ? I'm attempting to prove myself wrong, but haven't been able to find another photo documented or proved to pre-date this image for these 5 members. Is there anything else about the image (hair, clothes, that suggests this image is later than 2/1975 ? Please think hard about EARLY FM images you've seen in books, online or elsewhere.

Thanks for any help you guys can provide. We have several more interesting photos we may post, but these are the first that have us scratching our heads a bit.

Mike -

sleepless child · #2 09-22-2014, 06:47 AM

Wow! this is pretty amazing.

Sanne2 · #3 09-22-2014, 09:56 AM

There are a few outtakes from the white album, they were actually printed in the booklet of the 2004 remastered re-issue of the 1975 album, you can see 4 of the scans on my blog here: http://goldduststevie.tumblr.com/pos...-outtakes-1975

And I do believe the second photo is part of the first photoshoot of the then new line-up of the band, that's the only photoshoot where Stevie's hair is still curly. There are several similar shots published, like these: http://goldduststevie.tumblr.com/post/72753689238#notes, http://goldduststevie.tumblr.com/post/38802824710#notes and WB Records used one of the shots for a promotional poster: http://imgur.com/XwDAqUb
I would love to see some other pics from Herbie's estate!

mercvaporphoto · #4 09-22-2014, 02:04 PM

Wow Sanne2....Thanks!

I knew asking here would yield answers. You guys are truly 'encyclopedic' w/ respect to FM!

Thanks for the sources on those shots. We couldn't find them anywhere.

I'll post a few more nuggets we were fortunate to get. We're a bit unclear on dates for these, except for the large contact sheet which I think appeared on the 'Rumours' album.

1) A whispy, filtered 'glamour shot' type image of Lindsey and Stevie. (11x 14) Why this was made is beyond me. It has romantic overtones, and doesn't seem likely. Not sure what Herbie was going for here ???

2) Here's a candid shot of Mick and ??? holding a pencil.

3) A nice 16 x 20 of the group I've seen before, just not sure where. A very nice shot with all in good spirits.

4) A contact sheet from that shot that I've seen a billion times, but don't know where it was taken. It looks like backstage on tour somewhere. It's interesting to see the progression of people coming in and out of the shot. Herbie just stood there and kept shooting. (we're furiously looking for the negatives that made this contact sheet)

5) This is the large (16 x 20 ) contact sheet of the group in a candid situation that I believe ended up on the Rumors album.

louielouie2000 · #5 09-22-2014, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mercvaporphoto

1) A whispy, filtered 'glamour shot' type image of Lindsey and Stevie. (11x 14) Why this was made is beyond me. It has romantic overtones, and doesn't seem likely. Not sure what Herbie was going for here ???

That actually appears to be Carol Ann Harris- Lindsey's girlfriend after Stevie. She met Lindsey while the band was recording Rumours, and she appears in liner photos for both Rumours & Tusk. She wrote a book about her time spent around the band several years back. I can't remember if this particular picture is in her book or not.

louielouie2000 · #6 09-22-2014, 02:27 PM

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2) Here's a candid shot of Mick and ??? holding a pencil.

This is Jenny Boyd Fleetwood, one of Mick's wives. She's Patty Boyd's sister- the British model whose affair with Eric Clapton while dating George Harrison is chronicled in the Derek & The Dominoes song Layla. Jenny Fleetwood also published her own book.

Sanne2 · #7 09-22-2014, 02:30 PM

I'm so glad I can help! And I love to see these rare pics!
1) This is not Stevie! It's Lindsey's girlfriend at the time, Carol Ann Harris (they do look alike), so that explains the romantic overtones. Lindsey and Carol dated from 1976 untill 1983 but based on Lindsey's facial hair I would say this photo is from 1976 or 1977.

2) the girl with Mick is his wife at-the-time Jenny Boyd (model and sister of Patti Boyd, famous wife of George Harrison and later Eric Clapton). I think the photo is from 1976 or thereabouts. I have a screencap of this photo (http://goldduststevie.tumblr.com/pos...nny-boyd#notes) so it was probably used in some documentary, I can't remember which one, maybe Fleetwood Mac: Behind The Music or The Mick Fleetwood Story?

3) this is from that same photoshoot from February 1975, it is used for the 2004 re-issue of the 1975 album and has since been published in several magazines.

4) indeed some variations of a shot that's been used a million times (2nd row, far left on the contact sheet). It's backstage during the 1976 tour and the tall blonde guy that can bee seen in a couple of the frames is John Courage, their tour manager.

5) yes, these shots ended up on the back of the Rumours album.

louielouie2000 · #8 09-22-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mercvaporphoto

5) This is the large (16 x 20 ) contact sheet of the group in a candid situation that I believe ended up on the Rumors album.

If you watch The Making Of Rumours documentary from 1998, Herbert states these particular procession of pictures held the most meaning to him. He felt they captured a candid & unscripted moment of love between the band. These pictures are on the back of the Rumours album.

HelloMonster · #9 09-22-2014, 04:18 PM

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How does his hair smell, Carol Ann? Not that I blame her, but isn't that Lindsey's thing?

Danigirl · #10 09-22-2014, 04:19 PM

http://bigozine3.com/rarities/?m=200710
Same shoot?

mercvaporphoto · #11 09-22-2014, 09:03 PM

Thanks again LouieLouie2000 and Sanne2 for the info....Much appreciated !

Here are some more items from Worthington's Estate....

1) A couple of studio shots of Christine McVie....

2) This looks like Lindsey & Christine.....(Christine has on the same sweater as the solo shots)

3) And....THE BEST THING WE'VE SEEN SO FAR....I was literally speechless when I first saw these....ORIGINAL 4 x 5 CHROME SLIDES FROM THE RUMOURS COVER SHOT SESSION!!

We are trying to determine how many shots were taken during this Rumours session. We currently estimate about 20 -22 shots based on known outtakes. If someone has a different notion, please chime in. We have a copy of Caillat's 'Making Rumours' and it doesn't mention how many shots Herbie took in November 76'.... We welcome any educated guesses....

Also, if anyone has any inside knowledge as to the whereabouts of the ACTUAL COVER slide chrome (some might refer to it as a 'negative') please let us know. We suspect either Warner Bros has it or perhaps one of the band members? We haven't yet found it among Worthington's effects and frankly, don't expect to.

michelej1 · #12 09-22-2014, 11:31 PM

Christine looks lovely in that top photo.

Michele

Sanne2 · #13 09-23-2014, 04:57 AM

The Christine photos are beautiful! I don't recognize them, I don't think they were published anywhere or any other photo where she's wearing that white sweater. Based on her hair I think they were from before Rumours was released, so '75 or '76.

There are a lot of Rumours outtakes floating around, many have been published in some form or showed up at auctions. I have a folder with currently 57 different photos from that shoot: http://i.imgur.com/DsyAmjH.jpg but I've never seen an auction for the actual negatives.

mercvaporphoto · #14 09-23-2014, 12:02 PM

Thanks Sanne.....

I suppose you'll be (or have been) the 'official' reference for 'Rumours' session shots!

So in sum, there appear to be at least 58 poses from that session (57 in your reference + the ACTUAL cover shot).

The cover of the 2012 'Making Rumours' book is the reverse of 22-10.

My 4x5 chromes are 22-01, 22-02, 22-18, & 22-51.

Those of us with Rumours prints or negatives will (or certainly should) use your numbers to refer to images henceforth. I will suggest to the 2 other folks with Worthington images to do the same w/ their prints should they sell or display them online. I hope this is ok with you ??

You're a gem for pulling these together and organizing them !

Sanne2 · #15 09-23-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mercvaporphoto

Thanks Sanne.....

I suppose you'll be (or have been) the 'official' reference for 'Rumours' session shots!

So in sum, there appear to be at least 58 poses from that session (57 in your reference + the ACTUAL cover shot).

The cover of the 2012 'Making Rumours' book is the reverse of 22-10.

My 4x5 chromes are 22-01, 22-02, 22-18, & 22-51.

Those of us with Rumours prints or negatives will (or certainly should) use your numbers to refer to images henceforth. I will suggest to the 2 other folks with Worthington images to do the same w/ their prints should they sell or display them online. I hope this is ok with you ??

You're a gem for pulling these together and organizing them !

Sure, it's okay with me and I'm just glad I can help! And I'm so honored to be called an "official photo reference", lol I just wish I could put that on my resume haha!